[Deaner]

Re: Pray for doctors to stop treating Amy Copeland

I'd kinda like to see the end result. I've been praying that she survives until she's nothing but a walking, talking bag of bones. That'd be freaky and scare the shit out of any non-Christians.

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Pray for doctors to stop treating Amy Copeland

The Greek word translated “fulfill” is [blah blah blah]

Why do these pompous Biblical "scholars" have to take the plain meaning of the King James Version and try to pick about and dissect some word with its supposed nuanced meaning in Greek? We are reading the KJV1611.

If by “fulfill,” you mean that Jesus came to do the Law exactly as it was written, that would mean that Jesus’ primary purpose in His life was not to sacrifice Himself for us because His primary purpose was to merely do what the Law says.

Jesus came to fulfill the prophesies about a Messiah who would correspond to the characteristics of Jesus. I am amazed that you don't understand that. You are just an internet copier/paster without an understanding of Christian theology already mastered by most 7-year olds.

[/quote]Galatians 3:19 says that the Law was added “till the seed should come to whom the promise was made.” See that word “till”? That’s also the word Jesus used when He said “till all be fulfilled” in Matthew 5:19. Jesus fulfilled God’s Old Covenant by dying on the cross as payment for our sins.[/quote]

God's old covenant was "follow my rules and I'll give you land." Why would that need to be abrogated in order to have a new, additional one?

Besides, my Bible still has an Old Testament and you cannot deprive me of my right to read it and follow it. I am sick of you anti-religious atheists trying to tell me that my Bible is irrelevant. MY FAITH IS BASED ON THE WHOLE BIBLE.

I agree; however, that doesn’t mean that God answers every prayer.

Yes it does. I already proved that.

God hasn’t told any of us why Amy Copeland is still sick. We can say what we want and back up our assumptions with Scripture, but ultimately, we have no idea that those apply. In one part of the Bible, God may do something for one reason, and in another part, he may do the same thing for a different reason. In our day, He may do (or not do) something and have a completely different reason. For all we know, we haven't prayed enough for Amy's healing. But unless God specifically revealed something to us for this event, we just don’t know.

False. God spoke to me and told me I was right.

ExGay Alex: what if no one sinned to cause his blindness? The "seven generations" explanation could be correct, but since the disciples never asked and Jesus never answered, we really don't know. Your explanation is no more than a guess and assumption.

No. Sin causes blindness. The guy was blind. Therefore somebody sinned.

You flunk Logic 101.

I do not assume. I study and reach conclusions.

You assume too much. You assume you are right and we are wrong. Therefore, you reach the wrong conclusions. You should stop pontificating and debating and limit yourself to praising Jesus and learning from us.

it would be foolish for us to pretend we know God's mind.

We know what is on God's mind. The Bible tells us so.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Pray for doctors to stop treating Amy Copeland

I never said that. God has His reasons for doing or allowing things and, like with Job's friends, it would be foolish for us to pretend we know God's mind.

At least you are wise enough to recognize that Aimee Copeland lost her hands and feet because God wanted her to.

Was it a bet? Was it because she was a sinner who needed to learn a horrific lesson? Was it because He wanted to torment her to teach other sinners a lesson, like when He starves poor children in Africa to death to teach Americans to appreciate what they have?

I don't know. I do know it was His Will that she suffer horrible agony and permanent disfigurement for some reason, and I'm glad you do, as well.

[Deaner]

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... You know Ron White has the best saying ever...I believe he had you mind when he spoke these brilliant words...you can't fix stupid.

You also can't fix when God decides to eat you from the genitals on up, from the inside out and from the outside in with an incurable disease... stupid.

[VictorVektor]

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Your wish does not seem to be reflected in your actions. If you are here to debate, please be honest about it.

True. I apologize—I thought I had removed that part in a previous draft, but I guess I hadn’t. I did notice it after I posted, but this forum lacks an “edit” button.

You seem to be overlooking Matthew 5:17-19 which teaches us Jesus was not here to destroy the old laws but to fulfill them. Near the end of the Bible, in Revelation 22:14, Jesus points out once more how important it is to follow all of God's commandments.

The Greek word translated “fulfill” is “pleroo,” which means “to satisfy” or “finish (a period or task).” The Law, God’s first Covenant, was meant to be temporary. God put it in place to show us our need for a Savior (Galatians 3:24) and that through the Law alone, without God’s sacrifice, we could not be saved (Galatians 2:21). That is why Jesus said “it is finished” when He died on the cross (John 19:30) and why it was prophesied in that God would write a new Covenant in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

If by “fulfill,” you mean that Jesus came to do the Law exactly as it was written, that would mean that Jesus’ primary purpose in His life was not to sacrifice Himself for us because His primary purpose was to merely do what the Law says.

Galatians 3:19 says that the Law was added “till the seed should come to whom the promise was made.” See that word “till”? That’s also the word Jesus used when He said “till all be fulfilled” in Matthew 5:19. Jesus fulfilled God’s Old Covenant by dying on the cross as payment for our sins.

It seems you don't understand how prayer works. In Matthew 21:22 the Bible teaches us that prayer only works for those who truly believe.

I agree; however, that doesn’t mean that God answers every prayer. Your reasoning is that after much praying and no response from God, God must not have heard their prayers because of their unrighteousness (that kind of assumption sounds like something one of Job’s friends would say—and they were way off!)

God hasn’t told any of us why Amy Copeland is still sick. We can say what we want and back up our assumptions with Scripture, but ultimately, we have no idea that those apply. In one part of the Bible, God may do something for one reason, and in another part, he may do the same thing for a different reason. In our day, He may do (or not do) something and have a completely different reason. For all we know, we haven't prayed enough for Amy's healing. But unless God specifically revealed something to us for this event, we just don’t know.

ExGay Alex: what if no one sinned to cause his blindness? The "seven generations" explanation could be correct, but since the disciples never asked and Jesus never answered, we really don't know. Your explanation is no more than a guess and assumption.

You are correct in assuming that not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. To be precise, those parts of the Bible which explicitly tell us not to take them literally.

I do not assume. I study and reach conclusions.

Do you think God keeps doing the same bet on different people? Is that what you're thinking, that God made a bet with Satan again and this time it was Aimee Copeland instead of Job?

I never said that. God has His reasons for doing or allowing things and, like with Job's friends, it would be foolish for us to pretend we know God's mind.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Everyone on this darn site is absolutely insane. This poor woman is ILL. Not because she sinned. Just unfortunate happenings, I guess. Yes, it must be God's will

I'm glad you recognize that much.

So, if her losing her hands and feet is God's Will . . . why do you think God wanted her to lose her hands and feet? After all, He could very easily have given her a slight nudge while she was swinging, and she'd have missed the rock she cut herself on.

Would Jesus turn his back on this girl or heal her? I pray for all of you to truly know God... your comments are sick

Well, He either caused her to lose her hands and feet, or He stood by and allowed it. Which do you think it was?

I'm curious as to how you will respond:



How do you know she was struck with this disease because she angered the Lord? Was not Job also struck with boils on his skin, though the Lord considered him "perfect"? Surely, you cannot believe that any cold, flu, or disease that falls upon you is punishment from God.

Job was struck with boils (and had his family exterminated) because God and Satan had a bet about his level of faithfulness. God, knowing everything (including the future), knew in advance that Job wouldn't turn on Him, but allowed Satan to murder Job's family and all his cattle and smite him with boils anyway.

Do you think God keeps doing the same bet on different people? Is that what you're thinking, that God made a bet with Satan again and this time it was Aimee Copeland instead of Job?

What kind of a sick monster do you think God is, anyway?

[ExGay Alex]

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You seem to be overlooking Matthew 5:17-19 which teaches us Jesus was not here to destroy the old laws but to fulfill them. Near the end of the Bible, in Revelation 22:14, Jesus points out once more how important it is to follow all of God's commandments. None of them should be taken lightly as James 2:10 teaches us that breaking a single law is just as bad as breaking all of them!

Precisely, Pastor! The passages cited by Victor/Victoria support only the idea that the law is not enough, but not the idea that it should be disregarded altogether.

His/her silly example about the blind man is also off the mark. Jesus knew THIS particular case, and since sins are visited upon the sons for seven generations, Jesus merely answered the question about the man and his parents. They did not ask about his great great great great great grandparents, and therefore Jesus did not mention them. I have read this passage over and over and there is absolutely no mention of the sins of his ancestors seven generations back.

And finally this idiot totally misunderstands Leviticus, as you rightfully pointed out. It's sad the level of religious education nowadays. What ARE they teaching in Sunday school at the liberal, social churches?? Assuming Victor/Victoria ever went to church....

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

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Dear VictorVektor,

So I decided to post. I am mostly simply inquiring as to your beliefs--why you post the way you do. At this point, I do not wish to debate or flame.

Your wish does not seem to be reflected in your actions. If you are here to debate, please be honest about it.

I am speaking of Jeremiah 31:31-34; Matthew 5:21-39, 40-48; Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 3:11-25; Galatians 3:24-26; Galatians 4:1-2, 4-5, and 9-11; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8; and Hebrews 7:19. The Law was meant to show us our need for a Savior. For if we could be justified through the Law, what need was there for Jesus to give His life?

You seem to be overlooking Matthew 5:17-19 which teaches us Jesus was not here to destroy the old laws but to fulfill them. Near the end of the Bible, in Revelation 22:14, Jesus points out once more how important it is to follow all of God's commandments. None of them should be taken lightly as James 2:10 teaches us that breaking a single law is just as bad as breaking all of them!

Further, do you ever wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

No Christian should ever do that as God indeed forbids it. Our opinion on God's laws is irrelevant. All we have to do is follow them.

or cut your hair or shave (Leviticus 19:27)?

God's word has to be taken literally. However, Leviticus 19:27 does not forbid cutting or shaving hair. Please read it thoroughly before you start spreading misinformation. In Revelation 22:18-19 you can read how God punishes those who, like you, misrepresent His word.

I brought up 2 Samuel 12:22 because David, knowing God's heart, believed that he could possibly change God's choice of wrath, not unlike Abraham did. It ended up the same in the end, but like David said: "Who knows?" Can you back up your point--that this woman's disease is a direct result of her own sin and it would be against God to pray against it--with Scripture? How do you know this is God's will?

It seems you don't understand how prayer works. In Matthew 21:22 the Bible teaches us that prayer only works for those who truly believe.

I also read in the rules that you all believe in 100% literal translations of the Bible: "as a child would read it." I'm curious how children would interpret any of Jesus' parables? In Matthew 13:10-17, Jesus told His disciples why He spoke in parables: the Pharisees wanted to take everything literally, but it was given to His disciples understood the "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven." Also consider 1 Corinthians 2:14. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Bible was meant to be taken literally in every passage.

Thinking is not the proper approach for the Bible. You are correct in assuming that not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. To be precise, those parts of the Bible which explicitly tell us not to take them literally. All other parts of the Bible have to be taken literally. Deuteronomy 4:2 teaches us how this works.

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[James Hutchins]

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But I ..... <<<<< tl;dr - Way off topic >>>>> ..... to be taken literally in every passage.

Friend, when it is 'your time of the month', please bleed off your yapping in your MenstraHut and do not sully the forum.
If you are uncapable of staying on topic, find a man willing to tolerate your gum flapping and have him monitor and correct you. We are here to praise the Perfection of Jesus(r), not mind an empty headed female.

[VictorVektor]

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First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. ... Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

But I read here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...610#Christians

Now, friend, if you have read all of this, and still believe that our doctrine is in error, we will be eternally grateful if you can demonstrate this to us, using in-context Scripture from the King James Bible, following the principle of "least scripture twisting".

So I decided to post. I am mostly simply inquiring as to your beliefs--why you post the way you do. At this point, I do not wish to debate or flame.

"I DO think that. Read Deuteronomy 28:22 and 1 Corinthians 11:28-30. Many were sinning by taking the Lord’s Supper in an ungodly manner. The result, “many among you are weak and sick, and a number are dead.” One would be entirely Biblical to say that sickness and disease are the results of sin."

I do not disagree: every evil thing in this Earth is a direct result of man's sin. However, in the case of the blind man in John 9:1-4, Jesus tells His disciples that He is blind not because of either his or his parents' sins, but so that "the works of God might be displayed in him." Jesus then healed the man. I wonder how the story might have been different if Jesus condemned the man, saying, "you've been blind for a long time, so God must really hate you," and moved on? Also read Matthew 5:45.

Chapter and verse, please. The rules of the Old Testament still apply, otherwise why would they appear in my well-thumbed King James Bible? The Apostle Paul taught that salvation extends beyond the Jews and even until Gentiles who believe in the temporary sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. But Jesus himself is clear in Matthew 5:18 that the Jewish law stands. See also James 2:14-26.

I am speaking of Jeremiah 31:31-34; Matthew 5:21-39, 40-48; Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 3:11-25; Galatians 3:24-26; Galatians 4:1-2, 4-5, and 9-11; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8; and Hebrews 7:19. The Law was meant to show us our need for a Savior. For if we could be justified through the Law, what need was there for Jesus to give His life?

Further, do you ever wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19) or cut your hair or shave (Leviticus 19:27)? If so, you transgress the law yourselves. What is your defense for following only part of the Law?

Do you even HAVE a Bible? Read Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, John 14:13-14, John 16:23, Hebrews 4:16. I could go on....
I don't know what you are talking about and I suspect neither do you. In 2 Samuel 12:22 makes clear that whether the child lived or died was a direct result of the desire of the Lord, nothing more.
God has afflicted this harlot for reasons only He understands and any attempt to save her from his wrath is middle finger right in His Holy Face.
Re-read Matthew 6:10 on this point.

I brought up 2 Samuel 12:22 because David, knowing God's heart, believed that he could possibly change God's choice of wrath, not unlike Abraham did. It ended up the same in the end, but like David said: "Who knows?" Can you back up your point--that this woman's disease is a direct result of her own sin and it would be against God to pray against it--with Scripture? How do you know this is God's will?

I also read in the rules that you all believe in 100% literal translations of the Bible: "as a child would read it." I'm curious how children would interpret any of Jesus' parables? In Matthew 13:10-17, Jesus told His disciples why He spoke in parables: the Pharisees wanted to take everything literally, but it was given to His disciples understood the "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven." Also consider 1 Corinthians 2:14. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Bible was meant to be taken literally in every passage.

[ExGay Alex]

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I'm curious as to how you will respond:

How do you know she was struck with this disease because she angered the Lord? Was not Job also struck with boils on his skin, though the Lord considered him "perfect"? Surely, you cannot believe that any cold, flu, or disease that falls upon you is punishment from God.

I DO think that. Read Deuteronomy 28:22 and 1 Corinthians 11:28-30. Many were sinning by taking the Lord’s Supper in an ungodly manner. The result, “many among you are weak and sick, and a number are dead.” One would be entirely Biblical to say that sickness and disease are the results of sin.

Hebrews and Romans make it abundantly clear that under God's new covenant, the Old Testament was "fulfilled." Why cling to the old law written in stone when God has given us a new law written in our hearts? Further, there is no account of Jesus ever healing a leper and telling him to burn his clothes.

Chapter and verse, please. The rules of the Old Testament still apply, otherwise why would they appear in my well-thumbed King James Bible? The Apostle Paul taught that salvation extends beyond the Jews and even until Gentiles who believe in the temporary sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. But Jesus himself is clear in Matthew 5:18 that the Jewish law stands. See also James 2:14-26.

The verse provided does not prove that God grants every request of every righteous believer.

Do you even HAVE a Bible? Read Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, John 14:13-14, John 16:23, Hebrews 4:16. I could go on....

So you're saying we should let everything happen as it should? Why pray then? What about Genesis 18:23-33 or 2 Samuel 12:15-22? Clearly, God wants us to ask Him for things--Jesus especially made it a big deal.

I don't know what you are talking about and I suspect neither do you. In 2 Samuel 12:22 makes clear that whether the child lived or died was a direct result of the desire of the Lord, nothing more.

God has afflicted this harlot for reasons only He understands and any attempt to save her from his wrath is middle finger right in His Holy Face.

Re-read Matthew 6:10 on this point.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Dear Vicky;

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[VictorVektor]

Re: Pray for doctors to stop treating Amy Copeland

I'm curious as to how you will respond:

... Amy Copeland, the young girl who angered the Lord so terribly that he sent a flesh-eating bacteria to eat her alive.

How do you know she was struck with this disease because she angered the Lord? Was not Job also struck with boils on his skin, though the Lord considered him "perfect"? Surely, you cannot believe that any cold, flu, or disease that falls upon you is punishment from God.

They should have burned her clothes, for example, right off the bat as described in Leviticus 13:52. Second, we all know that hyssop oil was charged by God to Moses to be used as a purifying agent. There is no evidence that Amy's doctors have read Numbers 19:18 or Psalm 51:7.

Hebrews and Romans make it abundantly clear that under God's new covenant, the Old Testament was "fulfilled." Why cling to the old law written in stone when God has given us a new law written in our hearts? Further, there is no account of Jesus ever healing a leper and telling him to burn his clothes.

So is God punishing her somehow? Clearly, yes. John 9:31 tells us that God only answers the prayers of the righteous. Since he did NOT save this girl's hands, despite "prayers every day," the proof of unrighteousness is before our eyes.

The verse provided does not prove that God grants every request of every righteous believer.

So I pray that God's intentions are put to their end and that her doctors cease all treatment. God will cure her if he wants to. Job 1:21.

So you're saying we should let everything happen as it should? Why pray then? What about Genesis 18:23-33 or 2 Samuel 12:15-22? Clearly, God wants us to ask Him for things--Jesus especially made it a big deal.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I cannot believe any of you call yourselves christians... i have read comments and am apppauled at what I am reading. You should be ashamed of yourselves and I consider you hypocrites and you have all been mislead in the teachings of christ. Would Jesus turn his back on this girl or heal her? I pray for all of you to truly know God... your comments are sick

What a hateful bigot you are. I've been praying for months now for God to heal poor Aimee.

This thread shows the dedication of True Christian love. What are you doing that's positive and effective for her? Nothing, that's what!

Hundreds of us praying for her stumps to heal in His love and nothing to show for it. God must really hate her. So don't get angry with us, friend. Pray to God for why He won't heal her.

[Cursed]

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LoL as i said pewtenders making your crap up as you go along, using thee bible for "quotes, as you see fit, not as God intended them,

So who is in charge of how God intended the Holy Bible? You?

honestly though you i feel sorry for your children...its comparable to gays raising children teaching them its ok just as you raise your children teaching them that when bad things happpen such as medical problemms its demons..

Medical problems aren't caused by demons! They are caused by GOD as punishment, according to his Holy Word, The Bible.

Behold, with a great plague will the Lord smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:
And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day.~2 Chronicles 21

This is one of literally dozens of references (book of Exodus, book of Job, etc.).

The intention of these multiple references is very clear. God punishes the sinful with illness.

you all really do think your smart and it makes me sad im crying for you all and i will pray for you this evening and ask god for forgivness for speaking the way i have towards you all..

You should pray for forgiveness, and read your Bible for wisdom. The Good Book will show you the way.

im not judging you for the Lord will be your judge but in my opinion you will all burn in a pit of fire for misleading others...

That's just silly. We wish to teach the Holy Word, only as God intended.

many have done this before such as charles mansonson

Charles Manson quoted the beatles, not The Bible, sir.

david koresh and so on...

David Koresh said that HE was Jesus, so we all know he was a blasphemer. We only teach the Word of God.

things didnt end up good for them here and certainly wont in the afyer life...i pray for your souls and hope thqt you see things differently before its too late..

It's not how we see things. It's how GOD sees things, and He has made this all perfectly clear in the best-selling book of all time, The Holy Bible! Praise God!