The Feds got one right (Not)

[Old Iron Crotch]

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NEW ORLEANS - A federal judge says Tangipahoa Parish public schools must stop in-school Bible giveaways to students.

"Distribution of Bibles is a religious activity without a secular purpose" and amounts to school board promotion of Christianity, U.S. District Judge Carl J. Barbier ruled.

As requested by both sides, Barbier made a summary judgment based only on the written briefs - something judges may do only if the law is absolutely clear.

But attorney Christopher M. Moody said he thinks the Tangipahoa Parish School Board is likely to ask the 5th U.S. Court of Appeal to overturn Barbier's decision, though he hadn't yet consulted with the board. "We think there's a very good chance" of a reversal, he said.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana filed the suit for an anonymous family whose daughter said she felt pressured into taking a Bible even though she doesn't believe in God. The girl was called Jane Roe and her father John Roe out of fear of retaliation by schoolmates and neighbors, the ACLU has said.

"Jane Roe states that she accepted the Bible because if she did not, her classmates would have 'picked on' her," Barbier wrote. "She feared they would call her 'devil worshipper.'"

Marjorie R. Esman, executive director of the ACLU chapter, said, "A child shouldn't have to choose between her family's beliefs and the wishes of school administrators."

[Nobar King]

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Didn't taking the bible make the student feel more comfortable around her peers? She's afraid that some kids are going to tease her for loving satan? I think she has more to worry about than them.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Christians in that parish love her enough to give her a copy of God's Word, and she shows her gratitude by persecuting them. Christ-haters should figure out what to do with the special privileges that they already have before demanding that an unelected liberal activist judge grant them new ones.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Didn't taking the bible make the student feel more comfortable around her peers? She's afraid that some kids are going to tease her for loving satan? I think she has more to worry about than them.

Taking it didn't make her feel comfortable - it just made her less likely to be teased for not being Christian.
There is no good reason for Bibles to be handed out at public schools. Religion is not part of the curriculum. Teach your kids your religion at home.
I was brought up Christian, and every December, the Gideons would come to our school and hand out pocket-sized New Testaments. Even when I was a Christian, I thought this was inappropriate.
And while taking one may be "voluntary," I know that at the school I went to, students were "strongly encouraged" by adults to take one, whether they wanted it or not.

[Nobar King]

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There is no good reason for Bibles to be handed out at public schools.

Here you go with your gross generalizations again. Let's enumerate some reasons where it might be good to hand out bibles in public schools:

• Family can't afford a bible.
• Student doing report on 10 commandments.
• Students studying historical figures like Jesus or Salomon.
• Literature class.
• History class.

This is getting boring. Someone else can add some more.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Here you go with your gross generalizations again. Let's enumerate some reasons where it might be good to hand out bibles in public schools:

• Family can't afford a bible.
• Student doing report on 10 commandments.
• Students studying historical figures like Jesus or Salomon.
• Literature class.
• History class.

This is getting boring. Someone else can add some more.

Good list, Brother King, but I'd add science class, too.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Here you go with your gross generalizations again. Let's enumerate some reasons where it might be good to hand out bibles in public schools:

• Family can't afford a bible.

Public libraries have copies - you cna check one out and it doesn't cost anything.

• Student doing report on 10 commandments.

Wht would a student in a secular school be doing a report on the 10 Commandments?

• Students studying historical figures like Jesus or Salomon.

Again, why would students in a secular school be doing reports on characters from the Bible?

• Literature class.

The Bible is seldom taught as literature in public schools, and if it were, the school would provide copies in class of the specific texts the students were studying, not hand out Bibles to the whole student body.

• History class.

The Bible is not an accurate source for a history class.
This is getting boring. Someone else can add some more.

Give it a shot.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Good list, Brother King, but I'd add science class, too.

You have GOT to be joking!

[WickedWitch]

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http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/D....aspx?id=77640

NEW ORLEANS - A federal judge says Tangipahoa Parish public schools must stop in-school Bible giveaways to students.

"Distribution of Bibles is a religious activity without a secular purpose" and amounts to school board promotion of Christianity, U.S. District Judge Carl J. Barbier ruled.

As requested by both sides, Barbier made a summary judgment based only on the written briefs - something judges may do only if the law is absolutely clear.

But attorney Christopher M. Moody said he thinks the Tangipahoa Parish School Board is likely to ask the 5th U.S. Court of Appeal to overturn Barbier's decision, though he hadn't yet consulted with the board. "We think there's a very good chance" of a reversal, he said.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana filed the suit for an anonymous family whose daughter said she felt pressured into taking a Bible even though she doesn't believe in God. The girl was called Jane Roe and her father John Roe out of fear of retaliation by schoolmates and neighbors, the ACLU has said.

"Jane Roe states that she accepted the Bible because if she did not, her classmates would have 'picked on' her," Barbier wrote. "She feared they would call her 'devil worshipper.'"

Marjorie R. Esman, executive director of the ACLU chapter, said, "A child shouldn't have to choose between her family's beliefs and the wishes of school administrators."

Poor kid. Why, oh why do the Christians have to stick their noses where they don't belong?

Here you go with your gross generalizations again. Let's enumerate some reasons where it might be good to hand out bibles in public schools:

• Family can't afford a bible.
• Student doing report on 10 commandments.
• Students studying historical figures like Jesus or Salomon.
• Literature class.
• History class.

This is getting boring. Someone else can add some more.

I thought you Baptists didn't believe in the 10 Commandments? I'm pretty sure I recall someone saying that the Catholics made those Commandments up. What gives?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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You have GOT to be joking!

I have? We have a whole forum on Creation (i.e., real) science.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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I have? We have a whole forum on Creation (i.e., real) science.

Creation science is not real science. Creation science is religion, nothing more.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I thought you Baptists didn't believe in the 10 Commandments? I'm pretty sure I recall someone saying that the Catholics made those Commandments up. What gives?

The 10 Commandments are in the Bible (Exodus chapters 20 and 34; Deuteronomy chapter 5). The papists twisted the 10 Commandments by merging the 1st and 2nd Commandments (so that people would overlook that little bit about idolatry) and splitting the 10th Commandment so that there would still be 10. Nice try, Romanists, but we Biblically literate people see through your little ruse.

[WickedWitch]

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Creation science is not real science. Creation science is religion, nothing more.

Hear, hear!

The 10 Commandments are in the Bible (Exodus chapters 20 and 34; Deuteronomy chapter 5). The papists twisted the 10 Commandments by merging the 1st and 2nd Commandments (so that people would overlook that little bit about idolatry) and splitting the 10th Commandment so that there would still be 10. Nice try, Romanists, but we Biblically literate people see through your little ruse.

Oooh, okay. I was a tad confused for a minute, there; thank you for clearing that up.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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This is not the first time that this Godly parish has been savaged by the atheists of ACLU

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

TANGIPAHOA PARISH BOARD OF EDUCATION et al. v. HERB FREILER et al.

On April 19, 1994, the Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, Board of Education (Board) passed the following resolution:
“Whenever, in classes of elementary or high school, the scientific theory of evolution is to be presented, whether from textbook, workbook, pamphlet, other written material, or oral presentation the following statement shall be quoted immediately before the unit of study begins as a disclaimer from endorsement of such theory.


“It is hereby recognized by the Tangipahoa Parish Board of Education, that the lesson to be presented, regarding the origin of life and matter, is known as the Scientific Theory of Evolution and should be presented to inform students of the scientific concept and not intended to influence or dissuade the Biblical version of Creation or any other concept.


“It is further recognized by the Board of Education that it is the basic right and privilege of each student to form his/her own opinion or maintain beliefs taught by parents on this very important matter of the origin of life and matter. Students are urged to exercise critical thinking and gather all information possible and closely examine each alternative toward forming an opinion.” Pet. for Cert. 2. …


Jugement: - The petition for a writ of certiorari is denied.

My only reservation is tha the bibles might not have been KJV1611, and in banning their distribution, souls have been saved and are ripe for the Word of God via Landover

[One-eyed Jack]

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This is only more evidence that the disagreement between Christians and the so-called "freedom to believe in Satan" clause of the US Constitution IS TOTAL WAR!

Christian Conservatives -- that is, True Christians(tm) -- will never rest until the only viewpoint taught in schools is our viewpoint.

And if you disagree with that, you had best reject Christianity! That's RIGHT! I am saying it out front, and with no frills: Either Christianity is right, OR secularism is right. There is no middle ground.

Christian theology makes absolute claims: there is one God. He is the only God. There is one path to salvation: the Christian God. There is one Truth: the Truth of Jesus the Christ. There is no alternative.

The secularist laws of the United States tell a different story. They say other paths are possible, other belief systems -- or no belief system -- are equally valuable. These laws cannot be reconciled with Christianity. Not on the deepest, most fundamental level.

In the end, one system must yield.

That is the conflict before us. Thank you, DancesWithJoy, for bringing this topic up, and providing real-world context and detail. You have contributed actual content to the board. Kudos.

~~ OEJ