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  • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

    Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
    Oh really now? Can you point to a Bible verse where God specifically commands us to convert people to Christianity or kill them if they do not?
    Yes, I can.

    That suprised you, didn't it?

    1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB: Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying, Go and speak to David, saying, Thus says Yahweh, I offer you three things: choose you one of them, that I may do it to you. So Gad came to David, and said to him, Thus says Yahweh, Take which you will: either three years of famine; or three months to be consumed before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you; or else three days the sword of Yahweh, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of Yahweh destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore consider what answer I shall return to him who sent me. David said to Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh; for very great are his mercies: and let me not fall into the hand of man. So Yahweh sent a pestilence on Israel; and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.

    Although it's not about converting, this text shows us that the idea of God kills people.

    And to relate to the OP, let's talk about canibalism.

    Leviticus 26:27-35 NLT

    If after this you still refuse to listen and still remain hostile toward me, then I will give full vent to my hostility. I will punish you seven times over for your sins. You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters. I will destroy your pagan shrines and cut down your incense altars. I will leave your corpses piled up beside your lifeless idols, and I will despise you. I will make your cities desolate and destroy your places of worship, and I will take no pleasure in your offerings of incense. Yes, I myself will devastate your land. Your enemies who come to occupy it will be utterly shocked at the destruction they see. I will scatter you among the nations and attack you with my own weapons. Your land will become desolate, and your cities will lie in ruins. Then at last the land will make up for its missed Sabbath years as it lies desolate during your years of exile in the land of your enemies. Then the land will finally rest and enjoy its Sabbaths. As the land lies in ruins, it will take the rest you never allowed it to take every seventh year while you lived in it.

    As you see, the Bible isn't as peace-loving as you think they're. And that's perfectly understandable. You've grown up in an enviroment where this was presented as the truth and also your priests and preachers want to spread the message of love, and not of hate, but come on, just think about it and don't be a sheep who will just walk of a cliff if another sheep does.

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    • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

      Originally posted by Common_Sense View Post
      You believe god came to earth as jesus. Muslims don't believe he did.
      Which is one of many reasons mooslimes are wrong.
      Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
      Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
      Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
      Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
      Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
      Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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      • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

        Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
        Because they were not True Christians™.

        I have seen Americans killed by thiers. These Americans, mostly good people, were not True Christians™. My own fa0hter was in the TWC that day as well as my wife's brother in law and his son. They all left the building at 9AM and got far away. They are True Christians.
        So you're anti-American. Some of my good christian friends died in combat and one in a car crash. They were also not True Christians?

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        • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

          Originally posted by Concordia View Post
          Yes, I can.

          That suprised you, didn't it?

          1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB: Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying, Go and speak to David, saying, Thus says Yahweh, I offer you three things: choose you one of them, that I may do it to you. So Gad came to David, and said to him, Thus says Yahweh, Take which you will: either three years of famine; or three months to be consumed before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you; or else three days the sword of Yahweh, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of Yahweh destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore consider what answer I shall return to him who sent me. David said to Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh; for very great are his mercies: and let me not fall into the hand of man. So Yahweh sent a pestilence on Israel; and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.

          Although it's not about converting, this text shows us that the idea of God kills people.

          And to relate to the OP, let's talk about canibalism.

          Leviticus 26:27-35 NLT

          If after this you still refuse to listen and still remain hostile toward me, then I will give full vent to my hostility. I will punish you seven times over for your sins. You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters. I will destroy your pagan shrines and cut down your incense altars. I will leave your corpses piled up beside your lifeless idols, and I will despise you. I will make your cities desolate and destroy your places of worship, and I will take no pleasure in your offerings of incense. Yes, I myself will devastate your land. Your enemies who come to occupy it will be utterly shocked at the destruction they see. I will scatter you among the nations and attack you with my own weapons. Your land will become desolate, and your cities will lie in ruins. Then at last the land will make up for its missed Sabbath years as it lies desolate during your years of exile in the land of your enemies. Then the land will finally rest and enjoy its Sabbaths. As the land lies in ruins, it will take the rest you never allowed it to take every seventh year while you lived in it.

          As you see, the Bible isn't as peace-loving as you think they're. And that's perfectly understandable. You've grown up in an enviroment where this was presented as the truth and also your priests and preachers want to spread the message of love, and not of hate, but come on, just think about it and don't be a sheep who will just walk of a cliff if another sheep does.
          What 'Bible' is that from? We only read and follow the KJV1611 Bible.
          Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
          Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
          Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
          Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
          Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
          Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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          • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

            Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
            Which is one of many reasons mooslimes are wrong.
            It's still technically the same god, just a different idea of what he did.

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            • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

              Originally posted by Common_Sense View Post
              So you're anti-American. Some of my good christian friends died in combat and one in a car crash. They were also not True Christians?
              Show me where I said one thing that was anti-American. You on the other hand have made countless references alluding to American's being bad. Does Homeland Security know about you?

              If a person dies an un-natural death it is allowed due to a weak faith, which in turn means the person was not a True Christian™. In some instance, the death of one person is done by God as punishment to another. This usually when a small child dies before they have had a chance to repent and the death is a punishment for the parents.
              Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
              Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
              Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
              Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
              Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
              Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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              • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                Show me where I said one thing that was anti-American. You on the other hand have made countless references alluding to American's being bad. Does Homeland Security know about you?

                If a person dies an un-natural death it is allowed due to a weak faith, which in turn means the person was not a True Christian™. In some instance, the death of one person is done by God as punishment to another. This usually when a small child dies before they have had a chance to repent and the death is a punishment for the parents.
                You said they deserve to die because they were not true christians. Thousands of Americans are not true Christians. Therefore, you think thousands of Americans deserve to die. And if only those with weak faith or those against your cause died on 9/11, then the terrorists did you a favor did they not? Why do you hate terrorists, or any killer for that matter, if you believe god will protect you?

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                • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                  Originally posted by Common_Sense View Post
                  It's still technically the same god, just a different idea of what he did.
                  Yeah, right...............

                  A Tranbant and a Viper are technivally the same car..... You are funny!
                  Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                  Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                  Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                  Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                  Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                  Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                  • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                    Originally posted by Common_Sense View Post
                    You said they deserve to die because they were not true christians. Thousands of Americans are not true Christians. Therefore, you think thousands of Americans deserve to die. And if only those with weak faith or those against your cause died on 9/11, then the terrorists did you a favor did they not? Why do you hate terrorists, or any killer for that matter, if you believe god will protect you?
                    Now you are getting absurd
                    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                    Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                    Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                    Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                    Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                    • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                      Originally posted by Concordia View Post

                      Although it's not about converting, this text shows us that the idea of God kills people.
                      Well that's not from the Bible. The only real Bible is the 1611 KJV Bible. Still, we all know God kills people. No one is hiding that fact. I was asking for a specific example of conversion-or-die that the Muslims are so fond of practicing.

                      And to relate to the OP, let's talk about canibalism.
                      Nowhere does it sanction or endorse cannibalism. In fact, cannibalism is used as a punishment in a sense. What's next, are you going to say that the Leviticus' quote about homosexuality being an abomination is actually an endorsement of it?

                      As you see, the Bible isn't as peace-loving as you think they're. And that's perfectly understandable. You've grown up in an enviroment where this was presented as the truth and also your priests and preachers want to spread the message of love, and not of hate, but come on, just think about it and don't be a sheep who will just walk of a cliff if another sheep does.
                      Friend, you have no idea about True Christians(tm), do you? We know the Bible is violent! We know Christianity is not as peace-loving as people think! But the point wasn't discussing whether or not Christianity is a religion of peace, but rather "Common Sense" made the ridiculous claim that Islam is a religion of peace. Anyone with a basic understanding of Islam knows this not to be true.

                      Watch the #1 Televangelist Gospel Hour in the World! "Turn or Burn: Accept Christ or Go to Hell with Rev. Jim Osborne." Check your local cable listings.

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                      • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                        Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                        Yeah, right...............

                        A Tranbant and a Viper are technivally the same car..... You are funny!
                        You just completely missed the point. way to go.

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                        • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                          Originally posted by Nobar King View Post
                          You two homers should get a hotel room like Mario and his cousin Luigi:
                          Just popping in to fix some more misinformation (Some people love not resaerching things) The picture above, though obviously people cos-playing, are not even Mario and Luigi. They are Waluigi and Wario, the evil versions of the Italian Plumbers. Also, Mario and Luigi are brothers.

                          Originally posted by angels View Post
                          A chap played the game Manhunt for 3 solid days. Came out of his room, pulled on his coat, took a hammer and killed his friend. That is fact, not fiction. If it happens once it will happen again.
                          Yes, however that game was made and promoted for strictly its violent and sickening content. Fallout is not marketed in such a way. Also, Manhunt was a crap game and had no redeemable value whatsoever. I know someone may now say the same thing about Fallout, but at least Fallout had consequences, Context for the Violence, and a moderatly well written Story.

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                          • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                            Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                            Now you are getting absurd
                            But I thought all True Christians are protected by god.

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                            • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                              Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                              Show me where I said one thing that was anti-American. You on the other hand have made countless references alluding to American's being bad. Does Homeland Security know about you?

                              If a person dies an un-natural death it is allowed due to a weak faith, which in turn means the person was not a True Christian™. In some instance, the death of one person is done by God as punishment to another. This usually when a small child dies before they have had a chance to repent and the death is a punishment for the parents.
                              That's just sick. So you have a God, who punishes people who are innocent, for someone elses mistakes? Also, you call yourselves 'True Christians'. What is a True Christian if I may ask? Who can determine if someone is a true Christian? Sure, your preacher of priest. But they also determine theirselves as a true Christian. I have the feeling you just want to be special.

                              Again, I say, that you're all brainwashed. The bible was written in acient times, where things as homo sexuality was not done. However, we're living in another time, I, for once, live in The Netherlands, a very liberal country, the one you kinda hate. It's really accepted here, and you know what? We only have gotten further. We spread the message of love through our deeds and manners, and you only spread the message of hate. Why do you even want to live in a world with hate?

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                              • Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                                Originally posted by CyanideJay View Post
                                Just popping in to fix some more misinformation (Some people love not resaerching things) The picture above, though obviously people cos-playing, are not even Mario and Luigi. They are Waluigi and Wario, the evil versions of the Italian Plumbers. Also, Mario and Luigi are brothers.

                                Thanks for clearing that up. If it wasn't for you I would have continued calling them cousins. Heavens!
                                May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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