[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Are you saying it's God's will to promote video games and keep teen violence rates sky high???

[MidwestCatLady]

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Let's take this baseless argument and apply it to other circumstances:

• "Well, I've driven drunk before and didn't crash, therefore drunk driving doesn't cause any crashes."
• "Well, I've swam in the ocean before and didn't get attacked by a shark, therefore sharks don't attack people."
• "Well, I've been shot before and I survived, therefore guns can't kill people."

Well said, Rev. Jim. They are excellent analogies! I would also like to add to the argument regarding violent video games not causing harm. Even if the OP does not think the games (in general) cause harm, please ask yourself these questions:

1. How proud will you be 10 years from now knowing you spent 2 to 4 hours a day to get to level eight? In other words, if you found out you had cancer and only a year left to live, is this really how you would spend your time? Time is always shorter than we think!
2. Do you really think playing video games is leading you to a video game design career? (Please look at the national career database for jobs and you will see there are maybe two openings in the country and they want a PhD - you have never spent enough time on your scholastic studies to get a PhD! Your skill will get you a job as a Wal-Mart bagger, if you are lucky.)
3. While you become adapt at pressing buttons and perhaps have great hand eye coordination, you have not developed your inner self beyond the level of a child because game playing does not build your emotional intelligence or your spirit. Is this activity really preparing you to be independent, emotionally competitive and tenacious? All traits required to earn a living and care for yourself or have a relationship with God.
4. And finally, even if you are one of the lucky few (and I mean few) who is already an A student with a great job and is in college, think of the waste of time and energy in this activity and where you could be in life if you focused more on a productive True Christian endeavor!

[Nobar King]

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There is at least one benefit to playing video games: Learning how to read those maps and identify targets and locations will be really useful when you start delivering pizzas to repay your mom for the heat and internet.

[rawrosaurus]

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1. How proud will you be 10 years from now knowing you spent 2 to 4 hours a day to get to level eight? In other words, if you found out you had cancer and only a year left to live, is this really how you would spend your time? Time is always shorter than we think!

Im proud of myself today, when i look back and realize that i spent more than 2-4 hours a day playing video games. I am proud to see the friendships i have developed and proud to see how my mental mind has enhanced and developed as well.

1. Do you really think playing video games is leading you to a video game design career? (Please look at the national career database for jobs and you will see there are maybe two openings in the country and they want a PhD - you have never spent enough time on your scholastic studies to get a PhD! Your skill will get you a job as a Wal-Mart bagger, if you are lucky.)

Honestly, who goes in for video game development unless you're beastly with art work? I actually have a career in network infrastructure and i make 75k a year, i am quite happy with my life right now, considering how young i am and how much money i have stashed away already for retirement. And yes, it is quite pathetic that jobs have gone from associates to bachelors to masters that quickly, really sad when some computer gamers like myself know more than most people that get a degree anywhere related to computers. So again, i am happy with my life on that front, and i dont need spiritual cleansing or a supernatural being to over watch my foot steps. You getting hit by a bus tomorrow is just as likely as me getting hit by a bus tomorrow.

1. While you become adapt at pressing buttons and perhaps have great hand eye coordination, you have not developed your inner self beyond the level of a child because game playing does not build your emotional intelligence or your spirit. Is this activity really preparing you to be independent, emotionally competitive and tenacious? All traits required to earn a living and care for yourself or have a relationship with God.

You do have a great emotional boundary when it comes to playing video games. There are great teams, clans, communities you can be a part of, your adrenaline pumps beyond belief and a lot of people actually have a higher self esteem from video games that they play (hello kitty, island adventures doesnt count). Bleeding edge first person shooters run you through many emotions and feelings , you can live your life happily from playing video games. You vent your life through the bible and through Jesus, i vent my life through video games and the brotherhood, the bond of the people that i play beside on my team.

1. And finally, even if you are one of the lucky few (and I mean few) who is already an A student with a great job and is in college, think of the waste of time and energy in this activity and where you could be in life if you focused more on a productive True Christian endeavor!

Why would one want to be a true christian if it is uneccesary to the development of life. You don't need jesus to be a great person. If you met me on the street tomorrow, you would walk away with a smile on your face without even bringing up religion, just because of the way i was raised. I was raised in a household without religion, with an atheist father, and my mother just didnt care, she didnt have the time to mess with religion or a god or any of that.
There are people on this earth that can very easily develop morals and self standards without ever flipping a page in the bible or walking into a church. If you cant believe that, then you're just being ignorant. Trying to convert everyone to the bible and jesus because your blind faith has brought you happiness in life, doesnt mean it will bring happiness to everyone or everything.

and to Nobar King:
There is at least one benefit to playing video games: Learning how to read those maps and identify targets and locations will be really useful when you start delivering pizzas to repay your mom for the heat and internet.

Where the hell did that come from? Thanks for basically insinuating that i am useless because i have played games. I help my mom with her medical bills, with her house, with her irs problems, i have more money at the age of 23 than my mother had at the age of 43. So thanks a whole bunch, world is a different place and there are young people out there that can prove their worth, that have played games. I have seen bad times, i lived in a bad household, i lived without a mother or father for most of my life because their work schedule was too hectic to keep up.
So again, referring to earlier, My life has not be tainted by drugs, alcohol, cigarettes (even though i lived in a house with two smokers, a drinker and a drug addict sister), and i live my life happily. I have job security and i have retirement ahead of me. Have fun with your bible, ill go have fun with the latest edition of PC Gamer magazine.


OH and to top the Rev's words of choice, you may consider yourself wise, but some of the shit that i have seen on your sermons page, including the self circumcision and the keep your babies in a cage on the hospital floor with pigs if it was born on 6-6-06, that is disgusting. I hope you people wrote those as a sick joke and not to be taken literally. Anyone that lops off their penis because you have that on their page is an idiot, and if they have blind faith in jesus, wow, that makes it hysterical. Way to go, that person would never be productive and would never produce a child to carry on your religious beliefs.

Since you all enjoy this argument more, have fun reading.

[GodOfLight]

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I totally agree with the above poster. You guys are all just morons. where did this shit about gamers being homos come from. You do realize that the gay term "enemy on your six" is a real military term. You know what they say about people who are constanly finding anything relativly homo like... They are secretly gay themselves. so why dont you homos go fuck yourselves. I have been playing video games since i was six and i have 2 kids and got married. as well most games that you play are not as violent as they are made to be and if you let these games take you over you had mental issues to begin with. I am sick of Poor parents blaming games for there childrens problems. my daughter is allowed to play whatever game she wants at any age but she is not violent in any way. And yes, who would have thunk it, wemon play videos games one of my ex girlfriends was in fact a counterstrike player, as were her friends. and my friend met his girlfriend online in a video game. you guys just like to blow stereotypes out of proportion to make yourselves feel better about your pathetic existence. in your "religion" you cant have any real fun without making up stupid excuses. So you have to make everyone else look like morons and try to deface each group you hate when in fact you are the problem not us. So go take your jesus and your book, which by the way is PAPER WITH WORDS ON IT!!!! IT MEANS NOTHING!!! I CAN MAKE ONE IN MY ROOM!!! So follow its words and when your done and you dont want to follow that then maybe harry potter will be a better "god" for you. Pathetic.

[Talitha]

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[Miss April]

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1. How proud will you be 10 years from now knowing you spent 2 to 4 hours a day to get to level eight? In other words, if you found out you had cancer and only a year left to live, is this really how you would spend your time? Time is always shorter than we think!

Im proud of myself today, when i look back and realize that i spent more than 2-4 hours a day playing video games. I am proud to see the friendships i have developed and proud to see how my mental mind has enhanced and developed as well.

1. Do you really think playing video games is leading you to a video game design career? (Please look at the national career database for jobs and you will see there are maybe two openings in the country and they want a PhD - you have never spent enough time on your scholastic studies to get a PhD! Your skill will get you a job as a Wal-Mart bagger, if you are lucky.)

Honestly, who goes in for video game development unless you're beastly with art work? I actually have a career in network infrastructure and i make 75k a year, i am quite happy with my life right now, considering how young i am and how much money i have stashed away already for retirement. And yes, it is quite pathetic that jobs have gone from associates to bachelors to masters that quickly, really sad when some computer gamers like myself know more than most people that get a degree anywhere related to computers. So again, i am happy with my life on that front, and i dont need spiritual cleansing or a supernatural being to over watch my foot steps. You getting hit by a bus tomorrow is just as likely as me getting hit by a bus tomorrow.

1. While you become adapt at pressing buttons and perhaps have great hand eye coordination, you have not developed your inner self beyond the level of a child because game playing does not build your emotional intelligence or your spirit. Is this activity really preparing you to be independent, emotionally competitive and tenacious? All traits required to earn a living and care for yourself or have a relationship with God.

You do have a great emotional boundary when it comes to playing video games. There are great teams, clans, communities you can be a part of, your adrenaline pumps beyond belief and a lot of people actually have a higher self esteem from video games that they play (hello kitty, island adventures doesnt count). Bleeding edge first person shooters run you through many emotions and feelings , you can live your life happily from playing video games. You vent your life through the bible and through Jesus, i vent my life through video games and the brotherhood, the bond of the people that i play beside on my team.

1. And finally, even if you are one of the lucky few (and I mean few) who is already an A student with a great job and is in college, think of the waste of time and energy in this activity and where you could be in life if you focused more on a productive True Christian endeavor!

Why would one want to be a true christian if it is uneccesary to the development of life. You don't need jesus to be a great person. If you met me on the street tomorrow, you would walk away with a smile on your face without even bringing up religion, just because of the way i was raised. I was raised in a household without religion, with an atheist father, and my mother just didnt care, she didnt have the time to mess with religion or a god or any of that.
There are people on this earth that can very easily develop morals and self standards without ever flipping a page in the bible or walking into a church. If you cant believe that, then you're just being ignorant. Trying to convert everyone to the bible and jesus because your blind faith has brought you happiness in life, doesnt mean it will bring happiness to everyone or everything.

and to Nobar King:
There is at least one benefit to playing video games: Learning how to read those maps and identify targets and locations will be really useful when you start delivering pizzas to repay your mom for the heat and internet.

Where the hell did that come from? Thanks for basically insinuating that i am useless because i have played games. I help my mom with her medical bills, with her house, with her irs problems, i have more money at the age of 23 than my mother had at the age of 43. So thanks a whole bunch, world is a different place and there are young people out there that can prove their worth, that have played games. I have seen bad times, i lived in a bad household, i lived without a mother or father for most of my life because their work schedule was too hectic to keep up.
So again, referring to earlier, My life has not be tainted by drugs, alcohol, cigarettes (even though i lived in a house with two smokers, a drinker and a drug addict sister), and i live my life happily. I have job security and i have retirement ahead of me. Have fun with your bible, ill go have fun with the latest edition of PC Gamer magazine.


OH and to top the Rev's words of choice, you may consider yourself wise, but some of the shit that i have seen on your sermons page, including the self circumcision and the keep your babies in a cage on the hospital floor with pigs if it was born on 6-6-06, that is disgusting. I hope you people wrote those as a sick joke and not to be taken literally. Anyone that lops off their penis because you have that on their page is an idiot, and if they have blind faith in jesus, wow, that makes it hysterical. Way to go, that person would never be productive and would never produce a child to carry on your religious beliefs.

Since you all enjoy this argument more, have fun reading.

Troll do you really think anyone is going to read all that?

[flaminghomer]

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It just so happens that I read all of it. And it also happens that I'm a christian follower as well but, there is no reason to judge Rawr for what he believes in. I myself have played counter-strike for more than 2 years and have found nothing wrong with myself so far. It just seems to trouble me that followers of my own religion would not have the same open mindedness as me or other people for that matter. Rawr does have a point about the things we do and we do have points about the things he does. But arguing over the internet is just a horrible way to voice our opinions. I myself and many others find that playing video games only brings us closer because of the interactions that are required to bring each other together as a team. Which is what god would always want. We are human beings and any way of ineraction IS interaction. I'm 16 myself and I have lots of a friends and a girlfriend in fact which is religous as well. But fighting each other over the fact of a pre-programmed disk that was sold for $30.00 at a retail store helps none of the issues brought at hand. We need to learn to diversify our minds and not be so strapped down to such a limited amount of thoughts. Look within yourself and deside what YOU want to do not what your religion wants you to do or what the "Anti-Christ" video game wants you to do.

Rawr I full understand your situation and support you as well as this christian community. But really guys it's the INTERNET it was made by people FOR interaction with other human beings.

Also a hardcore player of source myself.

Game Past 7 Days Total v Counter-Strike: Source[satanic link deleted] 18 hours 2,300 hours

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I don't see a point debating Counterstrike and video games further because we've already established that they cause kids to kill. That is scientific fact. However, I would like to point out how un-Christian you are despite the fact that you claim you are Christian, since that is what is most important.

It just so happens that I read all of it. And it also happens that I'm a christian follower as well but, there is no reason to judge Rawr for what he believes in.

Wrong. We at Landover are spiritual and therefore have a right to judge him. Doesn't Paul tell us this?

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I myself have played counter-strike for more than 2 years and have found nothing wrong with myself so far. It just seems to trouble me that followers of my own religion would not have the same open mindedness as me or other people for that matter.

Please point out Scripture where we are commanded to be open-minded. Is that what God wants? If He did, He would've put it in the Bible.

Rawr does have a point about the things we do and we do have points about the things he does. But arguing over the internet is just a horrible way to voice our opinions. I myself and many others find that playing video games only brings us closer because of the interactions that are required to bring each other together as a team. Which is what god would always want.

And if killing a child in a sacrifice for Satan brings teenagers together, it must be okay because that is what God wants.

We are human beings and any way of ineraction IS interaction. I'm 16 myself and I have lots of a friends and a girlfriend in fact which is religous as well. But fighting each other over the fact of a pre-programmed disk that was sold for $30.00 at a retail store helps none of the issues brought at hand.

See this just compounds the problem. This murder simulator sells for only $30! Teenagers can easily afford that. That's a couple car washes and a lawn mowing or two.

We need to learn to diversify our minds and not be so strapped down to such a limited amount of thoughts. Look within yourself and deside what YOU want to do not what your religion wants you to do or what the "Anti-Christ" video game wants you to do.

This just shows you are not a Christian. First you start spouting off nonsense about "diversifying our minds". But most importantly, you have the gall to proclaim that we should follow our own minds and NOT what the Bible wants us to do! With that statement you are telling us to willfully disobey God's Word! No True Christian(tm) would ever utter such jabberwocky.

The Bible warns us about people like you...

Proverbs 12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Proverbs 28:26: He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

[James Hutchins]

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Hehehehe, I am getting old., I looked at the title of the thread and saw " HIGHSCHOOL MUSICAL SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN " My first thought was, America is really going down the toilet.......

[Gizas]

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I don't see a point debating Counterstrike and video games further because we've already established that they cause kids to kill. That is scientific fact. However, I would like to point out how un-Christian you are despite the fact that you claim you are Christian, since that is what is most important.



Wrong. We at Landover are spiritual and therefore have a right to judge him. Doesn't Paul tell us this?

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.



Please point out Scripture where we are commanded to be open-minded. Is that what God wants? If He did, He would've put it in the Bible.



And if killing a child in a sacrifice for Satan brings teenagers together, it must be okay because that is what God wants.



See this just compounds the problem. This murder simulator sells for only $30! Teenagers can easily afford that. That's a couple car washes and a lawn mowing or two.



This just shows you are not a Christian. First you start spouting off nonsense about "diversifying our minds". But most importantly, you have the gall to proclaim that we should follow our own minds and NOT what the Bible wants us to do! With that statement you are telling us to willfully disobey God's Word! No True Christian™ would ever utter such jabberwocky.

The Bible warns us about people like you...

Proverbs 12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Proverbs 28:26: He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Actually you can get that game even cheaper or for free .
How can a game influence a child to the point of murder . I'm quite intrigued about the stupidity most of you calmly expose here . If you're a sociopath you'll be a sociopath wether you'll play a violent game or not . Games are games , movies are movies , if you're stupid enought to take someone else's life like that than you have a serious disorder and it's not from the game .

[James Hutchins]

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Actually you can get that game even cheaper or for free .
How can a game influence a child to the point of murder . I'm quite intrigued about the stupidity most of you calmly expose here . If you're a sociopath you'll be a sociopath wether you'll play a violent game or not . Games are games , movies are movies , if you're stupid enought to take someone else's life like that than you have a serious disorder and it's not from the game .

The games bring it out of people. Someone who in thier warped mind has a thought but never moves on it. Nowe they play the game. Getting a taste for the evilness. Not a big stretch to tak it to the next level and do it in real life.

Is not that what gaming is all about, the next level?

There is no justification for the violence. Someone needs to create a Baptist True Christian™ game where you "Save The Heathens©".

[Admiral Petty]

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Just look at them, with their S&M masks on, the one in the back looking tenderly upon the the one in front, sodomizing him in his mind. And what's with the weird, possibly satanic symbol that is so prominent on the cover?



It is the Lamba, a gay and lesbian symbol.





ANYONE STILL THINK VIDEOGAME ARE NOT A TOOL OF THE HOMOSEXUAL ANTI-LIFE AGENDA?

Close, that's actually the atomic Half-life symbol. The game that the mod Counter-Strike comes from is called Half-life, so that guy's tattoo is just a reference to that.

.... YET.



Your 'opinion' counts for NOTHING in here, friend. What we deal in are FACTS.

It's a FACT that this kid was a good student with real job prospects and in good health BEFORE playing this Murder Simulator.

It's another FACT that after playing 'Counter-Strike' he went out and brutally murdered a whole mess of people.

It doesn't take a genius to put 2 + 2 together, and realise your 'opinion' is completely WRONG!

It's also a fact that he probably used Crest toothpaste or some other brand, but that didn't make him a killer did it? No, it didn't you and I both can agree on that one. However, Nither has Half Life. I've been playing on computers since I was 18 months old. I haven't had an urge to kill anything ever. My first game was DooM and after that came something else, until I started on Warcraft 3 and Battlefield 2.

Dear brother Percy,

It might be a fact he played counterstrike
It might be a fact he killed people
However it also might be a fact he also went to the toilet that day !
Could that not be the reason he killed people? because the link is as feeble as the link to playing counterstrike.

Also a fact is you cannot change my opinion, and you are not the person who deceides if my opinion is wrong or not.
However: i respect your opinion and i am happy you wanted it to share with me.

And as a reminder: this is just my HUMBLE opinion.

Yours sincerely

Peter

Spot on Pete!

You're an idiot. Going to the toilet doesn't make a person violent. That's ridiculous.

We are not interested in the opinion of unsaved trash. We rely on Jesus for that.

You've missed the point here friend! What he was saying was the counter strike does no promote killing the same way that going to the toilet does. See, when people commit crimes like this, people look around and say "Oh look! There was an Xbox in the house! That means that Halo makes you a KILLER!"

I'm starting to wonder whether prayer will be strong enough to counter 'counter strike,' the videogame.

Well, we already have the tools, where were the parents when this kid collected 200 rounds of ammunition and a firearm to use it with. Obviously, lack of proper parenting. Also, this kid needed help, why was this allowed to happen?

I will state it again, I've played DooM, Diablo, Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Morrowind, Counter Strike, Halo, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty and many others. I'm as sane as can be, I go to a great school in my state and my grades are high. Why? Because through parenting and my own human intelligence (Given by the creator if you will) I have learned the difference between reality and fantasy.

Imagine this, Imagine that were in a bizarro universe and that video games were created hundreds of years before sports! Now, we have professional video game teams, highschool teams and so on. Now sports show up 100 years later. We have kids actually getting cuts, broken limbs and ligaments, brain damage and real life injuries. Worse yet, these injuries are being commited by children to other children. What would your response be?

[Nobar King]

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I will state it again, I've played DooM, Diablo, Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Morrowind, Counter Strike, Halo, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty and many others. I'm as sane as can be, I go to a great school in my state and my grades are high. Why? Because through parenting and my own human intelligence (Given by the creator if you will) I have learned the difference between reality and fantasy.

The fact that you haven't succumbed to the Devil's tricks yet is no proof that others haven't had their lives ruined by these games.

[Admiral Petty]

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At the same time, the fact that people who commit crimes may have played these games is no indicator that they cause people do to things like this. The fact that games are the new scapegoat is just a pattern. It used to be comic books, then it was rock music and movies, now it's video games. Who knows what the future will bring? Whatever it is though, it's going to make a lot of money and catch a lot of flak.

Also, Balaclavas? S&M masks? Please man, come on! I did have to laugh at the comment about the guy in the back, I never noticed that before. Now that I think of it when you REALLY try hard you can see it. However, I really don't think that's what the artist had in mind. His eyes are looking forward the way I see it.