[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Do I detect racism? Also who said I was British. Remember guys and gals when you assume things you make an ass out of u and me!

This rabble rouser is not a brit, he is in the US, east coast probably, my guess would be 5~10 miles NE of NYC based on how he writes. This assumes he is a he and is not gay or at least not out of the closet yet.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I just don't want you taking things you don't fully understand out of context is all, which you still managed to do, also you just mindlessly quoted without trying to back up or explain your quote. By the way that wasn't quoting that was paraphrasing I was using that to provide context to my argument. I laugh at you quoting Acts 13:10 that's some poorly disguised attempt at name calling along the same lines as calling someone a poopoo head.

Now, who doesn't understand context? You asked me why I called you a pig and said I was supposed to "turn the other cheek".

My point is, that the Bible is chock full of rebuking. To continue.

Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1 Corinthians 15:36
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

Titus 1:12
One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

2 Peter 2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Ah, but most criminals are repeat offenders or career criminals. So putting 1 criminal behind bars means you can prevent perhaps 50 crimes from ever taking place.

So this is a much stronger theory for explaining why crime rates are dropping than the advent of video games: take away the cause (bad people) and you reduce the number of bad events from happening.

The problem, however, is that when an entire generation is potentially corrupted into being bad people, you can no longer use prison as a solution. That is the horror scenario we are trying to prevent.


Perhaps not, but if you are in prison, there is a good chance a gay man will want to make you his "lady". This is something to think about...

Your first statement is absolutely true and its the first thing on here that has been backed up with actual statistics, you forget that many crimes are still committed behind bars. You continue to assume that video games make criminals when there isn't one scientific study that backs up this claim. If you read my post more carefully you would see I didn't use the advent of video games as an explanation for dropping crime I just pointed out that if what you believe is correct than crime rates should have shot up with increasing sales of video games over the years.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

YYou continue to assume that video games make criminals when there isn't one scientific study that backs up this claim.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Now, who doesn't understand context? You asked me why I called you a pig. and said I was supposed to "turn the other cheek".

My point is, that the Bible is chock full of rebuking. To continue.

Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1 Corinthians 15:36
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

Titus 1:12
One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

2 Peter 2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Rebuke v. To criticize. Yup you are 100% right the Bible is full of criticism criticizing everyone else except for itself and the people who wrote it. Your point sir is invalid. Also yay for blind misguided quotations. Funny that you bring up Romans 1:22 because you profess yourself to be wise however all you are doing is making yourself seem like an idiot. Every time I have posted something on here and actually backed it up with facts and valid rebuttals, and all I have been met with is blind faith and unwillingness to accept something that is different than your own beliefs.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Yes Levi there is a lot of that going on around here it frustrates me that the majority of the supposed grown adults that frequent this forum are so ignorant when I continually try to engage in an intelligent discussion.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Rebuke v. To criticize. Yup you are 100% right the Bible is full of criticism criticizing everyone else except for itself and the people who wrote it. Your point sir is invalid. Also yay for blind misguided quotations. Funny that you bring up Romans 1:22 because you profess yourself to be wise however all you are doing is making yourself seem like an idiot. Every time I have posted something on here and actually backed it up with facts and valid rebuttals, and all I have been met with is blind faith and unwillingness to accept something that is different than your own beliefs.

So what you wan't is for every member of Landover to dump our faith in God, yes sir we should just throw out the Holy Bible, forget our Lord and Savior Jesus.
Turn our backs on the very foundation that we have built our lives upon, all to agree with the unfounded opinions of unsaved trash. Yep thats really going to HAPPEN !

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I think I have been able to sufficiently able to prove my point albeit to deaf ears. Now I shall go eat with my family, which I love very much, then play some Fallout 3 after that maybe I'll go murder a couple people who knows. Until next time you have all been a terrific audience!

P.S. Levi this ones for you.
Malachi 2:3 "Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces..."

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

... there isn't one scientific study that backs up this claim...

Okay, let's play this your way. Let's see what the American Psychological Association has to say about this topic. I introduce you to Craig A. Anderson with a PhD in psychology from Standford University (scientific enough for you??)

Go read the carefully researched view of a psychology PhD:

http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2003/10/anderson.aspx

Among other things, you might be interested in:

Myth 11. If violent video games cause increases in aggression, violent crime rates in the U.S. would be increasing instead of decreasing (hey, looks like YOUR argument, eh?).
Facts: Three assumptions must all be true for this myth to be valid: (a) exposure to violent media (including video games) is increasing; (b) youth violent crime rates are decreasing; © video game violence is the only (or the primary) factor contributing to societal violence. The first assumption is probably true. The second is not true, as reported by the 2001 Report of the Surgeon General on Youth Violence (Figure 2-7, p. 25). The third is clearly untrue. Media violence is only one of many factors that contribute to societal violence and is certainly not the most important one. Media violence researchers have repeatedly noted this.

And of course this:

Myth 6. There are no studies linking violent video game play to serious aggression.
Facts: High levels of violent video game exposure have been linked to delinquency, fighting at school and during free play periods, and violent criminal behavior (e.g., self-reported assault, robbery).


According to you, us "dumb Christians" all look like and just pull opinions out of our ass. The reality is that our "opinions" are not only confirmed by the Bible, but also by secular sources, namely someone with a PhD in psychology.

So please tell us, should we listen to you, someone without a PhD in psychology or to Dr. Anderson, who does have a PhD in psychology? You want science, there's your science.

Checkmate

[Levi Jones]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I think I have been able to sufficiently able to prove my point albeit to deaf ears. Now I shall go eat with my family, which I love very much, then play some Fallout 3 after that maybe I'll go murder a couple people who knows. Until next time you have all been a terrific audience!

P.S. Levi this ones for you.
Malachi 2:3 "Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces..."

Thank you for stopping by to spew your hatred all over God's favorite forum, Cretian.

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

His way of "proving" his point is to leave several minutes before someone decimates his entire argument. Hilarious. He asked for 1 scientific study... I gave him 1 scientific study. Where is he now? Playing his violent game no doubt.

Ah well... can't argue with a low-IQ kiddo no matter how much proof you show them.

[demolitionchirstian]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Brothers and sisters in Christ,

It has come to my attention through the recent hoopla of the "Oblivion" thread that the same company has created an equally disturbing game called Fallout 3. Without a doubt, the people at Bethesda Softworks (creators of Oblivion and Fallout 3) seem intent on corrupting our youth with introducing anti-Biblical concepts, violence, sexuality, and law-breaking. I have just reviewed the game, and I will now provide a fair and balanced assessment of this poor excuse for a "game".




The setting takes place in and around Washington D.C. after a nuclear war. I might as well open by saying the only good thing that this game offers is that it rightly attributes communism to destruction. In the game's story, China has launched nuclear strikes and destroyed America. While this is much applauded (not the destruction of America, but showing that Communists are evil people), that is where the positive nature of this game ends. Here are just some brief tidbits about what this game contains...

• It is extremely violent. It features various types of sub-machine guns, nuclear weapons, rocket launchers, knives, flamethrowers, various melee weapons, and other instruments of destruction. You can't play this game without killing hundreds of people.
• There is a lot of cursing in this game, with the A-word, S-word, and F-word.
• There is a "perk", if you want to call it that, called "Bloody Mess" which makes killing people even more graphic and gruesome. Your enemies explode in a mess of blood and guts.
• There is another "perk" called Mister Sandman that allows you to kill innocent people in their sleep.
• The worst "perk" of all is the aptly-named Cannibal that allows you to literally devour corpses. I'm not making this up!
• There are quests where you are assigned to kill people. One is even so blatantly called "You gotta shoot 'em in the head" where you are told to do just so.
• You can blow up an innocent town with an atom bomb. After obliverating these people, you are rewarded with money and a place to stay. What kind of message is this giving our children?
• There is prostitution in the game. If you go to a place called Moriarty's Bar, there is a woman who offers to fornicate with you for a price. The player is able to have sexual relations with this woman.
  1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
• You can pretty much kill whoever you want, even good guys. The game makes no consequence for your actions. At most, you have to leave a town for three days, but it allows teenagers to live out "spree killer" and "school shooting" fantasies.
• The player can create their own homemade weapons like a "dart gun" and "bottlecap mine" which encourage domestic terrorist activities. How many kids might be inspired to make their own pipe bombs after playing this game?
• There are beings called "ghouls", which appear to be some kind of zombie demon out of a horror movie. While many ghouls are bad, some are considered "good guys".
• It quotes the Bible out of context. One of the recurring themes revolves around Revelations 21:6..."And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." However instead of pointing out that this verse revolves around the Lord and that He alone can provide eternal life, this game misconstrues it and takes it to mean that we can make water-purifying systems. It is a mockery of the Bible!
• There is a group of misbehaving brats in a town called Little Lamplight. They do anything they want and disrespect adults. There is nothing in the game that can correct this behavior even though the Bible tells us how to deal with such rebellious imps: Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Nowhere in the game can you punish these children for their behavior. It tells kids they can act however they want with impugnity.
• You are able to pick locks and it's a skill. You can basically break into other people's doors, safes, and other secure places and steal what you want at whim.
• It also promotes Computer Hacking. Through the skill "Computers", the player can hack another person's private computer, even though hacking is a federal crime.
• Alcohol is available in this game through such forms as whiskey.
• Drug use is promoted. There is a syringe called "Med X" (Heroin), a drug called "Psycho" (Methamphetamine) and "Buffout" (Steroids). Taking these drugs makes you a stronger player, so drugs are encouraged in this game. Even though you can get addicted to the drugs, you can always just see a doctor to cure the addiction. Nowhere in this game is there any Christian pastor to help you overcome addiction through faith in Jesus Christ. Nowhere!
• There is a false, heretical religion called "The Church of Atom". They believes that an atom bomb is a god or something. This may lead players to believe in this bizarre cult. Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
• The only other church is called "St. Monica's Church". We know Catholics aren't really Christians and this game pushes Catholicism onto players instead of Baptists who believe in the 1611 KJV Bible.

I could go on and on, but I think you can realize what this whole game is about. There are no redeeming qualities in this game, no exhortation of Christian values, but just stuff that would make Satan happy. It should come as no surprise that this game is very popular and many Oblivion players also play this game as well.

Any True Christian™ parent would not want this game around their children. It is an evil influence. Paul warns us to seperate ourselves from such iniquity...



Indeed this game is truly an unfruitful work of darkness. You cannot be a Christian and play this game since you are going against the Bible, as I have shown in the above quotes.

Friends, in my last post warning about the dangers of Oblivion, I advocated taking a stand against the stores selling that demonic game, but I feel considering Bethesda has been putting out multiple games, the only rational stand is to call for the end of Bethesda Softworks. These people should be held accountable to the law (both God's and secular) and should not be able to produce video games anymore. I encourage every Bible-believing True Christian™ reading this to let your congressman know about what is going on in this Satanic organization. Bethesda feels they can put out these sinful games at their own will, but they must be stopped.

I will pray that our cause will prevail. I will pray that the Lord will put Bethesda Softworks out of business. I will pray that these criminals serve time behind bars for corrupting our youth. In Jesus' name, I pray.

Yours in Christ,
Rev. Jim Osborne

Enclosed is a screenshot of this game.

For once i agree with you. Fallout games are evil and twisted. As are many others. Video games are just another way to get people to do evil with out thinking, a friend of mine used to play Left 4 Dead. Now he is paranoid, he even keeps a chainsaw in his closet. THAT is what I call disturbing. This friend of mine is not christian, but i'm working on that. But as i was saying. Just another way to get people to do evil with out thinking. They get so used to killing and guts that they will be descensitized (sp?) to that and it makes it easier for them to kill. And the prostitution... eeeew most kids who play that game are too young to be subjected to that. Seriously they probably get enough from their parents porno. But as if they need it in a game. That will lead to early sex, GROSS!
Sincerely
Bethany

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

That will lead to early sex, GROSS!

Nothing wrong with early sex actually. As long as it is between two properly married True Christians. Most women start to bear babies way to late nowadays.

[demolitionchirstian]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Nothing wrong with early sex actually. As long as it is between two properly married True Christians. Most women start to bear babies way to late nowadays.

True. As long as their married its not bad, but i'm saying is that is supports prostitution. This girl who is a friend of my friend wants to be a stripper or a hooker when she gets older. For the love of coffee shes only 15. She sleeps around and refuses to go to church with me and my friend. Its really sad.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

This girl who is a friend of my friend wants to be a stripper or a hooker when she gets older. For the love of coffee shes only 15. She sleeps around and refuses to go to church with me and my friend. Its really sad.

Your friend needs new friends. True Christian friends.