[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

Well firstly, masturbation is not sex. Sex is intercourse, it involves more then one person, always.

BUT, if sex is releasing seed, for a man, I would ask you is it therefore ok for women to masturbate? They release no seed. In theory, barring them from impure thoughts, they could do it.

We already have a thread dedicated to that topic.

I will warn you in advance that it is not provided for your tennaged tittilation.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

Well firstly, masturbation is not sex. Sex is intercourse, it involves more then one person, always.

Oh yes, here we go with the Darwinist spin on this. I suppose when Sister Talitha grabbed the fly of my pants when she was trying to clean up the tea she spilt on me that was “sex” according to you secularist? No, I go by the Christian definition of sex and that means seed release.

BUT, if sex is releasing seed, for a man, I would ask you is it therefore ok for women to masturbate? They release no seed. In theory, barring them from impure thoughts, they could do it.

It’s the same thing; God goes by intentions as well as deeds. Remember Abraham’s wife Sarah was cursed with bareness because Abraham claimed Sarah was his sister to keep her from getting raped by Pharaoh. God has no time for incest so He cursed Sarah for sleeping with her fake brother. The same applies to female masturbation; because woman masturbator is thinking of having sex with a man during this disgusting lesbian act her intention is to waste seed and murder the un-conceived for her own selfish pleasure. Therefore female masturbation is the same as male masturbation.

I think we both agree friend that murdering people for your' pleasure is evil. That is what masturbation is.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

because woman masturbator is thinking of having sex with a man during this disgusting lesbian act her intention is to waste seed and murder the un-conceived for her own selfish pleasure.

My hypothesis was that if the man or woman was not thinking sinful thoughts while masturbating. I am proposing that masturbation is not INHERENTLY evil, just like back scratching or lip licking. Please reconsider your post.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

My hypothesis was that if the man or woman was not thinking sinful thoughts while masturbating. I am proposing that masturbation is not INHERENTLY evil, just like back scratching or lip licking. Please reconsider your post.

How is murder not inherently evil?

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

A woman murders no seed in masturbation.

[DJ Troll]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

"Seed" is not a human being. It's half of a human being (after a sperm's 23 chromosomes are matched with a the 23 chromosomes in an egg) therefore not murder. If it is murder, I have a higher bodycount that Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Mussilini, the black plague, and AIDS combined!!!
And I will NEVER stop!!!!!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

"Seed" is not a human being. It's half of a human being (after a sperm's 23 chromosomes are matched with a the 23 chromosomes in an egg) therefore not murder. If it is murder, I have a higher bodycount that Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Mussilini, the black plague, and AIDS combined!!!
And I will NEVER stop!!!!!

#1) Where are these "chromersomes" mentioned in the Holy Bible?

#2) When you find yourself up to your ears in scalding hot sulfur, please remember all the souls you slaughtered.

Enjoy hell, pervert. The Bible tells us to have nothing to do with scum like you.

1Cor:9-11
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

"Seed" is not a human being. It's half of a human being (after a sperm's 23 chromosomes are matched with a the 23 chromosomes in an egg) therefore not murder. If it is murder, I have a higher bodycount that Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Mussilini, the black plague, and AIDS combined!!!
And I will NEVER stop!!!!!

What do "chromosomes" have to do with this? We are talking about souls not physical bodies. The thing that makes a human that special creation of God and not another animal. The question is when does the soul come into the body. It is clear the Bible says it is with seed.

This is very important; the soul only gets one shot at life. There is none of this reincarnation nonsense. That's is just a ludicrous myth. If the soul doesn't get to the point it can stand up in church and tell Jesus it loves Him then that soul is going to hell for eternal punishment. Needless to say if that soul's body ends up on a sock or a Kleenex it an't going to go to church.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

#1) Where are these "chromersomes" mentioned in the Holy Bible?

#2) When you find yourself up to your ears in scalding hot sulfur, please remember all the souls you slaughtered.

Enjoy hell, pervert. The Bible tells us to have nothing to do with scum like you.

1Cor:9-11
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Just a FYI that passage mentions fornicators not masturbators. Masturbation is never specifically outlawed in the Bible, only looseness and wantonness which masturbation can be put under if impure thoughts are used to aid the process. Inherently therefore there is nothing wrong with maturbation - if no seed is being killed, ie in the case of a woman.

The seed question is another interesting question, as we have stated, God has pre-ordained which seeds are successful, one out of million is successful. If you ever lay with your wife, you damn millions to hell. So if you masturbate, you are just getting rid of more and more hell-bound duds, right?

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

And I will NEVER stop!!!!!

Dear Friend,

A little snip and you could stop quite easily. Trust me, I know!


ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ITS THE ONLY ANSWER, friend!

[MacDaddy]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

Just a FYI that passage mentions fornicators not masturbators. Masturbation is never specifically outlawed in the Bible,

Matthew 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So, yes it has been specifically outlawed in the bible.

And to answer your arguments that I'm sure will come next....

Looking at a man and lusting is much worse and you will find scripture all over the website to support that

As for the women masturbating/lusting/looketh/whatever, who cares? they are Satans Tools anyway and it is too be expected

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

Just a FYI that passage mentions fornicators not masturbators. Masturbation is never specifically outlawed in the Bible, only looseness and wantonness which masturbation can be put under if impure thoughts are used to aid the process. Inherently therefore there is nothing wrong with maturbation - if no seed is being killed, ie in the case of a woman.

The seed question is another interesting question, as we have stated, God has pre-ordained which seeds are successful, one out of million is successful. If you ever lay with your wife, you damn millions to hell. So if you masturbate, you are just getting rid of more and more hell-bound duds, right?

No, when you are abusing yourself you going against the process as God decreed and damning that one out of million that was meant for your' wife. God wants in free will after all.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

Mac-daddy my hypothesis was that masturbation might not be inherently evil, it is just used evilly by thinking of sinful things, like women. So masturbation is therefore not outlawed by that bible verse.

And Billy joe, although I was reluctant to get on to seed - again, God gave us the ability to masturbate and didn't outlaw it directly in his book, so i don't see how you can call it abusing ourselves and going against his purpose. It would be like saying back scratching is outlawed because it is "lascivious".

Does it say every seed must be released in sexual intercourse? No.. but we agree that every seed that is successful is chosen by God to be successful over the others, ones that get released in masturbation are therefore all duds and always were going to be.

And as for Women - have we agreed they can masturbate (without sin) in this thread now? Since they release no seed?

Not that I've ever masturbated here people - I am just trying to philosophise God position on it.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

It's half of a human being

So are dwarfs.
So do you murder dwarfs too, you vile homer?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Please Pray for Chronic Masturbators

And Billy joe, although I was reluctant to get on to seed - again, God gave us the ability to masturbate and didn't outlaw it directly in his book, so i don't see how you can call it abusing ourselves and going against his purpose. It would be like saying back scratching is outlawed because it is "lascivious".

Does it say every seed must be released in sexual intercourse? No.. but we agree that every seed that is successful is chosen by God to be successful over the others, ones that get released in masturbation are therefore all duds and always were going to be.

The seed chosen by God is the key point. Not the seed chosen by man while he is madly servicing himself in his disgusting depravity. God gets to chose who lives and dies, who is saved and damned, not you and not me. He didn’t outlaw masturbation out right because He gave us a brain. There is an underlying logic here’ sodomy bad, bestiality bad and not reproductive sex in general is bad. Why? Seed murder. So the same goes for masturbation.

Remember God struck Onan deed for attempted birth control?

And as for Women - have we agreed they can masturbate (without sin) in this thread now? Since they release no seed?

No! As MacDaddy pointed out female masturbation is still a sin in the mind and God counts those.

Not that I've ever masturbated here people - I am just trying to philosophise God position on it.

Well the truth on that is between you friend and The Lord.