[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

If what you claim is true; however, it should be pretty easy for you to pull up pictures or video of a Goth doing drugs or selling drugs, since you
claim we do this at concerts and clubs.

Goth who has converted

Urine is sterile? I could have sworn urine could have bacteria in it.

Just another example of you being lazy with research and full of moral depravity, you would drink something you think is full of bacteria.

You can consider it whatever you want. It's a legitimate question to a lot of people. There are many people in the world who believe Jesus
may have been a witch, and that the "miracles" he performed were not from your god, but because he was a witch.

Listen harlot, I have asked you once to keep it civil, but you seem to have no idea of what that means. Jesus is the Son of God, it's in The Bible

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Anyone who can continue to blaspheme His Name in light of this proof is truly of satan. I will thank you to keep your fat, bastard having, whore mouth shut about Our Saviour

YiC

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Derek's site has a prostitution section? How'd I miss that? All I ever saw was Bauhaus this, Solemn Novena that. Where is this section, sweeting? I know some non-Goth freaks who would love to get a little freaky with me?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Derek's site has a prostitution section? How'd I miss that? All I ever saw was Bauhaus this, Solemn Novena that. Where is this section, sweeting? I know some non-Goth freaks who would love to get a little freaky with me?

No doubt you missed it because you were out turning tricks for your master, Satan.

Look slut, you cannot convert True Christians(tm). I just weep for your poor son. How often do you let members of your cult have thier way with him?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Derek's site has a prostitution section? How'd I miss that? All I ever saw was Bauhaus this, Solemn Novena that. Where is this section, sweeting? I know some non-Goth freaks who would love to get a little freaky with me?

Who would want to get freaky with a dwarf?

YIC

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Why is it that goths are always the least informed and the most indignant of the sinners who drool on their keyboards at this Holy Forum? These mouth breathers can't even be bothered to read the facts that have been handed to them on a shining silver platter.

It seems like more work to deny The Truth to me.

• you have to fabricate lies
• find stupid costumes to wear
• develop a hateful attitude towards people who stare at your freakishness
• pretend that the spiritual weight of depravity isn't crushingly heavy.

I'd be worn out having to do all that AND come up with ways to further mock God all the time

Take a Break! Come to Jesus and take a load off!

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

How is an obviously photoshopped or imagine proof of anything? And where is the Bauhaus (or other Goth band) shirt, patch, etc.,
proving the image is of a Goth? Are you going open MSPaint now and edit "Bauhaus" onto his shirt? Even if this was not obviously
edited, how would I know that the smoke coming out of his mouth is from drugs? Cigarettes are not drugs. It could be from cold air.
It could also be from using an asthma inhaler. He could have inhaled the mist from a fog machine, which is really just a coloured
humidifier. Not to mention that one person does not represent the Goth subculture as a whole. And where does the article say what bands he listened to?

How is that an example of me being too lazy to do research? Doctors test urine to look for both drugs, pregnancy, and BACTERIA?
This is why they take urine samples to help figure out the cause of certain illnesses and symptoms. And so now I drink something
even I think is disgusting? If that's the case, why do I no longer speak to Dan Mezewski? Shouldn't I be sitting in a darkened
corner cutting myself, listening to that crap that is MM, and drinking urine with him if I have no problem with such an action?

I know what the word civil means. I am not being rude. I am not insulting you or Jesus. I am pointing out what some people in the world
believe is possible, not what I believe is possible, and suggesting that if you really want to "help" people you need to convince them
with proof THEY WILL ACCEPT. If someone believes their religion is right, they are not going to believe your bible is proof. As I said,
to convince anyone your religion is right, you need to provide proof they will accept. And some of the people you call "evil" or claim
need to be "saved" believe that. I'm giving you advice on how to do what you feel needs to be done. If you don't want to take it, that
is your loss. Also, I don't believe Jesus was a witch, but I do not believe he is the son of your god and I do not
need to. I am Pagan. It is not a Pagan belief. I am not insulting your beliefs, just disagreeing with them. Why would you expect a
Pagan to call him the son of god? Even if Mary's body is ever found, it could not even be proven that she was a virgin when she gave
birth. Your only proof of that is the bible, and that cannot be backed up. Nor would a virgin birth mean that he was anyway. There were
many virgin births, or births by gods, in many religions.

And can't you provide proof of anything and respond without calling people names? And you call me uncivilized.

Also, you people know perfectly well my comment to Derek was a joke. Is it considered civilized or mature now to pretend it was a serious
comment so that you can send me an infraction?


How were Greeks barbaric? What did they do that was barbaric? Please give me an example, other than "they weren't Baptists."

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

How were Greeks barbaric? What did they do that was barbaric? Please give me an example, other than "they weren't Baptists."

Ever hear the expression "the Greeks had a word for it"? Well just one of those words was παιδεραστία, which is the origin of the English word pederasty.

If only you had a dictionary, you'd be able to look it up.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

No, I missed it because it doens't exist.

I'm not the one trying to convert anyone.

My son is not being abused in any way.

I didn't say me, I said people I know. And I didn't say the people I know were freaks either. Please don't edit my posts.
If you can see through my so-called tricks, you shouldn't even have to. And I was obviously joking.

Derek is a dwarf? I thought he looked a normal height.

What facts have been handed to us? I read your article about your "Goth turned paster." Where does it say in the article
what bands he listened to? It does not. Where is the proof this man wass ever a Goth? What other facts have been handed to us?

Neither Derek nor I have lied.
We only wear costumes on Halloween and for costume theme parties and events. All other clothes are clothes, not costumes.
Most real Goths do not have a hateful attitude toward anyone, even those starring at them. Goths are polite, and generally
just ignore starring.

No one is mocking your god, just asking for proof because you claim you are right and we are wrong, and that you need to
"save us."

And by the way, how many computers have you actually managed to infect with malware? You know we have anti-virus software
that blocks this, right? And what is with the infractions anyway? Do we get banned if we got so many? I have notice that
a lot of people over the years have been banned from the site. I thought you said Jesus sent us here to be saved? How can
you save us if you ban us? And wouldn't a true Christian not give up on anyone?

Did you know, that my business has actually been requested upon occasion to vend at Christian and Baptist church flea markets?

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

[QUOTE]

How is an obviously photoshopped or imagine proof of anything? And where is the Bauhaus (or other Goth band) shirt, patch, etc.,
proving the image is of a Goth? Are you going open MSPaint now and edit "Bauhaus" onto his shirt? Even if this was not obviously
edited, how would I know that the smoke coming out of his mouth is from drugs? Cigarettes are not drugs. It could be from cold air.
It could also be from using an asthma inhaler. He could have inhaled the mist from a fog machine, which is really just a coloured
humidifier. Not to mention that one person does not represent the Goth subculture as a whole. And where does the article say what bands he listened to?

I really grow quite weary of all your shucking and jiving. Just accept that the subculture you have decided to mindlessly follow is full of deviants, whores and junkies, plus any combination thereof.

How is that an example of me being too lazy to do research? Doctors test urine to look for both drugs, pregnancy, and BACTERIA?
This is why they take urine samples to help figure out the cause of certain illnesses and symptoms.

A urine culture is a test to find and identify germs (usually bacteria) that may be causing a urinary tract infection (UTI). Urine in the bladder normally is sterile-it does not contain any bacteria or other organisms (such as fungi). But bacteria can enter the urethra and cause an infection.

This infection is a direct result of your deathstyle choices, God smites any bacteria from the bladder of a True Christian™

I know what the word civil means. I am not being rude. I am not insulting you or Jesus.

I beg to differ, you came to a True Christian™ Forum to blaspheme and mock God. It is quite clear you have no concept of civility.

And can't you provide proof of anything and respond without calling people names? And you call me uncivilized.

We just look and report what we see. If you are looking for someone to coo and smile over whatever pathetic uninformed opinions drop out of your semen stained mouth, go talk to your mother. She is probably damaged enough to still love you

Also, you people know perfectly well my comment to Derek was a joke. Is it considered civilized or mature now to pretend it was a serious
comment so that you can send me an infraction?

What do earthly infractions matter? We're not the ones sending you to Hell, you're skipping and jumping to get there apparently

1 Timothy 1:10 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

How were Greeks barbaric? What did they do that was barbaric? Please give me an example, other than "they weren't Baptists."

Idolatry, blood sport, kiddy rapists, Socrates,...the list goes on and on

YiC
DAM

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

[QUOTE=Dec Abdiel Mordecai;1020645]

I really grow quite weary of all your shucking and jiving. Just accept that the subculture you have decided to mindlessly follow is full of deviants, whores and junkies, plus any combination thereof.

A urine culture is a test to find and identify germs (usually bacteria) that may be causing a urinary tract infection (UTI). Urine in the bladder normally is sterile-it does not contain any bacteria or other organisms (such as fungi). But bacteria can enter the urethra and cause an infection.

This infection is a direct result of your deathstyle choices, God smites any bacteria from the bladder of a True Christian™


I beg to differ, you came to a True Christian™ Forum to blaspheme and mock God. It is quite clear you have no concept of civility.


We just look and report what we see. If you are looking for someone to coo and smile over whatever pathetic uninformed opinions drop out of your semen stained mouth, go talk to your mother. She is probably damaged enough to still love you

What do earthly infractions matter? We're not the ones sending you to Hell, you're skipping and jumping to get there apparently

1 Timothy 1:10 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Idolatry, blood sport, kiddy rapists, Socrates,...the list goes on and on

YiC
DAM

I have not decided to mindlessly follow anything. I heard some bands, liked them, looked into them, found out what they were,
and looked into finding more and finding out about the music movement and subculture. That's not a mindless action.

The Goth subculture is not full of whores or druggies, and you cannot prove that it is because it is a lie or an
unfounded suspicion. The druggies are fakes, and usually (if they'reeven old enough) refuse to even enter a real Goth club,
or a club during Goth night, because it's too tame for them.

I have never had an urine infection. Anyway, you believe we're drinking the urine of true Christians now? Because you just said
a few minutes ago that the urine we are supposedly drinking is sterile. I thought you believed Goths drank each others urine.

I did not come here to blaspheme or mock your god, nor have I done so. And calling me uncivil? This coming from people who change somneone's screen name,
edit people's post, try to infect them computers with malware, claim to have spies set upon them, claim to contact Interpol on them
for no reason, make unfounded accusations, slander a group of people and call people names, etc., It is not uncivil to politely ask for
evidence to proof your claims.

You look and report what you see? Really? If you have seen these things in the Goth scene, why can't you prove it? Why can't you provide
photographic or video evidence? Why can't you provide a link to a Goth site that supports what you claim Goths are?

I'm sorry, I don't swallow cum, so my mouth is not semen stained. My opinions are not pathetic or uniformed. Try looking in the mirror
because I'm still waiting for authentic proof.

Again, please provide evidence that the Greeks did these things. Not that it really matters, considering I am worshiping a goddess that
was pretty much forgotten as being a goddess by the Greeks themselves, and I do condone or participate in blood sport, rape, child molesting,
etc., And what exactly do you mean by idol? I have already asked which definition you are referring to.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

My son is not being abused in any way.

I suppose it all hinges on where you draw the line, doesn't it? Nailing genitals to the table and terrifying him by dressing as the undead may seem normal to you, but to me, well, I'd class it as abuse.

I didn't say me, I said people I know. And I didn't say the people I know were freaks either.

Obviously your base line of where freaks begins differs from the view of the silent majority also.

What facts have been handed to us? I read your article about your "Goth turned paster." Where does it say in the article
what bands he listened to? It does not. Where is the proof this man was ever a Goth? What other facts have been handed to us?

This is the classic "No true Scotsman argument.":

You say, "All goths are nice people." I say, "What about that drug-crazed whore who ate her own fetus?" And you reply, "No true Goth would do that - she was not a goth."

See what you did there? If it doesn't conform to your biased and self-invented definition, then the person was not a goth, even if they showed all the classic hallmarks.

Most real Goths do not have a hateful attitude toward anyone,

In which case, you are saying "Some real Goths do have a hateful attitude toward everyone."

We here at Landover study the hateful, evil and the abominable to find why they do not love Jesus.

No one is mocking your god, just asking for proof because you claim you are right and we are wrong, and that you need to "save us."

Look. The thing is goths are weird: everyone knows that. Christians are normal: everyone knows that.

So it's you who has to make the running. Not us or Jesus.

And by the way, how many computers have you actually managed to infect with malware?

As of yesterday 15:00 local time, 3,671,451. We think souls are more important than computers. What do you think?

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I suppose it all hinges on where you draw the line, doesn't it? Nailing genitals to the table and terrifying him by dressing as the undead may seem normal to you, but to me, well, I'd class it as abuse.Obviously your base line of where freaks begins differs from the view of the silent majority also.

This is the classic "No true Scotsman argument.":

You say, "All goths are nice people." I say, "What about that drug-crazed whore who ate her own fetus?" And you reply, "No true Goth would do that - she was not a goth."

See what you did there? If it doesn't conform to your biased and self-invented definition, then the person was not a goth, even if they showed all the classic hallmarks.In which case, you are saying "Some real Goths do have a hateful attitude toward everyone."

We here at Landover study the hateful, evil and the abominable to find why they do not love Jesus.Look. The thing is goths are weird: everyone knows that. Christians are normal: everyone knows that.

So it's you who has to make the running. Not us or Jesus.

As of yesterday 15:00 local time, 3,671,451. We think souls are more important than computers. What do you think?

No, it doesn't hinge on where you draw the line. Abuse is abuse. No one nails anything
on my son to anything. Nor is he terrified as anything I wear, nor do I "dress like the undead." What exactly does that mean anyway? A vampire? A zombie? a corpse?

Sorry, but a freak is someone with a deformity.

The only thing I said no true Goth would do, is not listen to Goth Rock. A Goth is a fan
of Goth Rock. Please providence evidence that a fan of Goth Rock has committed/done any of the things you say they have. It's not my definition, nor is it self-invented.
The Goth subculture was defined before I was born. You cannot change the definition to find your closed-minded and stereotypical view, nor could I change the defintion to defend it. Just as I, or anyone else, cannot change the definition of what a Baptist is to insult or defend them. Nor have I denied that there are probably some bad seeds in the Goth subculture. There are bad seeds everywhere. What I have said, is that what one or a few people have done does not define a group as a whole, especially when the amount of people in that group number 1,000 or more. If you can provide me with evidence that any
real Goth has done something wrong, I will not deny it. You just have yet to do so. Honestly, I know a Goth who is rumoured to be in jail for molesting children. I do not deny this. Nor do I deny that he is a Goth. I used to talk to him online before I heard this rumour, so I know his music tastes, and some of them were Goth bands. I say it is a rumour because I have seen no proof that he is in jail for it. It's something I've heard.
I haven't spoken to the guy since I ran into him at a concert and decided he didn't seem right in the head. I also know of a case where a Darkwave fan (which is Goth music) kicked a girl's face in with his steel toed boots, and she had to have reconstructive surgery. I do not deny this, nor that he was Goth. These are two people, not 1,000+ people. Was there not someone who was banned from this site for apparently being a "Goth in disguise"? One of your own reverands? Does this mean that all Baptists are Goths in disguise deep down? No it does not. Every "evidence" I have seen on this site, or on GodhatesGoths.com used to prove that "Goth is evil" has been about people who were not actually fans of Goth Rock. So you haven't added to the two cases I know of. All you have done is prove that you don't actually know what Goth Rock is. If you want to prove the subculture is bad, provide proof of actual Goths doing bad things, not proof of a bunch of mentally ill idiots who don't listen to Goth Rock doing bad things.

I also never said all Goths are nice people. I said most. Some Goths probably do have hateful attitudes. As I said, the subculture is 1,000+, and there are bad people in every scene. When we know of them, most of us avoid them. The local clubs here for example do not allow drama or hateful attitudes.

Weird is in the eye of the beholder.

I doubt you have infected that many. Is that the number of "Goths" who have joined this site? As I said, a lot of people have good anti-virus software. Not to mention that infecting someone's computer with malware is illegal. Should I contact interpol with your confession?

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

No, it doesn't hinge on where you draw the line. Abuse is abuse. followed by a bunch of nonsense

Just because you want to sit around here, split hairs and apologize for a group of child molesters and sadistic thugs, does not mean that any of your assertions can be considered valid.

Please understand that we are here providing a service to you, the proper response for you is to learn not to 'teach'

Proverbs 1:5 - A wise [man] will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

Proverbs 18:15 - The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.


And show due respect to your True Creator

1Corintians 14:34
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.


YiC
DAM

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Who is apologizing for a group of child molesters or sadistic thugs? Other than no one. The Goth subculture is not a "group of child molesters and sadistic thugs." It's a group of fans of Goth Rock.

What service are you providing? Promotion of hatred and violence and unfounded accusations towards a group of thousands or more, based one what a few people, the ones you use as evidence not even being Goth, have done?

I do not believe in your god. I am not Christian. But I have shown no disrespect toward your god, except in your misguided minds, and I am not going to start.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

.....
Honestly, I know a Goth who is rumoured to be in jail for molesting children. I do not deny this. Nor do I deny that he is a Goth.....

I also know of a case where a Darkwave fan (which is Goth music) kicked a girl's face in with his steel toed boots, and she had to have reconstructive surgery. I do not deny this, nor that he was Goth. ....proof of a bunch of mentally ill idiots ....

I also never said all Goths are nice people. .....

Weird is in the eye of the beholder.
.

Who is apologizing for a group of child molesters or sadistic thugs? Other than no one. The Goth subculture .....

I do not believe in your god. I am not Christian....

...and I am not going to start.

It does not take much to read between the lines and see your burning hatered, so typical of you people, for all that is good and decent in the world.
I'll pray for your bastard son, even though he is doomed to the fires of Hell due to your hate.