[MitzaLizalor]

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1) How can a book prove god exists? Couldn't it just be a mortal man who wrote it?

2) Well, most scientists (around 99.5 %) believe evolution is the correct answer, and to support this claim they have several skeletons and dna-samples that points in the direction that we evolved from a specific species of apes (difference between monkeys and apes being the great similarity between humans and apes LINK TO PORN SITE DELETED

Friends,

As we are currently discussing Why Atheists are so miserable, I have decided to start this new thread - to continue my '101 Reasons' Series with '101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG'.

Reason No. 1 - The Holy Bible!
Reason No. 2 - Evil-ution from Monkeys!

If we really evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys STILL exist? Surely they would've evolved too? And why don't we have tails or swing from trees or speak in monkey-talk?

The extreme double standard of the atheist. Unusual claims, such as that the universe initiated its own genesis for no reason, require unusual evidence. The evidence offered is not actual skeletons, dna-samples, apes or monkeys but words about skeletons, dna-samples, apes, monkeys and so on. I know that if pressed the atheist poster will refer us to books or papers published in self referential journals and sure, in those books we'll find detailed records of research with peer reviewed results: that's how science works. Voiceofman might even post me a book to read but is very unlikely to post me an actual gorilla.

And here's the double standard. When I refer to The Bible in support of what Voiceofman probably regards as the unusual claim that things do not spontaneously generate themselves, the collection of books in which evidence from numerous cultures and societies is recorded is inadmissible.

3) Of course most atheists wouldn't be able to answer that question as it is not possible with the current knowledge of the universe, but recent trials in CERN gave us the Higgs particle, which hopefully will lead us to a greater understanding of the universe and an answer to how the big bang came to be.

Reason No. 3 - The 'Big Bang'
Atheists believe there was a 'Big Bang'

Which recent trials at CERN? What greater understanding? Who at CERN says their work will lead us to an answer to how the big bang came to be?

4) [has already been answered]
5) I wouldn't say that I would have to lie to make my point. Just because a man is religious, does not mean it is ok to be ignorant of certain facts.

Reason No. 4 - Dinosaurs
5. They have to lie to make their point (in which case their point must be a lie). They try to "prove" their Darwinist monkey cult through such obviously forged evidence as the Piltdown man, while ignoring real evidence such as the Paluxy man tracks.

Here again we see the double standard of the atheist agenda. Disregarding all facts at variance with their bizarre notion, even well established historical facts, the evolutionist claims that all "evidence" supports Darwin's book and that no evidence HOWEVER WELL DOCUMENTED will ever affirm the Power of God in actual lives of men and women who accept His Promises and testify to His Greatness each day He sends.

6) So because they don't believe in the same thing as you, they are unquestionably wrong? etc.

6. They don't believe in a loving, personal GOD..
7. They don't believe in a GOD who is actively in control of Earth and our lives.

Sorry atheist - it's not me you're disagreeing with. It's God. Having excluded all documentary evidence (except your own material and books done by "authorities" who happen to agree with you) there's no way of your knowing what He actually says of course, so here's an example:

II Timothy 3:16 and God goes on to explain why that is so II Timothy 3:17. When you disagree with that you are not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with God.

How do we know that? Because history records His testimony Psalm 19:7 and it accords with the witness of others. All these sources agree although they were written down over many centuries. If you don't want to accept these sources how can you claim to have examined all the evidence?

II Peter 1:21 explains how we know these testimonies are valid. Despite your attack on our beliefs and the broader attack by satan over 6016 years God is still current, His Inerrant Word so totally up to date, our future assured and your everlasting torment guaranteed. Yes, I think I can see why you'd reject facts like that. But to substitute quicksand..? That can only be the vapid fruit of denial.

[Bobby-Joe]

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1) How can a book prove god exists? Couldn't it just be a mortal man who wrote it?
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Look at The Bible friend and tell me just one single man wrote it.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Look at The Bible friend and tell me just one single man wrote it.

You'd think these atheists would at least try to learn a little about something before spewing off whatever baloney they hear in their atheist anger-gatherings. It's like they parrot back whatever they hear and have no idea what they're talking about.

[MitzaLizalor]

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You'd think these atheists would at least try to learn a little about something before spewing off whatever baloney they hear in their atheist anger-gatherings. It's like they parrot back whatever they hear and have no idea what they're talking about.

It's amazing Mrs Etheldreda and sad, but true. Last night I was chatting to a couple of them about a new telescope they've invented and one or two asked the usual dopey questions (lovers, I shouldn't wonder planted behind the curtains) - my point being that when you ask an ACTUAL question: "What does that mean?" they just sort of look at you and pass it on and the next goon flannels a bit "Dark ages, red shift, more money €50billion.."

"What's that mean?" they really don't know! But suggest that God knows and has actually TOLD us and they'd laugh in your face.

[meh123]

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Okay. I've signed up not to flame or anything. But to put some opinions other than yours into this.

"We know the Bible is 100% true, because God wrote it, and he's infallible. How could you doubt such a thing? This really shows how dumb atheists are! "

This is implying that you believe in god to believe it's 100% true. You can doubt because obviously it's religion. You can't claim someone is dumb for not believing 100% in something that hasn't been claimed true. Say I don't believe in god, why am I supposed to believe the bible is 100% true? How do I know god wrote it and how do know he's infallible? I don't. You can't just say "Well, the bible says he exists so he does!". It's like a proof in a math class. You can't use a proof without proving it first. You can't use the bible to justify the bible because that is just a endless cycle and not defined reason.

Before you say "Well, the bible is true! 100% because God wrote it and it has to be true!". Isn't this the case as well with most other religions? What's to say that the Quran isn't true?

"Well, because the Christian God is Lord!"

How do you know that? Who told you? God? Which god?


Also, the ban status on this website is "Confirmed Enemy of God - Aeternal Damnation Assured". That's what REALLY made me mad. How could people like yourself who are supposed to be "wiser" and "smarter" because you're "with" God make something so ignorant?! I know tons of Atheists, none of them are as rude as you all are in this thread.


Don't ban me, I want to have a good discussion.

[Integra-T]

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Okay. I've signed up not to flame or anything. But to put some opinions other than yours into this.

"We know the Bible is 100% true, because God wrote it, and he's infallible. How could you doubt such a thing? This really shows how dumb atheists are! "

This is implying that you believe in god to believe it's 100% true. You can doubt because obviously it's religion. You can't claim someone is dumb for not believing 100% in something that hasn't been claimed true. Say I don't believe in god, why am I supposed to believe the bible is 100% true? How do I know god wrote it and how do know he's infallible? I don't. You can't just say "Well, the bible says he exists so he does!". It's like a proof in a math class. You can't use a proof without proving it first. You can't use the bible to justify the bible because that is just a endless cycle and not defined reason.

Before you say "Well, the bible is true! 100% because God wrote it and it has to be true!". Isn't this the case as well with most other religions? What's to say that the Quran isn't true?

"Well, because the Christian God is Lord!"

How do you know that? Who told you? God? Which god?


Also, the ban status on this website is "Confirmed Enemy of God - Aeternal Damnation Assured". That's what REALLY made me mad. How could people like yourself who are supposed to be "wiser" and "smarter" because you're "with" God make something so ignorant?! I know tons of Atheists, none of them are as rude as you all are in this thread.


Don't ban me, I want to have a good discussion.

Sup bro. I here what your sayin. Just don't think all Christians judge because some do. Its great that the people here believe and I wish every one did. But I wish they turned the other cheek and didunt cast stones so much.

But when it comes to being a Christian you just know its true. And I mean KNOW know. Like when you get used to praying all the time.? Jesus starts to talk back. And you know it has to be true no matter what anyone else says when you start having deep experiences with Jesus. It really is a personal relationship with Him and I hope you come to know how awesome that is/

Have you concidered going to some Christian rock festivals? Theirs this one in Kentucky in October called Icthus you should go to. I went for the first time a few years ago and met soo many great people and it really helped me to grow in faith. Think about it. PM me with where you live and if you're on the way me and my bros can swing by and pick you up on the way.

Agape love.
~Tyce

[speedyburp]

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Friend,

We know the Bible is 100% true, because God wrote it, and he's infallible. How could you doubt such a thing? This really shows how dumb atheists are!



Is this your proof that we evolved from monkeys? Because 'gorilla's are stronger' than us?? That's the dumbest reason I've ever heard!!!



"The big bang is a natural cycle that happened times before"??? PROVE IT! And as for "Nothing can be created in 6 days"... I can create a perfect omlette in 6 minutes! Checkmate - Atheist!




There are no dinosaurs left now, obviously, because we killed them all! How dumb are you? Ever heard of extinction? After the flood, we hunted dinosaurs for food (or sport) until none were left. Well, except for crocodiles and the Loch Ness pleseosaur, and all the rest of the dinosaurs that live under the sea.

These atheists are so retarded!

I hope you realise that the argument you are quoting off YouTube is actually a SPOOF. If you can't recognise an Atheist mocking Christian arguments, what logic can you use?

The Bible wasn't written by God, it was written by Moses, Mark, Luke, Matthew, John, Paul etc

The point he's making is that we aren't superior to other animals in any way other than intellectual. Using the monkeys argument is, as many people have already said, like saying if the USA was founded by Europeans why do we still have Europe. Just because we developed some features that were an evolutionary advantage doesn't mean that all life related to us would develop the same way.

Oh, I love the way you're using the "checkmate atheist" from the spoof. We don't know what caused the Big Bang, we never claimed to be sure. Don't go down the route of saying we don't know so we're wrong, we just don't know YET. Like until we found it in the LHC we didn't know if the Higgs Boson existed

Why then are there no fossils with tools/weapons in them? You clearly don't even know what a dinosaur is (crocodiles aren't dinosaurs), and... you believe in the loch Ness monster. Dinosaurs under the sea? Are you confusing reality with your imagination?

There is NO evidence for dinosaurs living alongside humans that hasn't been refuted.

Ok, now for proving Christianity is wrong:
1. Carbon dating shows Earth is older than your holy book says it is
2. There are historical artefacts from before when the Bible says the flood occurred (about 3000 BC), which have different languages written on them (the tower of Babel happened after the flood in the Bible)
3. We can see more than 13 billion light years so the universe must be more than 13 billion years old
4. Background radiation - how do you explain it? A trick of the devil?
5. Mistakes in the Bible, like Jesus saying all of his followers will be able to perform miracles, and him saying the apocalypse would occur in the lifetime of the apostles.

Atheists don't love sin. We just hate ignorance. We KNOW that your holy books are false, and that when you hear God's voice it's just your imagination.

Yes, it's sad that there is no meaning to life - there is no meaning to anything, BUT that doesn't mean that there is one. Just because something is morally desirable doesn't make it true.

Free will is just the calculations going on inside our brains. We don't have souls or spirits, we are solely manifestations of the brain. When our brain dies we die. When data is put into our brains we process the data with no more free will than a computer has. BUT, this doesn't mean we can't make decisions based on evidence. Computers will be wrong if you put in the wrong data, and that is what happens to us. We won't be able to change our destiny, but it will be very interesting to see what it is! Any decision you make is fully predetermined by the laws of physics.

Please stop wasting time and energy praying to a God who isn't there.

[speedyburp]

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But when it comes to being a Christian you just know its true. And I mean KNOW know. Like when you get used to praying all the time.? Jesus starts to talk back. And you know it has to be true no matter what anyone else says when you start having deep experiences with Jesus. It really is a personal relationship with Him and I hope you come to know how awesome that is/

~Tyce

I once had an imaginary friend. I had deep experiences, and a personal relationship with her. This doesn't prove she was real. The human imagination is capable of making things appear to be how the person who is using it wants them to appear. I once had a conversation with God, and the devil, but I wasn't gullible enough to interpret them as actually being God and the Devil, despite them seeming realistic, and just like people would imagine them to be. (NB: like people would IMAGINE them to be).

I realise what my imagination is and what it is capable of. We need to try looking at the fact that the Bible has many errors, and that scientific theories are the best way to explain what we see in the universe today.

I understand how real it can seem when you talk to God - I have a personal experience of that, but there is no place for a God that to all intelligent people has been refuted in modern society.

[Thomas Dalton]

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I hope you realise that the argument you are quoting off YouTube is actually a SPOOF.

And yet those arguments in that so-called "spoof" are a lot clearer than your convulated wall of text. I follow Occam's razor: The most easy explanation is the right one.

Is it easier to explain all that science mumbo-jumbo, or that a all-powerful being created the Earth in seven days and hates homosexuals?

By the way, your precious "science" is getting new theories every day, while we never have to adapt our "theories". I would say that that makes us right, since we never have to change, what do you say ?

I'll leave this link here that proves how the Devil messes up the most common scientific measurements: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40805

I once had an imaginary friend. I had deep experiences, and a personal relationship with her. This doesn't prove she was real. The human imagination is capable of making things appear to be how the person who is using it wants them to appear. I once had a conversation with God, and the devil, but I wasn't gullible enough to interpret them as actually being God and the Devil, despite them seeming realistic, and just like people would imagine them to be. (NB: like people would IMAGINE them to be).

I realise what my imagination is and what it is capable of. We need to try looking at the fact that the Bible has many errors, and that scientific theories are the best way to explain what we see in the universe today.

I understand how real it can seem when you talk to God - I have a personal experience of that, but there is no place for a God that to all intelligent people has been refuted in modern society.

Did you ever consider the Devil was succesful in deluding you he and God weren't real?

[speedyburp]

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6. They don't believe in a loving, personal GOD who cares so much about us He volunteered His only son to die temporarily for our sins! If this didn't happen, how could any of us go to Heaven?

7. They don't believe in a GOD who is actively in control of Earth and our lives. Just the other day me and my wife received a prayer alert from her brother that our nephew would be taking a rather critical test in school, and that we should ask the LORD to guide Him and give Him the knowledge to pass it. The entire family prayed, and do you know what? He got an A+ on that test! That's all the proof I need!

8. Atheists are usually bad at debating and end up saying that you can't prove there IS a god, so why should they obey this religion or that? Well, to that I have to answer, just because you can't disprove GODdoesn't mean He doesn't exist. I can't believe the lack of logic these people have!

Ok. How could we go to heaven? We can't, it's that simple. When we die we die forever.

I didn't pray and got an A* in all but one of the GCSE science papers I took (4 papers I got A*s in, the other one was an A). I got an A in maths, doing my GCSE early. I haven't got the rest of my results back yet . I got this grade from being a nerd, not from being a Christian.

We can show that our theory works better than yours, and even if we can't disprove god (transcendent immortal), we can disprove God (the god of the Bible). Our theory makes predictions, these have been tested and what we expected to happen has happened. Things your Bible predicts are either obvious things that have happened almost constantly throughout history, or haven't happened: (where are all the miracles, why hasn't the apocalypse happened during the lifetimes of the apostles)

In debates there are a lot of stupid ideas on both sides. Ignore the crap and try actually arguing against the popular theories and ideas. If the person you're debating with says something that's wrong, just tell them, but don't say it means all Atheists are idiots - Christian arguments are just as bad in many circumstances. The main reason we don't believe in God is because our theories (evolution, big bang) have vast amounts of evidence, make testable predictions which have been confirmed, and don't require gods. Your theory is contrary to ours, and there is vast amounts of evidence that ours is correct - we know evolution occurs, we have directly observed it. We predicted, then discovered background radiation. Where is this for the God hypothesis? (and saying you feel God is not evidence, I can feel imaginary things, this doesn't mean they're real)

[speedyburp]

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And yet those arguments in that so-called "spoof" are a lot clearer than your convulated wall of text. I follow Occam's razor: The most easy explanation is the right one.

Is it easier to explain all that science mumbo-jumbo, or that a all-powerful being created the Earth in seven days and hates homosexuals?

By the way, your precious "science" is getting new theories every day, while we never have to adapt our "theories". I would say that that makes us right, since we never have to change, what do you say ?

I'll leave this link here that proves how the Devil messes up the most common scientific measurements: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40805

Did you ever consider the Devil was succesful in deluding you he and God weren't real?

How do you know Occam's razor is correct? Anyway, what is easy about a theory that makes predictions that are false? What is simple about having an intelligence with no matter associated with it?

Yes, we adapt. That's because we know that we don't know everything. We can only ever disprove things, and find evidence for things - we, or we can refute them. How can you just assume that you have all the facts right? That's a fairly arrogant perspective. Despite this evidence you just keep believing contrary to it. We learn new things - Just like a child "knows" that Santa and the tooth fairy are real, you "know" God is real.

The devil didn't show me, I asked God a question and the answer he gave me was wrong. Maybe you'll say it was the devil pretending to be God, but really this doesn't change the fact that my imagination is by far the most likely explanation for the occurrences. I can imagine an identical circumstance, right now I am talking to "God", but it is just a figment of my imagination. If God really cared wouldn't he reply when I ask him if he's there?

And I have looked at that tricks of the devil thing. That is frankly the biggest load of bollocks I've ever seen. It denies that the world is round! That's ridiculous! We've sent things into space and taken photos of Earth. I've seen people attempt to deny this sort of thing so the Bible doesn't look so wrong, but I have never before seen people in the modern era claim that the Earth is, in fact, not round. The claims that scientific analysis methods are a trick of the devil shows a ridiculous lack of understanding of the way they work.

So is the fact that we have photographs of the curvature of the Earth merely a photo of light rays being bent by the devil? Or is it just that Christians are wrong, and will go to any lengths to deny it. Christians have a huge problem seeing things from the Atheist perspective - they can't look at the Bible as anything other than the word of God, which it is not. (Guys, it doesn't even say it is in the Bible). This is circular logic in it's stupidest form:
1. God exists
2. He wrote the bible (even though the Bible was written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Moses, Paul etc)
3. Therefore the Bible is correct
4. The Bible says God is real, therefore... (back to 1)

[toadlicker]

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ok wow. atheist do believe that something created everything. that is the big bang. why are christians so incredibly closeminded and stupid?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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ok wow. atheist do believe that something created everything. that is the big bang. why are christians so incredibly closeminded and stupid?

Hey dummy, you believe that everything in the universe came from some tiny ball of matter that somehow exploded and created the whole universe in seconds.

HELLO???



Now...who's stupid?

YOU.

Read Genesis 1 and see if that seems just a teensy-weensy more likely.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[toadlicker]

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Is it easier to explain all that science mumbo-jumbo, or that a all-powerful being created the Earth in seven days and hates homosexuals?


Ur and idiot. science is much easier. isnt your stupid god supposed to love all of his children equally? not hate certain ppl becuz YOU feel insecure about it? you christians are the worse than anything. ur dumb close-minded and incredibly judgemental to kind ppl. ur all idiots and i hope you die a painful death

[Redeemed Papist]

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Is it easier to explain all that science mumbo-jumbo, or that a all-powerful being created the Earth in seven days and hates homosexuals?


Ur and idiot. science is much easier. isnt your stupid god supposed to love all of his children equally? not hate certain ppl becuz YOU feel insecure about it? you christians are the worse than anything. ur dumb close-minded and incredibly judgemental to kind ppl. ur all idiots and i hope you die a painful death

Hang on, brethren. I speak retard.

UR no an smrt prsn. Are God is al pwrfl an wil kick ur scince gods butt in any fite. God hates u and all ur dum dooshbag frends. He made u an ur ded ungr8fl.

UR goan 2 Hell.