[Jonathan Thomas]

Re: STOP being Left-handed!!!

dolores,

Hello Mr. Thomas, and welcome to this forum! I hope you will find here answers to questions you seek. This community may seem rough on the edges but they mean well, they really want you, and everybody else here, to read the Bible and accept it as is rather than as we would like it to be.

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No, I believe having an open mind,

That is a great thing to believe.

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seeing the miracle that is all around us
Which miracles are you talking about here, Mr. Thomas? Because there is a lot of ethnic cleansing, exploitation, disease, and other forms of suffering in the world, and for me, all that makes seeing the good things more difficult.

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and respecting it as well as ALL of gods creations as equals will though.
OK. So you are saying that a KKK member or a neonazi should be treated with equal respect as any other person. I won't argue with that, but the fact you are talking about "God's creations" means your mind is less open than you would want us to believe. Did you consider the possibility that nothing in this world is God's creation?

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but I respect the fact that men should not be the ones doing that judging in the name of ANY one!
So, we should get rid of the police, judges, and juries? Just let everybody do their thing without judging them nor putting away those who harm others?

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I have enough respect for God to believe he has it figured out without our help
Again, your closed mind is showing. How do you know there is a God? If there is a God, how do you know He cares about people


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Hello Mr. Thomas. Thank you for your kind reply to a small part of my post.

What I am wondering, is how come you still claim to believe in a God that created stuff on Earth despite your knowledge of borrowings within ancient religions?


Because I look at the same evidence and it just looks made up to me. Plus, when I look at all the hatred and suffering created by religions, I cannot stop myself from wondering why God would permit such atrocities - does He like it? Does He not care? Is He unable to help - in which case it would be completely useless to pray to Him? Or - and this is where you need to keep your mind really widely open - maybe He does not exist at all?


maybe you have a memory problem? You asked all of this BEFORE any of the accusations of plagiarism. hopefully this alleviates your confusion. Re-reading these does make one wonder why mary and joanna would be asking the opinion of someone who says they do not believe god exists...

[Dolores de Barriga]

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dolores,

maybe you have a memory problem? You asked all of this BEFORE any of the accusations of plagiarism. hopefully this alleviates your confusion.

It does, thank you, Mr. Thomas. I completely forgot about these, since you kept ignoring them, I just gave up on them.

Re-reading these does make one wonder why mary and joanna would be asking the opinion of someone who says they do not believe god exists...

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!


Now that we have cleared these issues, I am impatiently waiting for your thoughtful essay defending the thesis that my arguments are amateur. I do expect a critical engagement with my arguments, while avoiding traps of common logical fallacies!

By the way - you really should learn how to quote properly.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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[Mary Etheldreda]

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Plus, when I look at all the hatred and suffering created by religions, I cannot stop myself from wondering why God would permit such atrocities - does He like it? Does He not care? Is He unable to help - in which case it would be completely useless to pray to Him? Or - and this is where you need to keep your mind really widely open -

This is the Great Hoax New Atheists have been telling their patrons for years now. They throw this out so the new recruits of Satan's army don't feel guilty for sinning, for throwing life away in a tissue or the bottom of a dirty sock, for sleeping in on Sunday rather than going to church and singing hymns and listening to how the Word of God can apply to their lives today.

maybe He does not exist at all?

Nonsense. Jesus is all-knowing and all-powerful. He created the world out of nothingness through the Mighty and Divine Power of His Word. History shows He punished mankind for being gullible and prideful, and so He eventually incarnated Himself in Human flesh and came down to shed His Own Blood so He could adhere to His Own rules for the sake of those of us who believe. The Word of God tells us He floated up through the clouds and is seated in Heaven where we cannot see Him but nevertheless He can see and hear and silently communicate with us. This is self evident to anyone who pays attention to reality.

But if you like to pretend in the magical explanation that in the beginning there was nothing, and nothing became everything with no cause whatsoever, have at it. The world will laugh at you and you, and rightfully so. Then Jesus will (Psalms 2:4), and righteously so!

[Jonathan Thomas]

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dolores,

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!






Not on this site it is not. Lets see, any true christians feel that there is no god?
You agree, or do you damn her to eternal hellfire?


And I know how to quote, but this is a forum and as such I could care less about being grammatically correct. The purpose is getting your point across. Were I writing in order to be published or graded, I would actually feel inclined to be more professional. Same reason Plagiarism does not apply here actually

[Dolores de Barriga]

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dolores,

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!

Not on this site it is not. Lets see, any true christians feel that there is no god?

No. That is what defines them as Christians, they believe in God.

You agree, or do you damn her to eternal hellfire?

Are you talking to me? Yes, I know I am in danger of eternal hellfire in case if Judeo-Christian God exists.

What does that have to do with the issue I have raised, that it is possible to agree on some issues while disagreeing on other?

And I know how to quote, but this is a forum and as such I could care less about being grammatically correct.

It's not about being grammatically correct, it is about being comprehensible.


You start a quote with [ quote] - without the extra space, as I want to show you the command rather than trigger it - and you end a quote with [ /quote]. Not rocket science, really.

The purpose is getting your point across.

No, the purpose of a forum is to reach a conclusion, distilling a synthesis between the thesis and antithesis.

If you just want to get your point across without listening to others, feel free to create a blog.

Were I writing in order to be published or graded, I would actually feel inclined to be more professional.

Then what incentive would I, or anyone else on this forum, have to engage in a discussion with you?

Same reason Plagiarism does not apply here actually

I am sorry, but that's baloney, and you yourself have proven that in the definition of plagiarism you have provided:

According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, to "plagiarize" means:

• to use (another's production) without crediting the source

Do I understand correctly, that you are not willing to critically discuss the text you plagiarized, and you are not willing to prove your thesis regarding the quality of my arguments?


Well, at least I tried. I rest my case.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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dolores,

read again my posts. if you do not want to i will summarize;


reproducing without citing is an example of how plagiarism was carried out. NOT the definition! again, Plagiarism must include the intent of fraud. But way to cherry pick!


Also, getting your point across is indeed a key factor in discussion in order to reach said conclusion. my point being the antithesis to your thesis.


And yes, I will address your other requests. Hold your horses lol It would be easier to get to your questions if people would not keep whining with slanderous infractions. Perhaps this is not the best place to discuss though? I actually do appreciate your valid and worthwhile commentary and value real thinking. I apologize if I insulted you or demeaned your comments as yours were the most thought out I have seen aside from maybe elmer white. And although our definitions of plagiarism differs, I would like to say that most of what got posted without citation was in a frantic defense against multiple people. And I actually would start citing in a discussion with you if i referenced others, but I was enjoying riling people up over it. The fact is though, citing does not matter to me much on here because half the people here do not even read it after seeing anything that does not fit into their little box. And being that most of what I posted without citation can be seen posted in numerous different threads by people who did cite and were banned from the site. As such, it is a reasonable assumption that this community would know it was not mine and there would be no confusion. Indeed, one of the infractions i received from mary even stated that one post was "all over the internet" But I will try to be more respectful to you as you have done for me.




Oh and no, I was not asking you about the belief in god. I was asking people like mary who responded exactly as I expected. I wanted to show that yes, rational people can have differences but you should not assume these people feel that way. there is even a post on here entitled "god hates rational thinking"

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I wanted to show that yes, rational people can have differences

In all my days, I never knew until you came and showed me the light! This must be why you have the light bulb of the month award.

there is even a post on here entitled "god hates rational thinking"

Imagine that! A thread on a church forum talking about what the Bible says!

Will wonders never cease?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence.

Mrs Barruga, I find myself ever so slightly embarrassed here. I would never have referred to you as "that Dolores woman" if I had thought for a moment that you would read it. I will be more careful in future and hope you will find it in your heart to excuse my carelessness.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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mary,

You are quite welcome.






Joanna,


Mrs Barruga, I find myself ever so slightly embarrassed here. I would never have referred to you as "that Dolores woman" if I had thought for a moment that you would read it. I will be more careful in future and hope you will find it in your heart to excuse my carelessness.



a bit transparent, don´t you think

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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What? I wasn't talking to you. Do you think it appropriate to stick your oar into other people's conversations?

[Jonathan Thomas]

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joanna,

public forum in which I was already involved. By your rational, you should never have become involved in discussion with me in the first place as I was speaking to someone else and you invited yourself into the conversation. Of course, I would never say that because it is ridiculous.


It is nice though that it is public because everyone can see this;


"I would never have referred to you as "that Dolores woman" if I had thought for a moment that you would read it."


God does not like two faced people joanna! Iguess I will save a spot right next to me in the place you say I am damned to.


Matthew 23:28

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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You seem very angry, dear. Have you been outside today? When my children are a little fractious, I find that a sending them for long walk in the fresh air or a swim in the sea calms them down.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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dolores,

read again my posts. if you do not want to i will summarize;

reproducing without citing is an example of how plagiarism was carried out. NOT the definition!

Please note that the examples of plagiarism were included, by you, as part of the dictionary definition of the term. An analogy: it's like saying, that an apple is just an example of a fruit, but not really a fruit.

Plagiarism must include the intent of fraud.

Indeed. That's exactly why copying or paraphrasing without citing the source material is plagiarism.

Perhaps this is not the best place to discuss though?

This a church forum and as such it is adequate to discuss religion. If you wish, we can move to another thread, though.

But PLEASE try learn how to quote properly with the quote command, because it is very tiresome reading what you quote and separating the quoted text from new additions.

I would like to say that most of what got posted without citation was in a frantic defense against multiple people. And I actually would start citing in a discussion with you if i referenced others, but I was enjoying riling people up over it.

Yeah, that kinda sounds like Trump being happy that his audience at the UN was laughing with him and not at him... that may have happened in some parallel universe, but right here, I don't think anyone here was "riled" by your performance. I saw more of rolling eyes and sighting type of responses. You are not the first person to burst here and yell at them that they are wrong, you see.

there is even a post on here entitled "god hates rational thinking"

Yes, and I do encourage you to read it. It is well researched and backed by the Bible, which is the sole source of information about what God likes and what He hates.

Mrs Barruga, I find myself ever so slightly embarrassed here. I would never have referred to you as "that Dolores woman" if I had thought for a moment that you would read it. I will be more careful in future and hope you will find it in your heart to excuse my carelessness.

Mrs. Lytton-Vasey, no apologies needed! This little corner of the internet belongs to the Landover community, and I am just a guest here.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Joanna,

Not angry at all. If anything I am saddened to see another self professed true Christian desperate for the love of god but unwilling to live in accordance with his will. I was only repaying your kindness of helping, (tit for tat) whilst warning you of where God says you will go if you continue on your path.
Perhaps what you were sensing was Gods righteous anger with you--
Will you make your suggestion to him I wonder? Would not surprise me, coming from a sinner.