[Twisted Focus]

Re: Hello from an atheist with questions

Just be aware that practices in the Bible are looked down upon today. If anybody were to be stoned in modern times, regardless of religion they all would be held accountable. Sometimes the stuff in the bible only applies to ancient times.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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Sometimes the stuff in the bible only applies to ancient times.

Jesus stated unequivocally in His sermon:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17)

Now what were you saying about how the old laws don't apply any more, heathen?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello from an atheist with questions

Just be aware that practices in the Bible are looked down upon today. If anybody were to be stoned in modern times, regardless of religion they all would be held accountable. Sometimes the stuff in the bible only applies to ancient times.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Any other questions that I can to spoon feed you, since you can't be bothered to do your own reading, bubblehead?

[Twisted Focus]

Re: Hello from an atheist with questions

Not to turn this into a debate. Do you both suggest that stoning in modern times is okay? Do you not feel that capital law is not good enough? Given a situation as presented in the Bible where it says you must stone someone, would you?

[HopscotchGirl]

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And there is a major difference between a TrueChristian™ and the unsaved like you. The Bible tells us to stay away from the unsaved, not to have "open arms." (Scripture supporting this is linked to above.) Have you read the Bible?

Good to know that if a pedophile asks you to help in the rape of children you wouldn't turn him down.

If you keep up this attitude, you will soon have a new "only thought about religion." That only thought will occur to you as you fall into the eternal lake of fire that is Hell and that ONLY THOUGHT will be something like "Ahhhhhh!!!!!! ARGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHGURGLE!!!!!!"

I take offense at your compariing the Holy Word of Jesus Christ to crack. The WORD OF GOD is NOT something to "get you through the day." It is the ONLY way to GET YOU THROUGH ETERNITY.

Well stop it. The word of the Lord is not something that you use your brain to find. It is there in the BIBLE in BLACK AND WHITE. Read it. Do it. End of story.

Just like homersexuality is a deathstyle.


I didn't think that up, God did. If God didn't say that those were the rules, I would be horrified at the idea that people should be raped and killed for the simplest transgressions. But as a Christian who accepts the HOLY BIBLE as the true and accurate word of GOD, I accept it without question. THAT is what being a TrueChristian™ is all about.

Please cite scripture to me that refers to paper cuts. I don't recall any passage that uses such a punishment, but I am open to havign my memory refreshed. most of the punishments are death, rape, slavery, dismemberment, or even genocide...but no paper cuts. I mean, think about it. How would the threat of a paper cut stop someone from raping any hottie they saw?


SOMETHING?

1. Genesis 19 God condemns all homosexual behavior.
2. Leviticus 18:22 God condemns all homosexual behavior.
3. Leviticus 20:13 God condemns all homosexual behavior.
4. Romans 1:26-27 God condemns all homosexual behavior.
5. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 God condemns all homosexual behavior. It also points out that homos will go to hell unless they are saved, at which time they become heterosexuals.
6. 1 Timothy 1:9-10 God condemns all homosexual behavior.
7. Jude 1:7 God condemns all homosexual behavior. It also points out that homos will go to hell.
   
   Want me to go on? OK!
8. Genesis 1:28 says sex is only for one man married to one woman.
9. Genesis 2:18 says God created humans for marriage and that he intends that to be one man married to one wife.
10. Genesis 2:23-24 says God created marriage only between one man and one women.
11. Genesis 9:20-29 is where Ham sees his father's (Noah's) tallywhacker and instead of covering it up or gouging his eyes out, he runs to tell his brothers. When Noah awakes, he curses all of Ham's descendants. (This is why the blacks are black to this day, by the way. They are all "Cursed Children of Ham. Don't believe me, I just gave you the scripture, go read it!)
12. Deuteronomy 23:17 calls for exile of homosexuals from Israel.
13. 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12 & 22:46 calls for exile of homosexuals from Israel.
14. 2 Kings 23:7 calls for exile of homosexuals from Israel.
15. Judges 19:14-29 God condemns homosexual behavior
16. Matthew 19:4-5 God approves of marriage only between one man and one women.
17. Matthew 19:10-12 is where God gives only some Christian the ability to remain single. In describing who can remain single, Jesus talks about 3 types of eunuchs:
    1. those born with malformed testicles
    2. those surgically castrated
    3. those who "have made themselves eunuchs." (Ouch!)
    
    

Go and look them all up. They are all there and I probably missed a few since I haven't completed my Theocentric Sexuality course yet.

Once you have read them all, let me know if this is an example of when a document "says something" about a matter. Proclaiming that the Bible "says something" about homosexuality is like saying that On The Origins of Species "says something" about evolution Satan!

He did make them perfect. They then CHOSE to turn away from God and become homersexuals. However they remain perfect in one respect: They are PERFECT examples of someone who is hell-bound.


Tip: Hit them over the head with the KJV1611 and see if they "get the hint."

He made us all believers. Down in your heathen heart, you too believe in God. You just hate him. Unfortunately for you, God also blessed us with Free Will, so you can choose not to hate him. You chose...poorly.


No, it means that their parents should drag them to the city gates and the whole city should stone the child to death:

Clear enough?


SHOUT GLORY! You got one right!

I know because God gave me an instruction manual: The King James Bible. It tells me that God Hates Fags, That God LOVES the smell of burnt offerings, and how I can be saved (Namely, by following the word of the Bible to the T.)

How are you still confused about how we know what God likes? HE TOLD US!

I don't think having the whole world ending up in Heaven would be in any way boring. That YOU think that is just another sign of your pact with SATAN.


I don't want everyone to think the same way on everything. I just know that God told us what to think in several key areas. What type of pie is your favorite is up to you, as long as it doesn't contain any shrimp (God hates shrimp. Leviticus 11:9-12.) and so long as you didn't do any work on the Sabbath to produce the pie (Leviticus 23:3) and, of course, so long as you don't wear an apron of mixed fibers when you make the pie for your husband (Leviticus 19:19). Other than that, enjoy your pie!


Have you not been listening to a thing I have said? There is ONE branch of True Christians™: Those that follow the word of GOD to the letter. All those hippy dippy Christian-lite people who just point to John 3:16 and say "God Is Love and that is all that matters" are LYING TO THEMSELVES! They might as well take an exacto-knife to their Bible and cut out the inconvenient parts. Oh wait, THEY DID.


Sorry, but God tells us to do so and we love God.

The only person you have enraged is Jesus. Or maybe you just made him cry a little...on the inside.

Excuse me? Me a pedophile? You put words in my mouth. You sick person, instantly thinking like that.

Also, falling into Hell? I don't believe in a Hell. You don't know if there is a Heaven or Hell. Neither do I, but neither do you.

I never brought up crack. You brought up crack. I'm saying, it it helps you get through tough times, hard days, then that's a good thing. I'm glad you have something like that. I think you missed the part where i said i'm not ok with drugs.

I have questions the bible can't answer. I don't have any question on the religion itself. My questions are to the people.

Deathstyle isn't a word. Also, why do some people say it as homersexuality? it makes me think of Homer Simpson.

I didn't say anything about paper cuts being an actual punishment. I meant that people shouldn't be hurt for being them, in any way. I don't think you should be hurt for being christian. I don't think homosexuals should be hurt for being gay. And I don't think I should be hurt for being atheist.

"he made them perfect, then they chose to turn away"? Thank you. that was an answer, that is all i was asking for. That was all you had to say.

Also, no i will not hit anyone with anything. I'd rather not go to jail.

And if it's my choice to not believe, so be it. It shouldn't concern you. My life is my life, God gave it to me to do what I want with. I could imagine him wanting me to pick a good path, but that doesn't always happen.

About the bit with stoning your child to death, could you really do it? Imagine if you were being stoned to death. Would you just let it happen to you? would you want it?

I was right on Christans hating logic? Alright, alright. Good to know i got something correct, thanks. Not much i can say about logic, you either have it or you don't. about logic on the above, logically, beating a child to death won't solve the problem you have. You'll just end up in jail. And I think i saw somewhere you don't want God's Chosen People in jail, something about women should marry their rapists sop they stay out of jail, such and such.

Alright, i guess I'll take that as an answer, that he told you what he likes and doesn't like. But it's been thousands of years since the Bible was first written?

Again, you put words in my mouth. i have no pact with satan, i can't have a pact with something I do not believe in. See, I don't believe there is a God, but I do not believe there is a Satan either. I can't follow what i don't believe, right?

...God....hates shrimp? that sounds really.... out there. but ok. I'm jsut gonna go with it, that's a new fact to me, god hating shrimp is in the Bible.

There are multiple branches of this religion under the same name. I said nothing about them being exactly alike, that's the point of "branching out", there's differences.

So, God tells you to save scum, yet i read you don't even let in crippled people who do believe? You don't try to show the good side to those who don't believe so they may turn? All i have seen is horrible, horrible things on this site. That is not religion to me.

the only one i have enraged is Jesus, yet you're the one who sounds angry at me. I'm sorry you're upset over me having some questions, but unlike pastor ezekial or whoever replied first, I at least took time to read your reply.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello from an atheist with questions

Not to turn this into a debate. Do you both suggest that stoning in modern times is okay? Do you not feel that capital law is not good enough? Given a situation as presented in the Bible where it says you must stone someone, would you?

We have to follow the laws of man, but once Biblical law comes back to America, I will gladly do as the Word requires me to.

[HopscotchGirl]

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Sigh...


What the Bible says about Rape Deuteronomy 22:23-29

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Gay people.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26-27, 32
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
People who condone homosexuality.
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Discipline of children.
Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

The final discipline of an unruly child.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.



You see, the Bible holds the answers to all of life's questions.

Alright, that did open a few things for me. a few. The bible is thousands of years old, isn't it? Society has changed since then. You can't beat your children. But I don't think a religion should change because of society, but most of these things, beating, stoning, you cannot do these things today.

If a man lays with another man as he does a woman, that's against God. ok, i get that. But the rape thing... being a woman myself, I can almost understand how a woman feels after being raped. Now if a woman and man unmarried have sex, ok, i can see where christians would be upset, i've known all my life the "sex before marriage" deal. I'm pretty cool with that, and even though i dont know if want to be married, i still want to be with only one man. But rape is something called Non consensual. Whoever is raped (cause men do get raped by women; just not reported as often.) did not WANT the sex. They did not WANT to be with that person, do those things, etc.

Should they still be punished for something they did not want?

[HopscotchGirl]

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Jesus stated unequivocally in His sermon: Now what were you saying about how the old laws don't apply any more, heathen?

Excuse me? You think you can get away with beating your child in public today?

Yeah. You can't. you wouldn't do it, because you know you cant.

[Levi Jones]

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Should they still be punished for something they did not want?

It depends on the situation. If it happened in the city and she didn't call for help, then the punishment is death for both. If it's in the countryside and no one could hear her scream, then that rapist has robbed both her father and her husband to be and deserves death.

If she wasn't engaged to be married then the rapist has to pay her father and take the damaged goods off of his hands.

Her hymen. He broke it, so he has to buy it and support her for all the rest of his days. How could that not be seen as a fitting punishment? The rapist has to listen to her complain and scream at him for the rest of his life. That's some poetic justice there.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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Alright, that did open a few things for me. a few. The bible is thousands of years old, isn't it? Society has changed since then.

This is the second time you have mentioned this? Yes, the Bible has stood the test of time even as society has changed. If you are somehow suggesting that suggesting that mere fact that the Bible was delivered to man during the Bronze age (when a wheel-burrow would have been a major engineering feat) that this somehow means that it is out of date, then you just haven't been listening.

Since you like logixc so much I will put it this way:

1. BIBLE = WORD OF GOD

2. BIBLE HAS NOT CHANGED

3. ERGO: THE WORD OF GOD HAS NOT CHANGED (EVEN THOUGH SOCIETY HAS)

Can I make it any plainer? The only reason that we don't enforce the punishments now is that the BIBLE tells us to obey the secular laws of men. That is why you see so many of us trying to change teh secular laws of men like how we try to outlaw abortion, increase the use fo capital punishment, and, hopefully one day, bring back biblical law.

How is this hateful? We love you and all humans and we just want to do what GOD told us to do so that you might be saved. PLEASE... you are going to go to Hell and I don't want you to. You won't like it there.

[Levi Jones]

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Excuse me? You think you can get away with beating your child in public today?

Yeah. You can't. you wouldn't do it, because you know you cant.

Says the teenaged bimbo who has no children. I have whipped my kids plenty of times for being knuckleheads in the store or a restaurant. The embarrassment keeps them in line.

[HopscotchGirl]

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It depends on the situation. If it happened in the city and she didn't call for help, then the punishment is death for both. If it's in the countryside and no one could hear her scream, then that rapist has robbed both her father and her husband to be and deserves death.

If she wasn't engaged to be married then the rapist has to pay her father and take the damaged goods off of his hands.

Her hymen. He broke it, so he has to buy it and support her for all the rest of his days. How could that not be seen as a fitting punishment? The rapist has to listen to her complain and scream at him for the rest of his life. That's some poetic justice there.

If no one is around to hear her scream, then she couldn't get help even if she tried. You shouldn't blame her. "hen that rapist has robbed both her father and her husband to be and deserves death."? You think the rapist deserves death when you say that, right? Thank you, finally something that makes at least a little sense. I really don't like death sentences, but rape puts alot of stress on the victim, male or female.

"damaged good"? Excuse me? She didn't ask to be damaged, and you can't put a price on virginity. People are not goods you can just replace.

And forcing her to live with him? Would you live with someone if they raped you? If someone is hurt by someone, do they move in with them, do they go visit them? NO. They don't.

[HopscotchGirl]

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Says the teenaged bimbo who has no children. I have whipped my kids plenty of times for being knuckleheads in the store or a restaurant. The embarrassment keeps them in line.

Yes, I have no children. Because I'm still a virgin, and I haven't had sex yet. But I've babysitted children before, and I love kids.

Legally, any harm done to a child calls for law enforcement. Sure, embarrasment keeps them in line, and if they need to calm down in public, pulled them over to the side, snapping that them VERBALLY, or keeping ahold of their hand is fine. pulling out the belt in public is not okay, i don't care what your religion says.

[Levi Jones]

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If no one is around to hear her scream, then she couldn't get help even if she tried. You shouldn't blame her. "hen that rapist has robbed both her father and her husband to be and deserves death."? You think the rapist deserves death when you say that, right? Thank you, finally something that makes at least a little sense. I really don't like death sentences, but rape puts alot of stress on the victim, male or female.

Of course he deserves death. He deserves death just as much as a witch, someone who worships other gods, someone who commits bestiality or a rebellious child.

I'm glad we have found some common ground here.

"damaged good"? Excuse me? She didn't ask to be damaged, and you can't put a price on virginity. People are not goods you can just replace.

Actually, you can. It's exactly 50 shekels of silver.

And forcing her to live with him? Would you live with someone if they raped you?

No, I would be stoned for being a sodomite.

If someone is hurt by someone, do they move in with them, do they go visit them? NO. They don't.

And that's all going to change once God's law is made supreme again!

[Levi Jones]

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Yes, I have no children. Because I'm still a virgin, and I haven't had sex yet. But I've babysitted children before, and I love kids.

Legally, any harm done to a child calls for law enforcement. Sure, embarrasment keeps them in line, and if they need to calm down in public, pulled them over to the side, snapping that them VERBALLY, or keeping ahold of their hand is fine. pulling out the belt in public is not okay, i don't care what your religion says.

It is not illegal to spank your children regardless of where you are. If you call the police for a parent whipping their kid in a store, they would laugh at you and tell you to mind your own business where I live.