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  • Cheshire
    True Christian™
    True Christian™
    • Jan 2008
    • 213

    #16
    Re: So God gave us free will.

    God gave us free will so we could obey His every command.

    Not so we coould fornicate with our same sex and piss on statues of Christ.
    Repent, or be tortured in nasty ways with sharp, pointy things!

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    • Seeker
      Thank you Pastor Pistle!
      Forum Member
      • Aug 2007
      • 966

      #17
      Re: So God gave us free will.

      Originally posted by Enigmatic Harpo Marx View Post
      I guess a better question then is if God knows who is going to Hell and who is going to Heaven, then why didn't he just distribute us accordingly?
      He did.

      If the Lord leads you to it, he will get you through it.

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      • anon11
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        • Feb 2008
        • 23

        #18
        Re: So God gave us free will.

        Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
        We don't really have a free will. God knows what we will chose when He created us due to His prefect knowledge. Free will is an illusion created by our limited human perspective.

        if thats true then every abortion,murder, act of sodomy,idolatry,bigotry,and pretty much every bad thing were already planned out by god. Witch is interesting considering quite a few of these are transgressions against god. Why would god plan out a transgression against himself?

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        • Cheshire
          True Christian™
          True Christian™
          • Jan 2008
          • 213

          #19
          Re: So God gave us free will.

          Originally posted by anon11 View Post
          if thats true then every abortion,murder, act of sodomy,idolatry,bigotry,and pretty much every bad thing were already planned out by god. Witch is interesting considering quite a few of these are transgressions against god. Why would god plan out a transgression against himself?

          That's satans doing.

          You should know that by now.
          Repent, or be tortured in nasty ways with sharp, pointy things!

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          • anon11
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            • Feb 2008
            • 23

            #20
            Re: So God gave us free will.

            Originally posted by Cheshire View Post
            That's satans doing.

            You should know that by now.
            Does that mean that god plans out all of satans actions too?

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            • Bobby-Joe
              Landover Security Superviser
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              True Christian™
              • Sep 2006
              • 18405

              #21
              Re: So God gave us free will.

              Originally posted by anon11 View Post
              Does that mean that god plans out all of satans actions too?
              Of course, Satan is an angel, an extension of God and therefor has no will of his own. That's why Satan is damned to hell with the rest of the sinners.

              Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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              • Mr Godwin
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                Forum Member
                • Dec 2007
                • 123

                #22
                Re: So God gave us free will.

                Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

                Is free will better then a morally neutral constant?

                Free will gives us good, is it not better to have good along with evil then for everything to be the same. And when i say everything would be the same, i really mean it, for if there is difference then there is potentially different levels of some kind of morality and therefore there is good and bad.

                See what I am saying here? Everything the same, or good and evil (with free will).

                Anyway, at the end, it is God's choice and if you think you can find out the answer, go for it. I'd start with the Bible if you are interested in Christianity.
                No, everything is not the same. You get my drift? How did you get that mixed up in the head? You sound like a very mixed up young man.

                I'm an educator. I teach a grammar school. In my school we start the kids off with the basics. This is a Baptist Church. In our church we start mixed up false-christians off with the basics. You get my drift?

                If I were you, Mr Falso, I would dump the morally-neutral-constants and the good-and-evil-the-same jibber jabber, get a KJV1611 Bible and start reading. Standing by.

                Good luck. Mr Godwin.
                Read your Bible, boys and girls. Jesus likes educated people. That's my take on it.

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                • slipknot
                  Confirmed Enemy of God
                  BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5

                  #23
                  Re: So God gave us free will.

                  How about we all just relax have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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                  • Bobby-Joe
                    Landover Security Superviser
                    Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
                    NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
                    True Christian™
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 18405

                    #24
                    Re: So God gave us free will.

                    Originally posted by slipknot View Post
                    How about we all just relax have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE piffle UP.
                    How about you remember you are guest in our forum and we moderators ban on the drop of hat?

                    Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                    • slipknot
                      Confirmed Enemy of God
                      BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5

                      #25
                      Re: So God gave us free will.

                      If god gave us free will, then he would not be omniescient, because he would not be able to determine our actions. If you try to argue that he can still be omniescient and still give us free will at the same time, that won't work. Because with free will, there are an infinite amount of possiblities that can happen. For instance if somebody chooses to become gay because of free will, god can't tell them whether thats right or wrong, because he gave them free will, so he would be questioning his own authority.

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                      • Bobby-Joe
                        Landover Security Superviser
                        Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
                        NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
                        True Christian™
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 18405

                        #26
                        Re: So God gave us free will.

                        Originally posted by slipknot View Post
                        If god gave us free will, then he would not be omniescient, because he would not be able to determine our actions. If you try to argue that he can still be omniescient and still give us free will at the same time, that won't work. Because with free will, there are an infinite amount of possiblities that can happen. For instance if somebody chooses to become gay because of free will, god can't tell them whether thats right or wrong, because he gave them free will, so he would be questioning his own authority.
                        What part of God created the Universe so He can set the rules what ever way He wants. As I said before He made the world so we have no free will and it is our fault. End of discussion.

                        Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                        • Seeker
                          Thank you Pastor Pistle!
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                          • Aug 2007
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                          #27
                          Re: So God gave us free will.

                          God did not want to create robots. He needed somebody to love him. That is why the free will. He knows the ones that will love him and the ones that won't, already.

                          He can do what the hell with his creation that he want's to do.

                          If the Lord leads you to it, he will get you through it.

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                          • Enigmatic Harpo Marx
                            Resident ex-satanist
                            True Christian™
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 488

                            #28
                            Re: So God gave us free will.

                            Originally posted by Seeker View Post
                            He did.
                            Than what's the point of even bothering with having an earth? Why am I not in Hell right now?

                            He made the world so we have no free world and it is our fault.
                            Wow, God sure is twisted if this is the case. Maybe I'd like him better than I had originally thought.
                            Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Death, I will fear no evil...

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                            • Seeker
                              Thank you Pastor Pistle!
                              Forum Member
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 966

                              #29
                              Re: So God gave us free will.

                              Than what's the point of even bothering with having an earth? Why am I not in Hell right now?
                              For I know the Plans I have for you, thus declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you.
                              Plans to give you hope and a future.

                              Jeremiah 29:11

                              If the Lord leads you to it, he will get you through it.

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                              • Enigmatic Harpo Marx
                                Resident ex-satanist
                                True Christian™
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 488

                                #30
                                Re: So God gave us free will.

                                Originally posted by Seeker View Post
                                For I know the Plans I have for you, thus declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you.
                                Plans to give you hope and a future.

                                Jeremiah 29:11
                                I don't speak Bible, you're gonna have to explain it to me in a different way.
                                Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Death, I will fear no evil...

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