[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Sorry to everyone if I offended you by my post, especially on the last few parts. I just thought I was pointing out a common forum etiquette. Again I am sorry.
But as a searcher for truth, I am still hoping for the discussion. Especially if anyone knows the original words used on the scripture I mentioned and the scripture Brother Harold Porter as I think it would help clearing out the apparent self-contradiction.
Before anyone accuses me of accusing the Bible of self-contradiction, I do not believe the bible self-contradicts as it is perfect and the word of God. That is why i want to clear that misunderstanding up, by finding out if the meaning was lost in translation.

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Most, if not all of those bible passages you have mentioned Brother Percy is from Old Testament and as such it was commanded to the the ancient nation of Israel. Also, most of those passages, especially those found in the Pentateuch are laws and are to be judged and condemned accordingly by judges and priests of ancient Israel, not decided by mob collective or lone vigilantes.

On the special occasions where God commanded the nation of Israel to exterminate a group of people as a collective, it was commanded by God personally through his prophets and kings. There are even times during war time where the soldiers of Israel did not have to do anything as an angel of God did all the smiting for them.

Or are you assuming the role of judge and you point out who should be killed today, especially as a collective, where only the God can do it?
Are you denouncing the word of god found at James 3:17 that says: "But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,without partiality, and without hypocrisy?

Do not misunderstand me, if God Himself commands me to kill, I will do it in his name. But since he has not done so, neither through modern day prophets nor kings anointed by God, I would not taint my soul with murder.

Absolutely not! The word of god is absolute. But then in times of Israel, there are judges and kings to guide and judge the people righteously. These said judges and kings are the ones that uphold God's law and makes sure it is not violated. Today, a congregation's authority to judge is limited in authority within its congregation and they should let God judge nonbelievers. (1 Corinthians 5:12-13)

Happily, I completely agree. But as I have said before, we should persevere under these times of lawlessness while adhering to the word of God. As much as we hate evil, we cannot let that hate rule our hearts let the love for God dominate. Praising God in our own ways and waiting when God will unleash his judgement. Until then, we should refrain from judging other people as we are all sinners and cannot judge another sinner. God in all his glory, has reserved the right for he can see into the hearts of everyone.

The True Christian™ is instructed otherwise. And we are judged only by God Himself.

1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

In Christ

I have an idea. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. But I believe what both those texts mentioned mean is that we are given the spirit of God to make judgement of all things, understanding them so we can make the right choice. But judicial judgement of outside the congregation belongs to only God.

About my post earlier, my justification for this idea is that there are many kinds of judgement. There are judgement carried out by judges and people with authority which for the sake of simplicity, I will call judicial judgement. Also, there is a kind of judgement that means decision making.

If anyone has a knowledge of ancient languages and perhaps can demystify us on the original words used by those Bible texts, we can make sure that no meaning is lost in translation.

The above are my posts and a post by Brother Harold Porter.

Redeemed Papist, please do us a favor and catch up. Do not pounce on the first issue you think you can use to derail other forum users. Read all my posts before commenting as I have already answered a similar allegation.

I was trying to start an educated and insightful discussion, especially educating for me. Please reply accordingly.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

I completely agree.

But this discussion has come far from what I was trying to discuss earlier, about our right to judge unbelievers. Please read all my previous posts pertaining to that subject and comment on it as I feel it merits discussion.

Were are we judging anything friend? As appropriate to Religion we take a rational assessment of the world, identify self proclaimed enemies of God. Remember, it's the sinner who declares them self against Righteousness, not us.

After that is merely a matter of following God's commands on how to deal with the unrepentantly unsaved.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Most, if not all of those bible passages you have mentioned Brother Percy is from Old Testament and as such it was commanded to the the ancient nation of Israel. Also, most of those passages, especially those found in the Pentateuch are laws and are to be judged and condemned accordingly by judges and priests of ancient Israel, not decided by mob collective or lone vigilantes.

John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Oh we agree friend. Or Savoir will be crying as He commits those acts of tough love as He cuts down the sinning scum like worthless vermin they are. But friend, please keep in mind we His chosen elect have done our best to help the unsaved repent. It is their chose to reject Jesus unconditional love for them so it is their chose to have Jesus smash their sculls in with a sword and feed them to the ravens. We TRUE Christians™ love, but is it the unsaved that hate.

I completely agree.

But this discussion has come far from what I was trying to discuss earlier, about our right to judge unbelievers. Please read all my previous posts pertaining to that subject and comment on it as I feel it merits discussion.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Brother Percy, I am not passing judgement to you or condemning your beliefs, but I cannot help but notice you are so fixated on the violent aspects of the return of Jesus. God was not happy when he had to kill some of his nation to correct their erred ways, instead he was sad. I must tell you of Psalms 11:5 and please meditate on its message.

Oh we agree friend. Or Savoir will be crying as He commits those acts of tough love as He cuts down the sinning scum like worthless vermin they are. But friend, please keep in mind we His chosen elect have done our best to help the unsaved repent. It is their chose to reject Jesus unconditional love for them so it is their chose to have Jesus smash their sculls in with a sword and feed them to the ravens. We TRUE Christians(tm) love, but is it the unsaved that hate.

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

I ignore NOTHING, friend. I just do not like the "hippy fag-loving Jesus" that sissy liberals Christians LIKE YOU make him out to be.

Nowhere in my posts have I claimed that God loves fags.
God is love (1 John 4:8) and likewise He also owns vengeance (Romans 12:19).

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

It all depends on the ways you praise God, friend. Do you go around telling everyone that Jesus was all about love and peace and loves everyone, picking and choosing parts you like just like a liberal sissy, OR do you tell them the TRUTH about our Lord?

Remember, the Bible teaches us that when Jesus returns to Earth he will have white hair, eyes of fire, feet of brass, and has a sword sticking out of his mouth. All those who do not repent and turn to Jesus (ie. atheists, Jews, Wiccans, Buddists, Hindus, Rag-heads) will be fought and slaughtered by Jesus (with the sword sticking out his mouth). Glory!(Revelation 1.13, 2.16)

Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire". Praise! (2 Thessalonians 1.7)

All those who obey Jesus until the end (ie. Us True Christians) will rule everyone else with an iron rod. They'll even get to smash the others into smithereens! Glory! (Revelation 2.26)

The only way into Heaven in through Jesus. Whoever denies "that Jesus is the Christ" is a liar and an antichrist, and will burn in Hell for all eternity for it! Praise! (1 John 2.22) All non-Christians are deceivers and antichrists (2 John 7)

It REALLY irritates me when liberal Christians try to ignore the Christ of Revelation, even though that's the Christ we're gonna get when he returns, and try to focus on a few miracles he did over 2,000 years ago.

Sure, they were pretty spectacular, but I CAN'T WAIT to see him with his mouth-sword, hacking and slashing apart all those non-believers! Wow! Glory! That'll SURE be one impressive sight! Now THAT'S the Christ I worship! Praise Jesus!

Brother Percy, I am not passing judgement to you or condemning your beliefs, but I cannot help but notice you are so fixated on the violent aspects of the return of Jesus. God was not happy when he had to kill some of his nation to correct their erred ways, instead he was sad. I must tell you of Psalms 11:5 and please meditate on its message.

[Brother_Percy]

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I do not ignore the Jesus of revelation whose enemies will be put to judgement, and neither should you ignore the Jesus that shows compassion and love.

I ignore NOTHING, friend. I just do not like the "hippy fag-loving Jesus" that sissy liberals Christians LIKE YOU make him out to be.

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

I do not ignore the Jesus of revelation whose enemies will be put to judgement, and neither should you ignore the Jesus that shows compassion and love.

As for my ways of praising God, I am in the process of understanding and learning. I am on a quest for truth as it was written that the truth shall set us free.


About my post earlier, my justification for this idea is that there are many kinds of judgement. There are judgement carried out by judges and people with authority which for the sake of simplicity, I will call judicial judgement. Also, there is a kind of judgement that means decision making.

If anyone has a knowledge of ancient languages and perhaps can demystify us on the original words used by those Bible texts, we can make sure that no meaning is lost in translation.

[Brother_Percy]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Praising God in our own ways.

It all depends on the ways you praise God, friend. Do you go around telling everyone that Jesus was all about love and peace and loves everyone, picking and choosing parts you like just like a liberal sissy, OR do you tell them the TRUTH about our Lord?

Remember, the Bible teaches us that when Jesus returns to Earth he will have white hair, eyes of fire, feet of brass, and has a sword sticking out of his mouth. All those who do not repent and turn to Jesus (ie. atheists, Jews, Wiccans, Buddists, Hindus, Rag-heads) will be fought and slaughtered by Jesus (with the sword sticking out his mouth). Glory!(Revelation 1.13, 2.16)

Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire". Praise! (2 Thessalonians 1.7)

All those who obey Jesus until the end (ie. Us True Christians) will rule everyone else with an iron rod. They'll even get to smash the others into smithereens! Glory! (Revelation 2.26)

The only way into Heaven in through Jesus. Whoever denies "that Jesus is the Christ" is a liar and an antichrist, and will burn in Hell for all eternity for it! Praise! (1 John 2.22) All non-Christians are deceivers and antichrists (2 John 7)

It REALLY irritates me when liberal Christians try to ignore the Christ of Revelation, even though that's the Christ we're gonna get when he returns, and try to focus on a few miracles he did over 2,000 years ago.

Sure, they were pretty spectacular, but I CAN'T WAIT to see him with his mouth-sword, hacking and slashing apart all those non-believers! Wow! Glory! That'll SURE be one impressive sight! Now THAT'S the Christ I worship! Praise Jesus!

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

I have an idea. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. But I believe what both those texts mean is that we are given the spirit of God to make judgement of all things, understanding them so we can make the right choice. But judicial judgement of outside the congregation belongs to only God.

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

The True Christian™ is instructed otherwise. And we are judged only by God Himself.

1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

In Christ

I do not know how True Christian™ is instructed but I believe in adhering and following the Bible in all of its texts. As I have mentioned time and before, I seek the truth and any enlightenment that comes my way is welcomed.
Perhaps there is a way to combine both of the mentioned Bible texts without contradicting each other.
Any suggestions?

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Today, a congregation's authority to judge is limited in authority within its congregation and they should let God judge nonbelievers. (1 Corinthians 5:12-13)

The True Christian™ is instructed otherwise. And we are judged only by God Himself.

1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

In Christ

[librarian]

Re: Countries We Should Nuke?

Yet nowadays our liberal fag-loving Laws won't allow us to conduct God's Judgement on those fully deserving his wrath. I'm not saying we should get a huge mob together, and go on a killing spree, I'm saying that how will God feel that his Laws are being hugely ignored in our pathetic Judicial system? How will HE feel that we allow trans-gendered abominations to roam freely, and worse, like that Whore GaGa (I REFUSE to call that freak a "Lady"), have chart topping hits and become false idols to millions of children worldwide? It's disgusting!

Happily, I completely agree. But as I have said before, we should persevere under these times of lawlessness while adhering to the word of God. As much as we hate evil, we cannot let that hate rule our hearts let the love for God dominate. Praising God in our own ways and waiting when God will unleash his judgement. Until then, we should refrain from judging other people as we are all sinners and cannot judge another sinner. God in all his glory, has reserved the right for he can see into the hearts of everyone.