[Basilissa]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Actually Satan tortured Job, God gave him permission because he knew Job wouldn't turn away from him.

Exactly. Apparently, God was bored and decided to make a bet with the Devil - a bet that He already knew He would win because He knows everything.

The cruel death of the entire Job's family (Job 1:18-19), was just a collateral damage resulting from that innocent play that God was having with the Devil. Besides, afterwards God rewarded Job with more children (Job 42:13-15), so the murder of the first batch was perfectly fine.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Actually Satan tortured Job, God gave him permission because he knew Job wouldn't turn away from him.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

[Mei Saeki]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Actually Satan tortured Job, God gave him permission because he knew Job wouldn't turn away from him.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Okay, I think I can start to see where you got this from except you seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote. Christ loved the church by dying for her and offering her eternal life, not by suddenly losing his cool and then saying that God made him do it on the internet.

Let me ask you something: Are you a damned papist?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Okay, I think I can start to see where you got this from except you seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote. Christ loved the church by dying for her and offering her eternal life, not by suddenly losing his cool and then saying that God made him do it on the internet.

You're mistaken if you think Jesus never utilized force to clean house. Remember the money changers (John 2:15)? Mr. McManus employed the same technique. Remember the Old Testament? Jesus was there, too. You just don't like it because your worldview has been polluted by feminism, the belief that God made women to control a police state and enforce a goddess cult. True Christians™, on the other hand, know women were created to be help meets to our husbands (Genesis 2:18), and we are not satisfied until we fulfill our natural instincts to submit and serve (Colossians 3:18 ).

[Acts 29]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

You seem to want our friend to exhibit Righteous Justice upon his wife rather than Righteous Mercy.

Okay, I think I can start to see where you got this from except you seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote. Christ loved the church by dying for her and offering her eternal life, not by suddenly losing his cool and then saying that God made him do it on the internet.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Why exactly would I want him to kill his wife? Also this story is quite different from the one we are witness to.

You seem to want our friend to exhibit Righteous Justice upon his wife rather than Righteous Mercy.

Ananias and Sapphira were trying to claim credit which was not rightfully theirs and were therefore attempting to deceive the Holy Spirit.

This man told his wife that they were making radical changes in their life with little or no real justification for it, including the massive financial sacrifice of selling her company, and when she questioned him he resorted to violence and lost control of himself.

When you follow the commands of the LORD, you walk the Walk of the Righteousness (Proverbs 8:19-20), you can recognize spiritual theft and hidden deception for wisdom will be yours (Proverbs 9:10). McManus was called on by God to put his money where his mouth is, as they say, and apply his faith in a practical manner. That is to say, he was called to be the hands and feet of Jesus, or hands and fists in this case.

[Didymus Much]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Apparently she didn't consent...

I can't find the bit where she says she didn't consent. Could you point it out for me?

...Also, in the hypothetical situation that she had gone to the police then that would have meant, by your logic, that assault and abuse would have happened...

But, she didn't, so it doesn't, and you have, let's see, nothing. Bupkes. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

No victim = no crime. Ask any cop.

...And concerning your problem with my comparison with human sacrifice...

It smells (to me) like a Strawman argument, in that you're misrepresenting your opponent's position in order to have an easier target to argue against, combined with a slippery slope argument (if they argue that A is true, then they have to agree that something much more extreme than A is true), and the ever-so-wonderful moral high ground fallacy. But those kinds of analyses are much more Mr. White's specialty, so maybe he'll be along to enlighten us.

Until then, please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

...it was being argued that this should be allowed because it was an expression of the Christian faith therefore I showed a parallel with something else which could be considered religious expression...

Maybe in Mexico, about 600 years ago, and we're not in Mexico 600 years ago. At least, I'm pretty sure we're not. Ask me again after I've had some coffee.

...If you want a different comparison then lets say someone believes clothing is morally wrong. Public nudity is still illegal.

Maybe in your backwards jurisdiction, but not where I live, so your point is invalid.

[Acts 29]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Would you have preferred he killed his wife, as Jesus killed Ananias and Sapphira, elements of his church, for their insolence?

Why exactly would I want him to kill his wife? Also this story is quite different from the one we are witness to.

Ananias and Sapphira were trying to claim credit which was not rightfully theirs and were therefore attempting to deceive the Holy Spirit.

This man told his wife that they were making radical changes in their life with little or no real justification for it, including the massive financial sacrifice of selling her company, and when she questioned him he resorted to violence and lost control of himself.

[Acts 29]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

And assault and abuse only exist in the eyes of the law when the victim says that's what happened. Otherwise, what happens between two consenting adults is no business of the state's (or internet busybodies like you).

As for trying to equate anything discussed here to human sacrifice, that's a fallacy (unsure which exact variety, I'm sure someone will educate us). Using fallacious arguments only makes your case look weak.

Apparently she didn't consent. Also, in the hypothetical situation that she had gone to the police then that would have meant, by your logic, that assault and abuse would have happened.

And concerning your problem with my comparison with human sacrifice, it was being argued that this should be allowed because it was an expression of the Christian faith therefore I showed a parallel with something else which could be considered religious expression but is still illegal. If you want a different comparison then lets say someone believes clothing is morally wrong. Public nudity is still illegal.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Well, maybe if he loved her like Christ loved the church this would be a valid argument.

Would you have preferred he killed his wife, as Jesus killed Ananias and Sapphira, elements of his church, for their insolence?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Well, maybe if he loved her like Christ loved the church this would be a valid argument.

And no, not everything on the internet is true but if this went to court and the original post was used as evidence it would be hard to argue against. You should maybe apply some intelligence before mocking others.

You are quick with the snappy comebacks, but none of them seem to make any sense. Your thoughts...?

[Didymus Much]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

While freedom of religion is permitted by law, assault and abuse is not...

And assault and abuse only exist in the eyes of the law when the victim says that's what happened. Otherwise, what happens between two consenting adults is no business of the state's (or internet busybodies like you).

As for trying to equate anything discussed here to human sacrifice, that's a fallacy (unsure which exact variety, I'm sure someone will educate us). Using fallacious arguments only makes your case look weak.

[Acts 29]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

So you want her to disobey the Bible, which commands her to serve her husband as she would serve Christ? Yeah, you're such a "Christian".



Because everything you see on the internet is obviously true.

Well, maybe if he loved her like Christ loved the church this would be a valid argument.

And no, not everything on the internet is true but if this went to court and the original post was used as evidence it would be hard to argue against. You should maybe apply some intelligence before mocking others.

[Acts 29]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Evidence that a Christian was following his religion.

Or do you think people should not have religious freedom?

Have you even read the constitution and the Amendments?

YIC

While freedom of religion is permitted by law, assault and abuse is not in the same way that human sacrifice is illegal even as part of a religious ceremony.