[GOD=life]

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You have advertly strengthened my arguement. $2427 per individual to 'liberate'

It's doesn't matter: I'm not interested in "winning" a discussion by obscuring the truth. Rather the opposite: real progress can only be made by revealing the entire Truth, regardless of how we personally feel about it.

The war is expensive, that's a fact. But we did get rid of Saddam. And although Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught yet, there have been no major attacks on American soil anymore. And much of the money went to American companies, so it got pumped back into the American economy again.

What really hurt the American economy wasn't so much the war, but the housing crisis.

So, again by this logic, there are no evil Americans right?

Sorry, but that's a strawman. If you're going to point out bad things about Americans as a group, then I can point out good things about Americans as a group.

It is fallacious to then point to individuals who do not represent Americans to try to disprove my claim. Unless the majority of Americans consider Charles Mansion their moral leader, it would be silly to consider him representative of American values.

If there's evil in the world, there's high probability that the ones fighting it will be Americans. That the ones bleeding financially for it will be Americans. The ones bleeding literally will be Americans.

Actually you dont. I was also in Iraq during mid 2006 - early 07, I was a soildier in the RAinf. I wont delve to much on this because obviously you wont believe me.

Your claim is not relevant to the crux of the argument, so I have no interest in verifying whether you were there. I'll take it at face value. I've never been there myself, but I talk regularly to people who are and were.

Thus, in my view, my own interest goes a little further than the cavalier attitude you ascribe to Americans. War should never be taken lightly. Once you start, you have to finish it. That's pretty much the situation in Iraq: we won the war within a week or two.

So why are we "stuck" there? All military objectives have been reached years ago. Saddam is dead, etc. The reason we're there is because we want them to establish a free and thriving democracy. It's difficult for them because of their violent history, but we're still there -- no matter the cost. That is commitment to a case.

It is rare that you will see an American back down from something he started. Quitting is not an American value.

It has nothing to do with intelligence. You do realise the person with the best IQ doesnt run the country right?

Considering Mr. Obama is our "president", I can only agree wholeheartedly with your statement.

... on an operating system that is open source

Which OS? Linux? net/open/freeBSD? If Linux: yes, it's true that Linus Torvalds started on Linux while he was European, but which country is he in now......... ?

by a site of a man who is RICH and commiting the sin of GREED

True, but nevertheless and opportunity afforded to him by America.

I bet that your clothes are made in china like the majority of your household goods.

My wife makes my clothes. We try to be as self-sufficient as we can. We like it that way. It's possible some items in our house aren't American, I'd have to check.

Is this why there is a huge influx of US immigrants to Australia, but not vice - versa?

I didn't say that there's 0 emigrating from the USA. People may emigrate for different reasons. You'd need to present more background data on this before I can comment.

[greggorymcflar]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

Is this thing on wikipedia true?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Well, I clicked the link and it went straight to the Page that Pastor Deacon Fred authorized. So, In answer to your question, you've found Landover.

[Hamburger]

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Okay, I respect that you all have your opinion and religion, but hating anyone that isnt your religion is NOT okay. Why exactly DO you hate gays? Or blacks? And if your just going to referance that one part of the bible where it says something about a man and a woman only or something like that I DONT want to hear it. Just because they are different does not make them "evil" as I've seen some of you say. And finally, calling someone who isnt part of your religion "trash" is VERY offensive. So does that mean since you aren't MY religion I can call you trash? No. Everyone can worship what they want. Everyone.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Okay, I respect that you all have your opinion and religion, but hating anyone that isnt your religion is NOT okay.

Then how do you explain this? 2 Chronicles 15:13 Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Why exactly DO you hate gays?

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

Or blacks?

I don't think that you will find any hatred towards nigras here! Much may be made of one if he is taken early.

Just because they are different does not make them "evil" as I've seen some of you say.

Of course it does! If you are made in the image of God, and then you decide you don't like it, is that not just the sort of thing of which the Devil would approve?

And finally, calling someone who isnt part of your religion "trash" is VERY offensive.

Ga:4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

So does that mean since you aren't MY religion I can call you trash?

That is laughable. I have not the faintest idea what tin-pot god you sacrifice to, but Landover is the One True Religion. All others are "of Satan."

Everyone can worship what they want. Everyone.

And they all will burn in Hell.

I am now going to pray for your immortal soul.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Lots of Americans (including false-Americans, like blue-staters and brown people) agree with us:

• 18% believe that the earth is the center of the universe. 3% said "no opinion." Gallup (1999)
• 10% believe that environmentalists intentionally caused the oil spill
• A 2004 study showed that 51% of Americans believe in Creationism
• 18% of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim. (Pew Research Center)
• 80% of Americans believe the US government is lying about whatever happened at Roswell
  

[_The Earthling_]

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By the way, America is not a Democracy, it is not even a Republic, it is a MONARCHY

Technically yes, de facto, no, though at this moment a monarchy would be an improvement.

As Benjamin Franklin was asked: "what have we got—a republic or a monarchy?". He replied "A republic—if you can keep it."

Well, we couldn't keep it.

"To turn a republican government into a despotism the basest and most brutal, it is not necessary formally to change its constitution or abandon popular elections. It was centuries after Caesar before the absolute master of the Roman world pretended to rule other than by authority of a Senate...

Forms are nothing when substance has gone, and the forms of popular government are those from which the substance of freedom may most easily go. A government of universal suffrage and theoretics equality may, under conditions which impel the change, most readily be come a despotism...

And when the disparity of condition increases, so does universal suffrage make it easy to seize the source of power, for the greater is the proportion of power in the hands of those who feel no direct interest in the conduct of government; who, tortured by want and embruted by poverty, are ready to sell their votes to the highest bidder or follow the lead of the most blatant demagogue; who, made bitter by hardships, may even look upon profligate and tyrannous government with the satisfaction we may imagine the proletarians and slaves of Rome to have felt, as they saw a Caligula or Nero raging among the rich patricians. Given a community with republican institutions, in which the few roll in wealth and the many seethe with discontent, and power must pass into the hands of Jobbers who will buy and sell it, or into the hands of demagogues who will seize and wield It for a time, only to be replaced by worse demagogues.

Where there is gross inequality In the distribution of wealth, the more democratic the government the worse it will be; for, while rotten democracy may not in itself be worse than rotten autocracy, its effects upon national character will be worse. To put political power in the hands of men embittered and degraded by poverty is to tie firebrands to foxes and turn them loose amid the standing corn; it is to put out the eyes of a Samson and to twine his arms around the pillars of national life.

Even the accidents of hereditary succession or of selection by lot, the plan of some of the ancient republics, may sometimes place the wise and just in power; but in a corrupt democracy the tendency is always to give power to the worst. Honesty and patriotism are weighted, and unscrupulousness commands success. The best gravitate to the bottom, the worst float to the top, and the vile will only be ousted by the viler. While as national character must gradually assimilate to the qualities that win power, and consequently respect, that demoralization of opinion goes on which in the long panorama of history we may see over and over again transmuting races of freemen into races of slaves.

...where there are no hereditary distinctions, and men are habitually seen to raise themselves by corrupt qualities from the lowest places to wealth and power, tolerance of these qualities finally becomes admiration. A corrupt democratic government must finally corrupt the people, and when a people become corrupt there is no resurrection.

Now, this transformation of popular government into despotism of the most degrading kind, which must inevitably result from the unequal distribution of wealth, is not a thing of the far future....Our legislative bodies are steadily deteriorating in standard; men of the highest ability and character eschew politics; political differences are ceasing to be differences of principle, and parties are passing into the control of what in general government would be oligarchies and dictatorships.

...In all the great American cities there la today as clearly defined a ruling class as in. the most aristocratic countries of the world. Its members carry wards in their pockets, make up the slates for nominating conventions, distribute offices as they bargain together, and -- though they toil not, neither do they spin -- wear the best of raiment and spend money lavishly. They are men of power, whose favor the ambitious must court and whose vengeance he must avoid. Who are these men? The wise, the good, the learned -- men who have earned the confidence of their fellow-citizens by the purity of their lives, the splendor of their talents, their probity in public trusts, their deep study of the problems of government? No; they are gamblers....Why, there are many election districts in the United States in which a George Washington, a Benjamin Franklin or a Thomas Jefferson could no more go to the lower house of a State Legislature than under the Ancient Regime a base-born peasant could become a marshal of France. Their very character would be an insuperable disqualification....

The use of torture in judicial Investigations, which steadily grew with the decline of the Roman civilization...might...be demanded as a necessary improvement..."


-Henry George

[Terrae]

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I think God might be good if It would have been real. I think men and women made a hatefull and spitefull image of It, if It would exist. I think the God that should have been would have liked true religion. Especially the kind of true religion that made people think twice (or more) before mocking It's message.

Of all the comedians, you have been the people It would have liked the most.

for you.

[IHateGod666]

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Yeah come and try to bash me over the head,see what happens!

[Shela Tansper]

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Yeah come and try to bash me over the head,see what happens!

My you are filled with hate and violence

Proverb 10:6 Blessings [are] upon the head of the just: but VIOLENCE covereth the mouth of the wicked.

[Lisa H]

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Yeah come and try to bash me over the head,see what happens!

Now why would anyone want to do that. We have the Lord on our side.

Exodus 14:14 The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still."

[SamSeekingSalvation]

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80% of Americans believe the US government is lying about whatever happened at Roswell

What ignorant people, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that god created aliens.

[Sally Paulson]

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What ignorant people, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that god created aliens.

That's not the point, the point is that 8 out of 10 Americans believe contradicting eyewitness testimonies of massive secret conspiracies - that involve everybody in science yet nobody in the media.

Since the above is what atheists keep attacking us for, maybe they should try attacking that 80% of Americans - 240,000,000 people - instead.

[psychosammi]

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I got an email recently stating:

I will prat that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace.

What in the hell is wrong with you people? I don't remember demons crawling up my ass. I'm guessing it would really hurt, but I guess I'm wrong. You people sicken me with your close-mindedness. You're all probably the spawn of skinheads, and therefore you're all skinheads yourself. You think anyone not like you is bad. How do I know this? I've been reading this hilariously wrong thread.

. . . while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum.

Um, what? I live in America. The Constitution states that I have the right to free speech. No matter what you think, the American Federal Government has more power than you fifty-year old men who are single, own cats, and probably touch yourselves at night so you feel wanted.

I don't get why you all are so hateful and bigoted.God accepts people for who they are; as they come! He only judges us after we've died! That's when we either go to Heaven or Hell or the In-Between, when our soul is in limbo because we're scared to get judged.

Tell me, am I evil? I'm white. I'm Christian. I'm Republican. Yet I refuse to believe anything you say.

[Master Gordon]

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Tell me, am I evil? I'm white. I'm Christian. I'm Republican. Yet I refuse to believe anything you say.

Can do yes you are evil. If you were white, Christian and a Republican you would believe us, therefore, you must be a filthy liar and you must be hell bound.