Well then.

[my mommy]

If your so-called "god" believes that all homosexuals are destined to end up in the fiery pits of hell, then why did he create them? Clearly if he thought such horrid feelings towards them he would have chose to destroy them or something similar so that they weren't around today.

And, if one of your special 10 commandments is to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself then why would you treat the homosexual people in such a bad way, is that because you wish to be treated the same? Because if not, then you are breaking that commandment.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Well then.

The answers to your questions are all in the Bible, friend.

If your so-called "god" believes that all homosexuals are destined to end up in the fiery pits of hell, then why did he create them? Clearly if he thought such horrid feelings towards them he would have chose to destroy them or something similar so that they weren't around today.

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

God creates them so that He can endure them with longsuffering and then destroy them, so that He can shew His wrath and make his power known. SHOUT GLORY!

And, if one of your special 10 commandments is to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself then why would you treat the homosexual people in such a bad way, is that because you wish to be treated the same? Because if not, then you are breaking that commandment.

That's not in the 10 commandments, but yes, we are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves. I do treat others the way I want to be treated. If I were in danger of Hell fire, I would want people to warn me.

Please read this sermon of mine: Do Christians "Hate Gays"?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[my mommy]

Re: Well then.

Yeah because "god" really does want to cause other people pain because of what their sexual preference is. Does this mean that homosexual people can cause straight people pain because they are straight? And, if he wants to make his power known, isn't there plenty of sinners around who commit acts of rape, murder, crime etc that he can use to do so? Not innocent people who are only seen as people who deserved to be caused pain by "god" because of the people who they chose to date.

[my mommy]

Re: Well then.

Also, to the "you need to pay attention in Sunday school comment". If I don't believe in any religion, then why would I put myself in positions where I would learn about religions? I don't want to know about it because I believe it's all baloney, yes if people want to believe it then so be it but they do need to have such extreme views against a select group of people? And the fact that this whole thing is fake is twice as disgusting.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Well then.

Yeah because "god" really does want to cause other people pain because of what their sexual preference is. Does this mean that homosexual people can cause straight people pain because they are straight? And, if he wants to make his power known, isn't there plenty of sinners around who commit acts of rape, murder, crime etc that he can use to do so? Not innocent people who are only seen as people who deserved to be caused pain by "god" because of the people who they chose to date.

Let me give you the link to the whole chapter of Romans, because your objections are addressed there. Romans 9

Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

There is no unrighteousness with God. It is not our place to judge the ways of God.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

God will have mercy and compassion on the people He decides to have mercy and compassion, NOT because they want God's mercy or deserve God's mercy, but because God has the right to pick and choose and there's nothing you can do about it. Praise Him!

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

You don't like the way God made you? Tough! Deal with it. How DARE you question God!

I hope this helps, friend.

By the way, did you get a chance to read the sermon I linked yet?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Well then.

If I don't believe in any religion, then why would I put myself in positions where I would learn about religions?

But you just did put yourself in a position where you will learn about God, when you signed up for this forum. You had better watch out -- you might end up getting saved while you are here! If your pride will let you, that is.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[my mommy]

Re: Well then.

I honestly don't believe you can save a person who doesn't want to be saved, as I said before I don't believe in any religion at all, what so ever and I'm proud of my atheist status. Therefore, how do you except me to be saved when my pride is firmly situated with being atheist?

Yes, I joined this forum but it wasn't to be saved it was to find out what you had to say about what I had to say, yes I may have made some immature posts but what do you expect when I can read up on wikipedia that this forum is a load of rubbish and the town you are saying you are situated in doesn't even exist?

Also, I'm not going to be reading anything that is linked to me, simply because I don't care, nor do I understand the blathering of what is taken from the bible.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Well then.

I honestly don't believe you can save a person who doesn't want to be saved, as I said before I don't believe in any religion at all, what so ever and I'm proud of my atheist status. Therefore, how do you except me to be saved when my pride is firmly situated with being atheist?

I expected as much. That's why I added the qualifier "if your pride will let you".

Yes, I joined this forum but it wasn't to be saved it was to find out what you had to say about what I had to say, yes I may have made some immature posts but what do you expect when I can read up on wikipedia that this forum is a load of rubbish and the town you are saying you are situated in doesn't even exist?

You aren't the first person to come in here who has heard that we are a "parody". That's all a bunch of lies spread by folks who want to undermine our mission. It's in our FAQ for new posters, but I know you aren't going to read it, so I'll quote part of it.

Perhaps you've heard that we are a joke, satire or parody, and you came to our site for a few cheap laughs or "lulz", only to find people taking everything seriously. So now you have decided to be the first to "spill the beans" and let everyone in on your "knowledge". Friend, this has been done so many times that it isn't funny any more.

When an Atheist loses a debate to a fundamentalist Christian, it is a common tactic to accuse the Christian of being a parody. The Atheist is so full of pride, that he cannot imagine being outsmarted by a dumb God-Believer, so he thinks the Christian must be an Atheist like himself who is only pretending to be Christian. This is known as Tabor's Law.

Our situation is not helped by the fact that there is some atheist satirist who does an impression of our Pastor Deacon Fred at atheist conventions. People hear about him and start rumors that they are the same person and that the real Landover Baptist Church is also just a joke. Some Atheists go so far as to vandalize our church's Wikipedia page to say that we are a satire.

Here is a link to the version of the Landover Baptist Wikipedia article before the vandals got a hold of it.

Also, I'm not going to be reading anything that is linked to me, simply because I don't care, nor do I understand the blathering of what is taken from the bible.

In other words, you are just here to troll and annoy, and you have no intention of reading and thinking about our responses.

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't ban you right now.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Well then.

Therefore, how do you except me to be saved when my pride is firmly situated with being atheist?

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
-Proverbs 16:18

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Well then.

I honestly don't believe you can save a person who doesn't want to be saved, as I said before I don't believe in any religion at all, what so ever and I'm proud of my atheist status. Therefore, how do you except me to be saved when my pride is firmly situated with being atheist?

Yes, I joined this forum but it wasn't to be saved it was to find out what you had to say about what I had to say, yes I may have made some immature posts but what do you expect when I can read up on wikipedia that this forum is a load of rubbish and the town you are saying you are situated in doesn't even exist?

Also, I'm not going to be reading anything that is linked to me, simply because I don't care, nor do I understand the blathering of what is taken from the bible.

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

I'm wondering why we shouldn't just ban you. You have been offered Salvation through Christ's blood and rejected that gift...

[valentin_miro]

Re: Well then.

You have been offered Salvation through Christ's blood and rejected that gift...

Nothing more pagan than drinking blood...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Well then.

Nothing more pagan than drinking blood...

You're thinking of Catlix - they're the ones who reckon priests have a mysterious power to change wine to blood. Proabably to explain the vile taste of the cheap Albanian booze they use. ("Not a drop is sold, 'til its 3 days old!")

Any True Christian will tell you that when we speak of "blood," we don't mean "blood." Jesus was all for keeping things simple.

[Hymie Goldberg]

Re: Well then.

If your so-called "g-d" believes that all homosexuals are destined to end up in the fiery pits of hell, then why did he create them?

To give Jewish mothers a purpose in life, bubeleh! They fret therefore they are.

Clearly if he thought such horrid feelings towards them he would have chose to destroy them or something similar so that they weren't around today.

G-d is fickle. He smites this one, but He ignores the other one. Who are we to countenance the Mind of the Almighty?

No-one, that's who!

Jehovah explains all of this in what the Christ worshippers call the Book of Job:

G-d multiplies wounds without cause, destroys the perfect along with the wicked, laughs at the trial of the innocent, and hides the truth from judges.

(Job 9: 17;22-24)

And, if one of your special 10 commandments is to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself then why would you treat the homosexual people in such a bad way, is that because you wish to be treated the same? Because if not, then you are breaking that commandment.

Well, if G-d is hiding the truth from judges, He's probably not filling you in on the succulent details either, so whatever.

Shalom

Hymie

[Wide-Open]

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Mr. Hymie, a bit off-topic, but I always wondered why you bagelmeisters don't just write "GOD" like God intented (Praise Him!), but make do with this G-D nonsense. It almost reads like Joo leetspeak.

Is that to save money on printing costs, or is it because you just KNOW He doesn't want you to talk about Him?

[Hymie Goldberg]

Re: Well then.

Mr. Hymie, a bit off-topic, but I always wondered why you bagelmeisters don't just write "GOD" like God intented (Praise Him!), but make do with this G-D nonsense. It almost reads like Joo leetspeak.

Is that to save money on printing costs, or is it because you just KNOW He doesn't want you to talk about Him?

Oy gevalt, it's a trade mark issue! Why not use a hyphen, get yer message across and still save 75 cents per 1000 pages?

Hymie