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  • Ciffian says Hello =D

    Hello everyone,

    My name is Ciffian and am 18 years old. I aplied myself to this forum in search of the truth. And in order to find the truth, one must seek in every corner, right?

    Anyway, I am a believer. It has been 3 years know since I started to know god. On the tenth of Oktober 2009 I gave my hearth to Jezus. probebly a well know story for the most of you. This opened my eyes.

    Funny thing is, I am a rational thinker. I do believe in the concept of evolution and the bigbang theory, yet I am sure that God exists. I've already read a few posts here and there on this forum and I saw that most members here do not like the concept of evolution. A question in my head there rises: "Why can't the concept of Creation and Evolution co-exist?".

    That actually the main reason I joined this forum. In order to know the truth about these kind of questions I to have to find the awnsers from members of this forum. I thank you all for this chance.

    Love an Peace,

    Ciffian

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    Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

    Hello and Welcome.
    What part of Genesis (King James Version) did you not understand?

    Sister Talitha

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    • #3
      Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

      Originally posted by Talitha View Post
      Hello and Welcome.
      What part of Genesis (King James Version) did you not understand?
      Thank you =D

      I am wondering, are you refering to the first sentence of the bible?
      "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

      If so, then I don't understand the question. It does not disprove evolution.

      If you are reffering to another sentence, please tell me.

      Love and Peace,

      Ciffian

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      • #4
        Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

        Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
        Thank you =D

        I am wondering, are you refering to the first sentence of the bible?
        "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

        If so, then I don't understand the question. It does not disprove evolution.

        If you are reffering to another sentence, please tell me.

        Love and Peace,

        Ciffian
        There is more than one sentence in the BOOK of Genesis, friend.

        That's why it is called the BOOK of Genesis, not the SENTENCE of Genesis.

        If you can manage to read a few pages, you'll see an explicit description of how God created the entire universe, earth, people, etc. in only six days. (OK, actually seven, because He rested on the 7th day, during which He created the Sabbath, so He wasn't slothful in His resting.)

        Now, recognizing this, how can you believe in evolution?
        Bible boring? Nonsense!
        Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
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          Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

          Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
          There is more than one sentence in the BOOK of Genesis, friend.

          That's why it is called the BOOK of Genesis, not the SENTENCE of Genesis.

          If you can manage to read a few pages, you'll see an explicit description of how God created the entire universe, earth, people, etc. in only six days. (OK, actually seven, because He rested on the 7th day, during which He created the Sabbath, so He wasn't slothful in His resting.)

          Now, recognizing this, how can you believe in evolution?
          That is not very hard actually. First of all. Let us say that the earth was created at the start of the first day, and day and night were not yet created, how could something like a day be called. We, humans, define a day as 24 hours, one cycle of day and night. Mayby god defined one day as one Bilion years. If thats the case then the theory of evolution is very plausible.

          Somewhere in the bible ( I don't know the passage, sorry for that ) there is a phrase like "For Gods a day is like a thousand days and a thousand days are like a day."

          For example, in day 5 the Fish and Birds were created. If one day took one Bilion years, then it would mean that the fish and birds evolved in these 1 Bilion years. After these years, day 6 emerged and the Animals and Adam were made. What if the fish mentioned in day 5 evolved into the animals and Men? Would that not be possible?

          Evolution tells us that we originate form the apes and they in turn originate form sealife (the fish). So why can't these two not co-exist?

          Love and Peace,

          Ciffian

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            Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

            Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
            That is not very hard actually. First of all. Let us say that the earth was created at the start of the first day, and day and night were not yet created, how could something like a day be called. We, humans, define a day as 24 hours, one cycle of day and night. Mayby god defined one day as one Bilion years. If thats the case then the theory of evolution is very plausible.

            Somewhere in the bible ( I don't know the passage, sorry for that ) there is a phrase like "For Gods a day is like a thousand days and a thousand days are like a day."

            For example, in day 5 the Fish and Birds were created. If one day took one Bilion years, then it would mean that the fish and birds evolved in these 1 Bilion years. After these years, day 6 emerged and the Animals and Adam were made. What if the fish mentioned in day 5 evolved into the animals and Men? Would that not be possible?

            Evolution tells us that we originate form the apes and they in turn originate form sealife (the fish). So why can't these two not co-exist?

            Love and Peace,

            Ciffian
            As I have recently come to understand, there is nothing to be interpreted in the bible, it is all literal and it's meaning is plainly obvious.

            A day is a day, how can a day be 1 billion years? If one day was 1 billion years then the earth would be turning at much less than 1 billionth of it's current speed, you would not have a night time. There would be no cycle of day and night and all life would cease...

            No, you're not making any sense I'm afraid.

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            • #7
              Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

              Originally posted by Hell Fury View Post
              As I have recently come to understand, there is nothing to be interpreted in the bible, it is all literal and it's meaning is plainly obvious.

              A day is a day, how can a day be 1 billion years? If one day was 1 billion years then the earth would be turning at much less than 1 billionth of it's current speed, you would not have a night time. There would be no cycle of day and night and all life would cease...

              No, you're not making any sense I'm afraid.
              First of all, if you read my previous post, you might notice that I mentioned that one day may differ from our understanding and that of God.

              Second, you're second argument doesn't add up. Like I said we define a day as 24 hours. We choose these time setting, because these add up to changes in the enviroment. Like day and night, we call that a day. Like one cycle of change in the seasons, we call that a year.

              Thirth, it is very wel known that we have a free will. Therefore god could not have known how we would interpered a day. If God first saw a day as, for example, one bilion years, then the earth would make countless of 24-hour cycles. When men came to earth, they maybe interpered the 24 hour cycle (Day and Night) as one day. We do not know. Let us say this is the case, then yes the Bible is indeed correct.

              Do you understand my way of seeing things?

              Love and Peace,

              Ciffian

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                Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
                First of all, if you read my previous post, you might notice that I mentioned that one day may differ from our understanding and that of God.
                By that "logic", you could throw everything the bible says into doubt.

                If God doesn't know what a day is then he isn't much of a God, is he?

                Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
                Second, you're second argument doesn't add up. Like I said we define a day as 24 hours. We choose these time setting, because these add up to changes in the enviroment. Like day and night, we call that a day. Like one cycle of change in the seasons, we call that a year.
                The bible was "written"... by the time the bible was "written", writing and language came to exist. At that point the definition of a day was already known and set. Don't you think God would know better than to say one day when he actually means one billion years? How could anyone, let alone God himself, make that mistake?

                Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
                Thirth, it is very wel known that we have a free will. Therefore god could not have known how we would interpered a day. If God first saw a day as, for example, one bilion years, then the earth would make countless of 24-hour cycles. When men came to earth, they maybe interpered the 24 hour cycle (Day and Night) as one day. We do not know. Let us say this is the case, then yes the Bible is indeed correct.
                Again, the bible was "written".

                Do you understand my way of seeing things?

                Love and Peace,

                Ciffian[/QUOTE]

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                • #9
                  Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                  Originally posted by Ciffian View Post
                  First of all, if you read my previous post, you might notice that I mentioned that one day may differ from our understanding and that of God.
                  This is absolute rubbish - it sounds to me that someone with weak faith is moving from God and inventing excuses to continue to believe when, in fact, they are a secret atheist.

                  How can you possibly know that days were long at Creation? Ciffian - there is something wrong with your head. You are imagining things - you are inventing fairy-tales! You think you can know what only God knows!

                  A Day has always been 24hrs - always. The earth is 6,000 years old. Why would God want more time?

                  Why are you making excuses for scientists?
                  1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
                  1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                    Dear friend:

                    Since Genesis 1:5 defines day as light and night as darkness, and since the days of creation are characterized as "the evening and the morning," does that not imply that the word "day" should have its literal meaning?

                    Also, let's assume arguendo that a day can be any length of time. Even so, the order of creation in Genesis chapter 1 and that proposed by evil-utionists contradict each other. Genesis chapter 1 specifies that the heaven and the earth, light, day, and night were created on day 1; Heaven, on day 2; dry land, seas, and plants, on day 3; the sun, moon, and stars, on day 4; sea creatures and birds, on day 5; and land creatures and man, on day 6. As far as I understand evil-utionism, the order proposed therein is completely different.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      This is absolute rubbish - it sounds to me that someone with weak faith is moving from God and inventing excuses to continue to believe when, in fact, they are a secret atheist.

                      How can you possibly know that days were long at Creation? Ciffian - there is something wrong with your head. You are imagining things - you are inventing fairy-tales! You think you can know what only God knows!

                      A Day has always been 24hrs - always. The earth is 6,000 years old. Why would God want more time?

                      Why are you making excuses for scientists?
                      1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
                      1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
                      Well said! It is an absolute delight and relief to be enlightened by those that can so easily and clearly understand and divine the truth of things from the one Holy and eternal book.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Pastor Isaac Peters View Post
                        sea creatures and birds, on day 5; and land creatures and man, on day 6. As far as I understand evil-utionism, the order proposed therein is completely different.
                        Yes, they think that sea creatures came first, then became land lizards (giant dinosaurs), some of which became birds and some of which went back into the ocean to become porpoises and whales!
                        Bible boring? Nonsense!
                        Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                        You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                          Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
                          Yes, they think that sea creatures came first, then became land lizards (giant dinosaurs), some of which became birds and some of which went back into the ocean to become porpoises and whales!
                          What a scoff! If scientists were not the agents of Satan, I would think they were in fact comedians.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ciffian says Hello =D

                            So this


                            Became this?


                            How gullible do they think we are?
                            Drama queen

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