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Re: Confused?

-The other weird thing is that I could not find a city in Iowa called Freehold or Landover?? Is it fake?

The Old Covenant seem to be preferred in this Church although we are in the new Covenant with Jesus and should focus more on Jesus Christ our Redeemer!

Oh for Christ's Sake Hawkie

YOU are quoting Matthew 5 left, right and centre, but you convenientily FORGET this MOST important verse:

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You seem to think the OT was just God's whim? That he "didn't really mean it"? This verse proves you wrong.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND Matthew 5:18 or NOT?

AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL US A JOKE?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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The other weird thing is that I could not find a city in Iowa called Freehold or Landover?? Is it fake?

Freehold Iowa is an unincorporated municipality, so it doesn't have it's own post office or zip code, and that's why the internet map sites can't find it. The zip code for the church offices is actually for Fort Dodge.

The Old Covenant seem to be preferred in this Church although we are in the new Covenant with Jesus and should focus more on Jesus Christ our Redeemer!

We don't prefer any parts of the Bible over any other part. EVERY BIT of the Bible is God's Word to man, and every bit of it is equally important.

Yes, we have a New Covenant, but the Old Covenant is not gone. Everything that the Old Covenant calls sin is still sin. What the establishment of the New Covenant did was to allow us to be forgiven of those sins if we repent. It did NOT repeal the Old Covenant.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Frankly, I'm surprised that I have to explain this to you, Hawk. I guess I severely overestimated your understanding of the Bible. I had high hopes for you when you first joined our forum, but it seems that you are just another salad-bar liberal Christian who wants to cherry pick the parts of the Bible that say what you want it to say, ignoring the rest.

If you are teaching people that the Old Covenant no longer applies, then maybe we should change your user name from Hawk to "Least".

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Billy Ram]

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I did mention that I know of that incident, I asked if you know of any other times? It does make sense to me that he got upset, the Church is a place of worshiping God not Mammon!
Your insinuation is very far fetched, do you believe the disciples are going to follow Him if He slaps them around? If you do, I really need something more than just an insinuation!!

Hawk, I pointed out the temple story again because most people imagine Jesus cracking a whip in the air and yelling a bit. I picture Him kicking serious ass, I'm talking anyone who got in the way got a serious whooping. The blind, the lame the poor widow everyone would have recieved blows from Our Lord. Praise. Hawk, don't forget Jesus is the same God from the O.T. who gave people leprosy just for questioning someones marriage (Moses). Why do think His disciples kept following Him, it's cause if they didn't He would beat the crap out of them and throw them in Hell after. Now that's a motivater for loyalty. Praise Him.

[Hawk]

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Hi,

I never said the old Testament is gone or does not apply, did I? I said that we as Christians should follow the teachings of Jesus Christ! Not to take Moses's example above Jesus Christ's example who is the Son of God!

If I am cherry picking, you all are doing exactly the same, so just leave that be! State the verses you like and I do the same! Its all the Word of God!

I did say joke, but what did I say before it? I think these infractions you love to give for stupid reason's is a joke! I assume you do not believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit either, because the way this church treat newcomers are with disrespect and without kindness or gentleness. You are suppose to love thy neighbor as yourself, but if he is black you have a huge problem with it!

If your ministry is in Fort Dodge, would it not be very important to mention it somewhere? because the fact that you have no zip code makes the wiki statements so much stronger that you guys are fictitious! "Freehold Iowa is an unincorporated municipality" is nowhere to be found either, if your church is so huge with all these thousands of members you have, you must be listed somewhere, right?

You are explaining me the context in which you see things, but the way we see things are sometimes different, because our back rounds, experiences and pressure from society are also very different.


Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

What does this mean for you guys?
For me it means that we shall be judged according to the LAW of God, but with the acceptance of Jesus Christ in our life and believing in Him and His Sacrifice we will not perish!
This is what I have stated and do not understand why you are focusing on it, am I wrong?

I have given you many scriptures to support the fact that Jesus did not support violence, but you seem to be blinded to it. We are not fighting the flesh, is a spiritual war, so why do we need to be violent in the flesh?

Have a wonderful day!

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Hi,

I never said the old Testament is gone or does not apply, did I? I said that we as Christians should follow the teachings of Jesus Christ! Not to take Moses's example above Jesus Christ's example who is the Son of God!

Sorry. GOD spoke DIRECTLY to MOSES. They had a little chat. Jesus said he was NOT come to change the law, but to fulfill it.

If I am cherry picking, you all are doing exactly the same, so just leave that be! State the verses you like and I do the same! Its all the Word of God!

That's what we have been trying to tell you.

I did say joke, but what did I say before it? I think these infractions you love to give for stupid reason's is a joke! I assume you do not believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit either, because the way this church treat newcomers are with disrespect and without kindness or gentleness. You are suppose to love thy neighbor as yourself, but if he is black you have a huge problem with it!

No I don't. I do love my neighbors. They just happen not to be black.

If your ministry is in Fort Dodge, would it not be very important to mention it somewhere? because the fact that you have no zip code makes the wiki statements so much stronger that you guys are fictitious! "Freehold Iowa is an unincorporated municipality" is nowhere to be found either, if your church is so huge with all these thousands of members you have, you must be listed somewhere, right?

No, why should we? We are a gated community and we don't like trespassers. We do the LORD's work here and we cannot abide a bunch of FALSE CHRISTIANS calling the FBI 24/7 because they don't like GOD'S Holy Word and don't believe in sacrifice.

You are explaining me the context in which you see things, but the way we see things are sometimes different, because our back rounds, experiences and pressure from society are also very different.


Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

What does this mean for you guys?
For me it means that we shall be judged according to the LAW of God, but with the acceptance of Jesus Christ in our life and believing in Him and His Sacrifice we will not perish!
This is what I have stated and do not understand why you are focusing on it, am I wrong?

No, I'm OK with that.

I have given you many scriptures to support the fact that Jesus did not support violence, but you seem to be blinded to it. We are not fighting the flesh, is a spiritual war, so why do we need to be violent in the flesh?

Because you are wrong. JESUS IS RETURNING TO PHYSICALLY KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS! That is the ONLY reason he is coming back. We have to be ready to help him.

Have a wonderful day!

Thanks! Enjoy Africa while you can until the locusts with machetes descend upon you.

[Hawk]

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Thanks! Enjoy Africa while you can until the locusts with machetes descend upon you.

I wonder how much does Paul pay you guys? Hey, don't forget your tithe Pistle or whoever you are!

Have a wonderful day!

[Bobby-Joe]

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Hi,

I never said the old Testament is gone or does not apply, did I? I said that we as Christians should follow the teachings of Jesus Christ! Not to take Moses's example above Jesus Christ's example who is the Son of God!

Yes, we should follow Christ’s teachings as good and TRUE Christians friend but we also follow God’s Law (as God sent us threw Moses). Jesus was very specific when He modified The Law. That’s why we obey the thirty two commandments in the Old Testament as well as the commandants and instructions in the New Testament.

If your ministry is in Fort Dodge, would it not be very important to mention it somewhere? because the fact that you have no zip code makes the wiki statements so much stronger that you guys are fictitious! "Freehold Iowa is an unincorporated municipality" is nowhere to be found either, if your church is so huge with all these thousands of members you have, you must be listed somewhere, right?

Your questioning of our reality is frankly tiresome and besides the point friend. The issue here is how a Christian is supposed to behave. To suggest that we are joking is to suggest that if the Bible reads as a endlessly absurd farce to an unbiased reader.

Do you really want to go down that path friend?

[/B][/I]I have given you many scriptures to support the fact that Jesus did not support violence, but you seem to be blinded to it. We are not fighting the flesh, is a spiritual war, so why do we need to be violent in the flesh?

Have a wonderful day!

We do know violence friend. As God’s Law explains in The Bible the blood is upon the sinners head. God demands death for sinners in The Law. As a Christian you and me believe God and Jesus are one person. Therefore Jesus does call for violence and to say otherwise is to not be Christian.

[Hawk]

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If your church has thousands of members and is Baptist you will be listed somewhere!
You are not and make me believe your a bunch of people behind pc's that gets paid for discussing the Bible with other people! That's ok, like a forum, but you do mentioning tithes and fees so now it becomes a business! if you are registered as a business or a church you must be listed or registered.

Now you are a gated community and keeping your location a secret, please what do you take me for friend? An idiot? From the beginning I was weary about this site and now I know why! If your motives are honourable and true I am glad, but I cannot believe whatever you say anymore! I ask that Jesus will come into your harts and show you how dirty your souls are, that you will repent and walk away from sin and do His will!

Have a wonderful day!

[Bobby-Joe]

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If your church has thousands of members and is Baptist you will be listed somewhere!
You are not and make me believe your a bunch of people behind pc's that gets paid for discussing the Bible with other people! That's ok, like a forum, but you do mentioning tithes and fees so now it becomes a business! if you are registered as a business or a church you must be listed or registered.

Don't be ridiculous friend. No one gets paid to post on the Internet. In fact we have to pay for the server.

Now you are a gated community and keeping your location a secret, please what do you take me for friend? An idiot? From the beginning I was weary about this site and now I know why! If your motives are honourable and true I am glad, but I cannot believe whatever you say anymore! I ask that Jesus will come into your harts and show you how dirty your souls are, that you will repent and walk away from sin and do His will!

Have a wonderful day!

(Yawn) Here we go again. You are losing the arguement so you accuse of fraud.

No friend, we here at Landover are following Jesus' teaching to the letter and spirit He intended. PRAISE! If you you have a problem with it then you have a problem with The Lord Himself. I suggest you go to your Bible and read if from front to back and set yourself right with Him.

[Hawk]

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Don't be ridiculous friend. No one gets paid to post on the Internet. In fact we have to pay for the server.


(Yawn) Here we go again. You are losing the arguement so you accuse of fraud.

No friend, we here at Landover are following Jesus' teaching to the letter and spirit He intended. PRAISE! If you you have a problem with it then you have a problem with The Lord Himself. I suggest you go to your Bible and read if from front to back and set yourself right with Him.

Hi,

A very interesting story was how pistle lost his wife, from an apple tree she fell into the machine that chopped her up and then God blessed him with bigger apples........he has now an asian girl who does not want to lie still, I am not sure if it is when he commands her to go and rest on Sunday or when he wants to do his manly thing!



By the way, you might follow the Bible to the letter without being borned again and for sure not filled with the Holy Spirit, the fruit most of you bare are rotten, so the tree(you) is infected with a disease. I am very sure you boys have not heard this the first time in you proposed 10 years of existence, because there will be many Christians that feel like me!
Its kind of funny, if it was not for pistle I would probably not have bothered to do some more intense research about your organization.
You are linked to Bettie Bower which is not a good thing for your image, because anything linked to her is about money and tithes.

If you are a genuine Christian organization you will have nothing to hide or have any fear, because Jesus promises us that He will protect us. I have never seen a church who does not want people to know of it, so they will list and market their existence to bring the unbelievers to Jesus!
The way pastors on this site treat people is not according to the Bible or any other real pastor I have ever met! You pastors call people names, even people who are also white and part of God's creation! and this means you are humiliating God since they are His children! Pistle called me a Kaffir, not very Christ like now is it? What kind of pastor will call someone a kaffir? A pastor who is not following the teachings of Christ and have no respect for the other children of God! I am sorry, but I cannot call a person like that a pastor, that status does not become him!

[Bobby-Joe]

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Hi,

A very interesting story was how pistle lost his wife, from an apple tree she fell into the machine that chopped her up and then God blessed him with bigger apples........he has now an asian girl who does not want to lie still, I am not sure if it is when he commands her to go and rest on Sunday or when he wants to do his manly thing!

Do you think family tragedy is somehow funny friend? I personally was appalled by the loss of Mrs Pistle in that accident. If you are suggesting something is wrong about that story do keep in mind that accident was investigated by the proper authorities.

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By the way, you might follow the Bible to the letter without being borned again and for sure not filled with the Holy Spirit, the fruit most of you bare are rotten, so the tree(you) is infected with a disease. I am very sure you boys have not heard this the first time in you proposed [EDIT] 400 years of existence, because there will be many Christians that feel like me!

You don’t judge me friend. Only Jesus gets to do that. Looking at how He has blessed me in my life it is clear He has found me righteous. GLORY!

Its kind of funny, if it was not for pistle I would probably not have bothered to do some more intense research about your organization.
You are linked to Bettie Bower which is not a good thing for your image, because anything linked to her is about money and tithes.

God requires tithing friend. Again, you need to read The Bible.

If you are a genuine Christian organization you will have nothing to hide or have any fear, because Jesus promises us that He will protect us. I have never seen a church who does not want people to know of it, so they will list and market their existence to bring the unbelievers to Jesus!

Nothing to fear? What do you think the terrorists are after? Right now we have a liberal secularist government that just allowed the mass slaughter of the unborn. It is really a small step from murdering babies to murdering adults. We have plenty of reasons to be cautious and protect ourselves. Even our so called fellow Christians want to persecute us for doing as our faith tells us to.

The way pastors on this site treat people is not according to the Bible or any other real pastor I have ever met! You pastors call people names, even people who are also white and part of God's creation! and this means you are humiliating God since they are His children! Pistle called me a Kaffir, not very Christ like now is it? What kind of pastor will call someone a kaffir? A pastor who is not following the teachings of Christ and have no respect for the other children of God! I am sorry, but I cannot call a person like that a pastor, that status does not become him!

Friend, this is called tough love. Did not God love Job? YES! Yet God let Job be dealt with harshly. Your very soul in peril of eternal torment Hawk and we want to help you because we love you (as Jesus commands). That means we are willing to do what it takes to save you and if that means giving you some temporary discomfort so be it! It is better than the eternity of torment you will suffer in Hell if we fail.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

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So what happened to KINDNESS, GOODNESS and GENTLENESS to name a few? There are more hate in these posts than the fruit of the Holy Spirit!

We do not hate. Jesus told us to love our enemies, and we do. But we love them with the Christian love of Jesus, and Jesus had some very harsh words for sinners:

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Matthew 12:34

Harsh words for sin are not signs of hate. Letting someone go to the fiery pits of Hell to roast for eternity because he has not heard the unadulterated Word of God, now that is true hatred.

I am not saying that you must now accept sin like the gay lifestyle, but more to accept the person and talk to him with kindness, goodness and gentleness, not to start calling him names.

We could do that. Or we could do what the Bible tells us to do with sinners when people tell us not to follow the teachings of Christ:

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Titus 2:15

You are really trying to take the Bible and now think you can judge people accordingly, but how can you judge if you are a sinners as well? Only a perfect Holy being like God can judge, we can only discern and help others to show there sins by using ourselves as an example!

But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 Corinthians 5:13

We are not God, but we are perfect Christians, and that gives us the right to judge.

These are all reason why Landover Baptist Church are seen in a negative view by many and on wiki! I do not know if this will open your eyes a bit, because you have functioned in this manner for 10 years now according to your pastor.

We have functioned in this manner for 388 years according to our Pastor, and it has made us 157,000 True Christians™ strong. I seriously doubt we're going to change now just because you have some radical misinterpretation of the Bible on offer.

If you are true Christians you will have to look at your lives and see if you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, by looking at the fruits you bare!

We don't bare fruits, we bear them. And our fruits are most succulent.

and if you do follow the ten Commandments, God's Law, in your life!

The Ten Commandments tells us that that is a sin. The Bible tells us that those who work on the Sabbath should be put to death. We don't work on the Sabbath, and we support the death penalty for those who do. Do you?

[Just James]

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Hawk, as someone who has only recently come to understand it myself, perhaps I can help.

The right thing to do is not to question the Bible. It is the word of God, and therefore even when it appears wrong to your unsaved mind it is in fact right.

Just keep a grip, hold Jesus close to you and keep holding until you feel his love wash all over you.

Can you feel Jesus' love, Hawk?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Hawk, as someone who has only recently come to understand it myself, perhaps I can help.

The right thing to do is not to question the Bible. It is the word of God, and therefore even when it appears wrong to your unsaved mind it is in fact right.

Just keep a grip, hold Jesus close to you and keep holding until you feel his love wash all over you.

Can you feel Jesus' love, Hawk?

He's a damned Dutch African Boer. He'll be chopped by the Ubangis soon enough.