[Sparky]

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But if I say 1 in 4 women are raped, you don't ask for evidence of that because it backs up your thoughts.

Why do you only ask for evidence for things you disagree with and not for things you agree with?

That doesn't back up my thoughts, and I would question it anyway-where did you get the data, which country and age group does that refer to and so on, although statistics like that tend to me more accurate because you can just get a computer to count the number of defendants in rape trials per year, which is accurate in counting the number of rapes bought to court, whilst this number that you've come up with could have been made up for all I know-please provide the paper from the scientific journal it was published in. Your continual evasion of this makes the study highly suspect

[Cranky Old Man]

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That doesn't back up my thoughts

Why are your thoughts relevant?

which is accurate in counting the number of rapes bought to court

There is nothing accurate about that. Your assumption that all rapes are brought to court is very flawed. It is a know fact amongts people who actually use their brain that a significant number of rapes go unreported. Proof? Unlike you I am happy to provide proof: Dick Haws, "The Elusive Numbers on False Rape," Columbian Journalism Review (November/December 1997).

please provide the paper from the scientific journal it was published in

We already did provide proof. Can you do the same by producing proof that proves you are right and we are wrong? Not that scientific papers prove anything: PROOF scientists are liars (The Times).

[Sparky]

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Why are your thoughts relevant?

There is nothing accurate about that. Your assumption that all rapes are brought to court is very flawed. It is a know fact amongts people who actually use their brain that a significant number of rapes go unreported. Proof? Unlike you I am happy to provide proof: Dick Haws, "The Elusive Numbers on False Rape," Columbian Journalism Review (November/December 1997).

We already did provide proof. Can you do the same by producing proof that proves you are right and we are wrong? Not that scientific papers prove anything: PROOF scientists are liars (The Times).

That's why I specified that it is accurate in counting rapes that go to court. You cannot provide an accurate statistic on unreported rapes because they are.... errr..... unreported.
You have not provided any "proof". All I want is a PubMed URL, or some kind of link.
I know scientific papers can be wrong; this is why I am emphasising the importance of peer-reviews and so on
" Not that scientific papers prove anything"- exactly, this is why I would like to look at the paper you are referring to

[Cranky Old Man]

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[QUOTE=Sparky;528260]You cannot provide an accurate statistic on unreported rapes because they are.... errr..... unreported[QUOTE] Agreed, yet scientists make up these numbers anyway. Suspicious don't you think?

[QUOTE]I know scientific papers can be wrong[QUOTE] Then why waste any time on them? Spend that time on the KJV1611 Holy Bible which is never wrong!

[QUOTE]this is why I would like to look at the paper you are referring to[QUOTE] Which paper do you mean? I usually refer to scripture, not scientific lies.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

[Sparky]

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[QUOTE=Cranky Old Man;528262][QUOTE=Sparky;528260]You cannot provide an accurate statistic on unreported rapes because they are.... errr..... unreported[QUOTE] Agreed, yet scientists make up these numbers anyway. Suspicious don't you think?

[QUOTE]I know scientific papers can be wrong[QUOTE] Then why waste any time on them? Spend that time on the KJV1611 Holy Bible which is never wrong!

[QUOTE]this is why I would like to look at the paper you are referring to

Which paper do you mean? I usually refer to scripture, not scientific lies.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

The paper that someone mentioned in the first page of this thread *sigh*.
The one that they say is written by Christian scientists, and "proves" that in the majority of rapes were the victim's fault.
I suspect the paper is possibly exaggerating a little, and would like to see the original source.

[Cranky Old Man]

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The paper that someone mentioned in the first page of this thread *sigh*.

So you asked me the wrong question, can happen, I will forgive you for that. I did some checking but I could find no mention of any paper on the first page if this thread. Can you be more specific? Who mentioned what paper?

If you are looking for more proof, I have some more proof for you: PROOF "rape victims" are whores (CNN).

[Sparky]

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So you asked me the wrong question, can happen, I will forgive you for that. I did some checking but I could find no mention of any paper on the first page if this thread. Can you be more specific? Who mentioned what paper?

If you are looking for more proof, I have some more proof for you: PROOF "rape victims" are whores (CNN).

Originally Posted by Larry Lee
Brother Jeb, that's a terrific tract to give to women of all ages.

If I recall correctly, it was social scientists at Patrick Henry College who demonstrated that fully 89% of all rapes are associated with a woman's inappropriate attire. Why do secularists deny the fact that women are responsible for most rapes?

That's the original post.
The story that you gave is one single example; or in other words.... not proof. I'm sure if you look at a news site or something you will find many cases of girls walking along, or shopping and being dragged screaming into alleyways, or threatened with knives, or beaten up. That is not their fault at all, the fault lies with the rapist

[Cranky Old Man]

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None of what you copied here mentions a paper!

[Sparky]

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None of what you copied here mentions a paper!

As in a scientific paper. If they did a study, which they then released the results of, then they must have written up their method and results into what is known as a scientific paper, or article.
Maybe the terminology is different over here, sorry

[Cranky Old Man]

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As in a scientific paper. If they did a study, which they then released the results of, then they must have written up their method and results into what is known as a scientific paper, or article.
Maybe the terminology is different over here, sorry

So now you finally admit the paper you asked for was never mentioned by any of us?

[Sparky]

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So now you finally admit the paper you asked for was never mentioned by any of us?

No..... a study was mentioned by one of you. It was stated that the study was carried out by (Christian) scientists. All scientists write papers to go with their studies, so that the study can be reviewed and verified. Therefore, if it was a genuine study then there will be a paper on it. If the study was considered to have any merit it will have been published in a scientific journal, or will be available on a website like PubMed and thus will be easy to access.
Or to simplify-
Study by scientists=> paper written by scientists about study
As you can see, someone has said that there is a study, therefore there is a paper (unless the people carrying out the study were not actually scientists and were just people who made up a statistic. Then there would be no paper.)

[Cranky Old Man]

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No..... a study was mentioned by one of you. It was stated that the study was carried out by (Christian) scientists. All scientists write papers to go with their studies, so that the study can be reviewed and verified.

Why would a True Christian™ scientist ever publish a paper? Everything relevant is already in the KJV1611 Holy Bible! Scientists who write papers only do so to steal money from tax payers anyway!

[Sparky]

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Why would a True Christian™ scientist ever publish a paper? Everything relevant is already in the KJV1611 Holy Bible! Scientists who write papers only do so to steal money from tax payers anyway!

Ok, so you are withdrawing the use of the afore-mentioned study in this debate? Also, surely Christian scientists could try to scientifically prove things that are in the Bible to show atheists etc that they are wrong? I don;t really know if that fits with your way of thinking
I think between us we have effectively derailed this thread whilst I tried to explain what a scientific paper is to you
Back to my original point- why are you putting blame on the girls? Do men have absolutely no will power of their own to stop them raping anyone, and why has no-one so far said that it's the man's fault?
I mean, if a girl is walking home on her own late at night, it's not very clever, but at the same time if there were decent men on this planet then it wouldn't be any issue anyway.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Ok, so you are withdrawing the use of the afore-mentioned study in this debate?

It was you who kept going on and on about scientific papers, not me. All I need is the KJV1611 Holy Bible.

to show atheists etc that they are wrong?

Atheists suffer from something called cognitive dissonance. Even if the proof of the existence of God stares them right in the face, they will still deny His existence! So writing papers to convince them of anything would be a complete waste of time.

Back to my original point- why are you putting blame on the girls?

Because the girl is always to blame. What happens is that the girl breaks God's rule about dressing properly, seduces innocent men and then when it is too late suddenly claims to be raped.

Do men have absolutely no will power of their own to stop them raping anyone

The men are also to blame, they should only have sex with their wives.

I mean, if a girl is walking home on her own late at night, it's not very clever, but at the same time if there were decent men on this planet then it wouldn't be any issue anyway.

You are turning the world upside down here. It is the other way around, if all girls would dress and behave properly we wouldn't have to deal with rape at all.

God does not like woman wearing pants, makeup, piercings and tattoos:
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

1 Timothy 2:9 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array"

Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

[Sparky]

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It was you who kept going on and on about scientific papers, not me. All I need is the KJV1611 Holy Bible.

Atheists suffer from something called cognitive dissonance. Even if the proof of the existence of God stares them right in the face, they will still deny His existence! So writing papers to convince them of anything would be a complete waste of time.

Because the girl is always to blame. What happens is that the girl breaks God's rule about dressing properly, seduces innocent men and then when it is too late suddenly claims to be raped.

The men are also to blame, they should only have sex with their wives.

You are turning the world upside down here. It is the other way around, if all girls would dress and behave properly we wouldn't have to deal with rape at all.

God does not like woman wearing pants, makeup, piercings and tattoos:
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

1 Timothy 2:9 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array"

Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

Sorry, I was excited that someone was giving me scientific evidence.
I'm pretty sure that a man could resist seduction if he tried hard enough. I mean, if a pretty girl turned up in front of you in a knee length skirt, I'd hope you would have enough self-control not to try and have sex with her? I mean, rape isn't "normal" behaviour is it- you don't see it every day, or all that often. So surely the majority of men can control themselves enough not to rape girls, even though some of them do dress a bit on the slutty side.