[PraiseHawking]

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You didn't really respond to my first three points, you just said they were lies without any real explanation as to why. On the last one, the quote is behemoth, which could be any large herbivore like a rhino or an elephant. This might not even be dinosaur. Unless it describes the features of the animals and they match any dinosaur we know, it doesn't count.

[PraiseHawking]

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Pastor Ezekiel,

Can you prove to me that the original bible and these prophecies have not been perverted? Unless you have seen the prophecies when they were originally spoken and have read the original bible, all your scriptural evidence is null and void.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Pastor Ezekiel,

Can you prove to me that the original bible and these prophecies have not been perverted? Unless you have seen the prophecies when they were originally spoken and have read the original bible, all your scriptural evidence is null and void.

You can try this link.

[MitzaLizalor]

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You didn't really respond to my first three points, you just said they were lies without any real explanation as to why. On the last one, the quote is behemoth, which could be any large herbivore like a rhino or an elephant. This might not even be dinosaur. Unless it describes the features of the animals and they match any dinosaur we know, it doesn't count.

It does describe the features of the animal in considerable detail. Have you ever seen a rhino or an elephant? It is absolutely impossible for behemoth to be either. If you had read the linked article you would already know that. The point is covered in more detail here:

DINOSAURS link to post
A lot of our knowledge about the relationship between bones and soft tissue (muscles, tendons etc.) & nerves comes from sports medicine. I don’t need to tell you how critical this branch of science is on the football field or whatever, because you already know. Presumably the Romans had some similar knowledge gleaned over several hundred years of athletic competition - some of it may have trickled down to us, but any athletic culture will have such knowledge and - in the absence of actual dinosaurs - could apply that knowledge to any skeletons they found, just as we have done. (Actual dinosaurs would be better, though.) In the case of large dinosaurs - a stegosaurus, say - the brain cavity inside the skull is small. Quite complete skeletons exist and how the bones were linked together by muscles is fairly well understood thanks to the contribution of vets and chiropractors, whose expertise is quite relevant. They can distinguish from the shape of the bones where muscles were attached, where nerves ran etc., and can verify earlier knowledge that has been preserved, such as it is, to be correct.
Deuteronomy 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
Our “natural force” as the Deuteronomist terms it, is associated with the head - we observe the world through our eyes, ears, etc., and associate language thought and consciousness primarily with the brain. The strength which enables us to rule over all the animals - whether you think we should do so or not - is our intelligence. Even the strongest human is weak compared to an elephant. That is why we are hunters, rather than hunted. Our natural force, and our strength lies in our head.
Stegosaurus has a very small head, and a tiny brain. Its strength lay in MUSCLE, and all those muscles control bones hinged from the spine and the hips - massive hind legs, huge thick spiked tail, front legs less powerful. The focus of the animal was its middle. The tiny brain only had to see food (grass, leaves) and eat it. The rest of the animal was controlled from a ganglion of nerves near the base of the tail. This was significantly larger than its brain, because it was controlling most of the muscles. The muscles controlled the bones (legs, swishing tail etc.) of these animals, and the large ganglion of nerves, protected underneath the hard backbone, controlled the muscles. For a stegosaurus then, its strength and its natural force are centrally located.
Job 40:15b, 16 he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
I am not saying that Behemoth = Stegosaurus; there were numerous animals in this category, all very much as described.
[Cyber Yahweh] has a link elsewhere in this thread to his most erudite lecture series.

Moving back to your 3rd "point" we find that you seem not to have read the mathematics describing either quantum fluctuations or singularities (or false vacuums either for that matter). You have not suggested any location for your "singularity" and therefore have not actually posed any question requiring an answer.

Your 2nd paragraph was about monkeys. No biologist has ever suggested that humans either evolved from or are a type of the monkey. Christians do not endorse the satanic lies of evolutionary biology, but what you wrote has nothing to do with biology of any description and so warrants no response. Because you've presented nothing to respond to.

I did not say that your book would contain lies (paragraph 1) I said I wouldn't read it.

_____________________________________________Unlike your intro post._____________________________________________


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[Ex Cashew]

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Atheists enjoy butt sodomy, and that's sinful! Even the cripple Stephen hawking can get enough demon power in his loins to sodomize young evolution students in their butts!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Atheists enjoy butt sodomy, and that's sinful! Even the cripple Stephen hawking can get enough demon power in his loins to sodomize young evolution students in their butts!

You seem a little... preoccupied with what Sodomites do, dear.

Have you considered accepting Jesus Christ into your heart and being freed from this obsession? We can help!

[Derpington]

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5. They have to lie to make their point (in which case their point must be a lie). They try to "prove" their Darwinist monkey cult through such obviously forged evidence as the Piltdown man, while ignoring real evidence such as the Paluxy man tracks.

Considering Darwinist as a "Monkey cult" is like saying that Wiccans are really witches. Atheists make solid points from various topics. And I can see why you think that we evolved from "monkeys". It's really simplistic, we came from a common ancestor, that's all.

Nothing is perfect, it's only better.
We are closely related to monkeys, but they're more like our uncles or aunts or cousins.
Saying that we HUNTED dino is like saying that hawks get hunted by small birds.
These atheists are just not ripe enough to comprehend the brilliant scientific discoveries that scientists are discovering. And science will NEVER. EVER. Help prove God is real. Scientific Creationism is an oxymoron.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Considering Darwinist as a "Monkey cult" is like saying that Wiccans are really witches. Atheists make solid points from various topics. And I can see why you think that we evolved from "monkeys". It's really simplistic, we came from a common ancestor, that's all.

Nothing is perfect, it's only better.
We are closely related to monkeys, but they're more like our uncles or aunts or cousins.
Saying that we HUNTED dino is like saying that hawks get hunted by small birds.
These atheists are just not ripe enough to comprehend the brilliant scientific discoveries that scientists are discovering. And science will NEVER. EVER. Help prove God is real. Scientific Creationism is an oxymormon.

Actually, if you swallow the evolution scam hook line and sinker, ALL of us have a common ancestor. So add foot fungus to your ancestry, friend.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[my_death]

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Friends,

As we are currently discussing Why Atheists are so miserable, I have decided to start this new thread - to continue my '101 Reasons' Series with '101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG'.

Reason No. 1 - The Holy Bible!

Atheists 'claim' that God doesn't exist, yet the Bible proves them WRONG! I can see the Bible, hold it in my hand, and know 1000% that it exists! As God wrote the Bible, this proves that he MUST EXIST too! How dumb these Atheists are!

Reason No. 2 - Evil-ution from Monkeys!

If we really evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys STILL exist? Surely they would've evolved too? And why don't we have tails or swing from trees or speak in monkey-talk? These atheists must be pretty deluded to believe such nonsense!

Reason No. 3 - The 'Big Bang'

Atheists believe there was a 'Big Bang' which created the Earth and the Universe and all things?? Well, what created the 'Big Bang'?? And what was there before it 'banged'??? Ask ANY atheist - they won't be able to answer you! Why? Because God created the 'Big Bang'! And then went on to create the Earth and everything in just 6 days! Praise Jesus!

Reason No. 4 - Dinosaurs

Most dumb atheists believe that man and dinosaurs didn't inhabit the Earth at the same time. However, we know this to be a LIE! Didn't Noah ride dinosaurs onto the Ark? Aren't Dinosaurs mentioned throughout the Bible?

Checkmate - Atheist!


....MORE TO FOLLOW....

Are you trolling? Because I have a very hard time believing someone could be this uneducated and primitive. How does a book prove the existence of an all powerful being? Harry potter is a book but just because they talk about a boy with magical abilities existing doesn't mean he does, yes as an actor (Daniel Radcliffe) but not as his character.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Are you trolling? Because I have a very hard time believing someone could be this uneducated and primitive. How does a book prove the existence of an all powerful being? Harry potter is a book but just because they talk about a boy with magical abilities existing doesn't mean he does, yes as an actor (Daniel Radcliffe) but not as his character.

Yes, but Harry Potter wasn't written by God, was it.

Go and tell your master satan that we have Jesus on our side, and that we are not interested in your hatemongering.

[AHappyPerson]

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6. They don't believe in a loving, personal GOD who cares so much about us He volunteered His only son to die temporarily for our sins! If this didn't happen, how could any of us go to Heaven?

7. They don't believe in a GOD who is actively in control of Earth and our lives. Just the other day me and my wife received a prayer alert from her brother that our nephew would be taking a rather critical test in school, and that we should ask the LORD to guide Him and give Him the knowledge to pass it. The entire family prayed, and do you know what? He got an A+ on that test! That's all the proof I need!

8. Atheists are usually bad at debating and end up saying that you can't prove there IS a god, so why should they obey this religion or that? Well, to that I have to answer, just because you can't disprove GODdoesn't mean He doesn't exist. I can't believe the lack of logic these people have!

I offer a very simple idea of how your nephew could have done well on that test without divine intervention. He studied. And in this way a prayer could have been seen as a way to help him cheat. Not fair to the other students.

And there is also a very simple reason that you can't disprove that God exists in any given form. You cannot disprove a negative. For example, prove to me that there are no invisible unicorns galloping around in a forest somewhere. I will use your method.

[Attila's Wife]

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And there is also a very simple reason that you can't disprove that God exists in any given form. You cannot disprove a negative. For example, prove to me that there are no invisible unicorns galloping around in a forest somewhere. I will use your method.

You have this back to front: do you mean that you can't PROVE a negative? If I say "There are no green pandas" then the moment someone finds a green panda, that negative is disproved. Whether or not I see the green panda myself is irrelevant.

But how would I prove my statement that there are no green pandas - to my own satisfaction, let alone anyone else's? I'd have to search the entire universe and even then, the green panda might be one step ahead of me all the way.

YiC
Attila's Wife

[Alphonse Alban]

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For example, prove to me that there are no invisible unicorns galloping around in a forest somewhere. I will use your method.

Don't be silly, unicorns are not invisible. They are just very rare these days.

Psalm 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Don't be silly, unicorns are not invisible. They are just very rare these days.

Psalm 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

I found that text particularly helpful. There being differences in behaviours of young and old unicorns tells us that unicorns age, and animals which age have definitely lived. The Bible is always internally consistent (unlike fiction with its plot holes and error) and absolutely reliable. So I am reassured that Jesus really is in Heaven, as Luke confirms here:

LUKE 1:1-4a Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things.
ACTS 1:1-11 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. KJV

[barryjefferson]

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aren't you a little old to have an imaginary friend