I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

[Zanzalym the Tool]

Hello, I know it's not a place for debate but I would want the opinions of religious people about it :

I just don't understand why it's an issue in this world, I mean where the whole concept come from except some books and traditions ? would we even had the concept of religion without it ? I mean i wasn't raised religiously (without being raised as an atheist, religion was just not a thing in my education and the best description of my parents about it would be "apatheists", if I was baptized roman catholic because it's what everyone do where I live ) and I would never think about things like religion and god(s) by my own, so it don't seems really natural to me (I know that many religious people thinks being religious is natural but from my experience, it's not the case)

I describe myself as atheist because I think that agnosticism is too much...passive : i don't consider "believe in god" and "don't believe in god" as two equals possibilities since for me, it's to those who affirms something to prove it more than those who don't believe in this thing; and I don't think It's really possible to be apatheist in a so religious world.

I have nothing about religious people but I don't understand them : how it's possible to believe so strongly in something without proofs.
And how you know it's the right religion ? I mean..well when someone ask about it generaly he is answered by an citation of the Bible that said "Jesus is the true path" or something like that but without offense, it's a bit senseless for someone who don't already believe in the Bible and Jesus and you're far the only ones to think like that : muslims said Islam is the true religion because it's written in the Quran, Jews thinks they are the chosen people because its written in the Tora, ect...why i would believe you rather than them ? Why i would believe them rather than you ?
Some others speak about religious experience but it exist in all religions and many good people die without this kind of experience and says "if someone is a good-will man, he will find God" is quite an unprobable and easy answer. (I doubt that NEVER a good-will man is dead before find God, by principle we can assume anyone can die at every time; and it's too easy to affirm that those who fails to see the Truth were not honest enough)

Some others said that the Truth must be not so much evident otherwise there is not free-will and the good choice must be more difficult to take than the bad ones but there is a difference between that and makes it completly unknowledgeable and so random (if you can't know what is the good choice, it's not really free-will and more of a gage)

And the most weird thing is that what is your religion is in 99% of the cases just a demographic thing (see statistic : there is religious map of the world) : most people believe in what they have been raised and in most places in the world, your religion is not even a choice.
And have you already seen someone's who wasn't raised with any idea of God becomes religious ? All converts I know had deep roted idea of the Christian God and were almost christians in denial.


I don't grasp how a "true" unbeliever can convert and why.

And if a religion is true does it means 99% of those who believe in this Religion goes in the Heavens because they have been raised in the good religion even if they wouldn't even considerate the "good religion" if they have been raised in an another religion ?
And 99% of those who believed in a wrong religion goes to hell because they have been raised in a wrong one even if they weren't less goods or open-minded than those who have been raised in the good religion ?

I don't think I'm closed-minded : I have reconsiderate my position several times, try to understand believers and all that; I don't think I'm smarter than most people so I'm a bit puzzled about the fact of being in a extrem minority in a world where almost everyone don't thinks at all like me but it's still the same problem.

I hope I was not offensing; if you have an opinion about it, it would be great.

Thanks. (Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native language)

[James Hutchins]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Hello,....tl;dr......... (Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native language)

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

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If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

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[Elmer G. White]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Dear Unsaved Person,

Thank you for being reasonably polite. That is great. However, my heart weeps as I think about your ultimate fate in the Furnace apart from Jesus.

But there is help. there is hope! I can answer your question!

I don't grasp how a "true" unbeliever can convert and why

Acts 9:3-9
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

That's how and why you convert! Saul was a total unbeliever. He stoned good Christians to death. An evil man. But he was chosen by Jesus. Jesus reached out to him and he answered and became Paul the Apostle, one of the greatest teachers ever. Jesus is reaching out all the time. Open your eyes and see. Something magnificent can be waiting for you. Paul became a mediator and transmitted to us some of the wisest words of God! The Epistles of Paul are among the most important documents ever.

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

I have nothing about religious people but I don't understand them : how it's possible to believe so strongly in something without proofs.

Hi Zanzalym, and welcome to our friendly forums! I see your confusion here. You think you look at the world through an atheistic lens, a non theistic, non spiritual, non religious worldview. This is Satan's lie. It's not possible. You see, religion directs and controls our lives. It is not a question of whether people are religious, it is only a matter of which religion a person serves. This religious orientation is often not acknowledged in our day, yet God's creatures cannot escape this fundamental truth of their nature. They may worship false gods, or they may worship the true God, but they will worship someone or something (Matthew 12:30). Someone's religion controls every group, organization, institution, society. Every religion vies for power and control of our culture. To whom do you pledge your allegiance? To whom have you pledged your soul? To science? You might appreciate what science has to say about rational thinking.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Welcome to God's favourite forums, young lady.

This is a great place to learn all about the the temporary sacrifice Our Lord Jesus Christ made for all who would follow Him.

But what I notice in your intial post is 'I,I,I,I,I'. Do you think that maybe you could think about someone else?

Jesus gave the ultimate temporary scarifice so that you could be Saved(r) from HIs wrath: what have YOU done for Him?

YIC

[John Creeser]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

I have nothing about religious people but I don't understand them : how it's possible to believe so strongly in something without proofs.

The proof is in the Word.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Jeremiah 36:2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And there it is, the proof in which you seek.

And how you know it's the right religion ? I mean..well when someone ask about it generaly he is answered by an citation of the Bible that said "Jesus is the true path" or something like that but without offense, it's a bit senseless for someone who don't already believe in the Bible and Jesus and you're far the only ones to think like that : muslims said Islam is the true religion because it's written in the Quran, Jews thinks they are the chosen people because its written in the Tora, ect...why i would believe you rather than them ? Why i would believe them rather than you ?

This is a great question and there are many versions of the Bible which are false doctrines because they have been tainted by man. The only correct version of the Bible is the King James translation - all other Bibles and all other false doctrines (Torah, Quran, Book of Mormons, etc etc) will have you accursed. Take a look at the following scripture which explains why we have the truth and others do not;

Galatians 1:7-9
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Black and white my friend.

I hope that helps.

[Witch Hammer]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

And 99% of those who believed in a wrong religion goes to hell

Try 100%, jerk.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Blah, blah, blah, drivel, snort, more drivel (too much drivel) etc.

If you are so great, Zanzalym, why don't you understand why the righteous love Jesus and worship Almighty God, the maker of all there is?

[Des]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Zanzalym, are you here to try and blow us up because God loves America enough to give us free speech? Your name sounds kind of terroristy.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: I don't understand the whole concept of religion ?

Hello Zanzibar,

I must confess I've very carefully read every word of your post three times now, and I still can't figure out what you're trying to say.

Are you having some problem understanding the Bible? Is there some issue preventing you from truly connecting with Jesus?

We can help you with that.