Mikkel Clement :) - my introduction

[McClement]

Hi everybody

I'm not an american, nor a baptist. No, im a danish 18 year old boy who lives in Denmark, and is a part of the danish Lutheran church, and beside is spending time in the local Christian youth association, and taking part in the board in that association( lmu.dk ) -danish page. I dont really know why i ended in this community except that i got a link from a friend to your forum and i was surprised of the article i read ( http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=43415 ). So i have written a comment to this article and hope to get a good discussing about this. I'm normally very open about other people opinions and therefor expect other people to be likely to my opinions. If this introduction is not good enough or your want to know more, just post a comment and i'll try to answer your questions

Regards Mikkel Clement

[True Disciple]

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Hi everybody

Hello, Mikkel.

I'm not an american, nor a baptist.

Why aren't you a baptist? I hope you do realize that baptism is essential fo Salvation(tm)?

Acts 2:38:
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No, im a danish 18 year old boy who lives in Denmark, and is a part of the danish Lutheran church, and beside is spending time in the local Christian youth association, and taking part in the board in that association( lmu.dk ) -danish page.

You're a lutheran? Why do you hate jews?

"First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..."
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ..."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. ..."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ..."
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ..."
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them. ... Such money should now be used in ... the following [way]... Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed [a certain amount]..."
"Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow... For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants."
"If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country" and "we must drive them out like mad dogs."
- Martin Luther, On the Jews and their lies, 47:268-288, 292

Racism is not tolerated around here, you know.

If this introduction is not good enough or your want to know more, just post a comment and i'll try to answer your questions

Regards Mikkel Clement

I would like to know, what is your favorite Bible Verse? And what is it that makes you prefer an antisemitic German monk over Jesus Christ?

[McClement]

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Acts 2:38:
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You take this out of context. There is said, that many came and heard jesus preach, and many came to faith. Therefore they went to peter and / or jesus and got baptised as a sign of their faith. For me that means that it's not the fact that you get baptised that makes you worth heaven and you get the holy spirit. NO - it's the fact that you take jesus as your saviour and redemer, and let him be the light on your path. But i've have been baptised when i was young and then later on i was confirmed when i gave my own YES to the bible and Jesus.

[McClement]

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Hello, Mikkel.



You're a lutheran? Why do you hate jews?

"First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..."
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ..."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. ..."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ..."
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ..."
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them. ... Such money should now be used in ... the following [way]... Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed [a certain amount]..."
"Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow... For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants."
"If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country" and "we must drive them out like mad dogs."
- Martin Luther, On the Jews and their lies, 47:268-288, 292

Racism is not tolerated around here, you know.



I would like to know, what is your favorite Bible Verse? And what is it that makes you prefer an antisemitic German monk over Jesus Christ?

Okay, now one more thing. This site is very nice and all. But one thing is wrong. You are very fast to post comment and judge people. It is not your ow to judge people. When thats said, i think it's good to advice people to live a good christian life. But judging people is not gods will, because only god can!

Now, i think you've got a wrong impression of the lutheran church. First off all the danish lutheran church doesn't build on luther, but on the bible after him. Which is the same as you use( i think). = I dont really care about luther and what he said, i only care about the bible that decent from hes time. I dont know the story about luther very well, and i dont think thats the most important point. The important thing is that i believe in God in heaven and hes son Jesus Christ who have sent the holy spirit to me and my fellow Christians.

And no, i dont hate jews, i dont hate anyone. But ofcourse, im a human being and can't be without sin, and therefore think bad thought about people sometimes. that is how the world is and made us unfortunately. said in another way, im NOT a racist( have a good israel friend - met him when i was in israel), and i dont hate jews at all!

the bible verse i a quite hard question There is many good one, but i can post the one i presented last week when i was telling a devotion at the local LMU (lutheran mission youth - translated to english - in danish( Luthersk missions ungdom)

im not very good at saying the books of the bible in english, but it's from the letter to the romans chapter 10, verse 9-13.

hope you can read it, else ask me :b

Regards Mikkel

[Nobar King]

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You are very fast to post comment and judge people.

In psychology, this is called projection. It means that you are the one who is quick to judge, yet you hold others to a higher standard.

[McClement]

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In psychology, this is called projection. It means that you are the one who is quick to judge, yet you hold others to a higher standard.

And you are too now like i said, we are all sinners and can't therefore judge each other. God might be right when he said humans can't judge each other?

Mikkel

[True Disciple]

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You take this out of context. There is said, that many came and heard jesus preach, and many came to faith. Therefore they went to peter and / or jesus and got baptised as a sign of their faith. For me that means that it's not the fact that you get baptised that makes you worth heaven and you get the holy spirit.

Didn't you read this Verse? Peter says "be baptized, and ye shall receive." That is clearly a causal relationship there between the act of Baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost. You can say: "for me it means something different than what the Verse says," but this won't change anything about what's written there in the first place: that the Holy Ghost is received through Baptism.

More about the importance of Baptism:

Ephesians 4:4-6:
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Baptism is named together with faith, God, Spirit, body and hope (Christ's crucifixion) here. If baptism was just a symbol, then why should it be so important? And why should there be only one?

Your unbiblical arguments make no sense, I'm afraid.

NO - it's the fact that you take jesus as your saviour and redemer, and let him be the light on your path. But i've have been baptised when i was young and then later on i was confirmed when i gave my own YES to the bible and Jesus.

About baptism, that's all I want to know from you.

However, about you claiming to follow Jesus, many people claim to follow Jesus, but do not do that in reality:

Matthew 7:21-23:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How do we know who truly follow Jesus? By watching their works, of course:

John 14:21:
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Keeping Jesus' commandments means following the Bible, both the Old Testament:

Matthew 5:17-18:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

As well as the rest of Scripture:

2 Timothy 3:15-17:
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Do you do that? For example, do you think rape "victims" should marry their rapists, as ordered in Deuteronomy 22:28-29? I'm asking this because many false christians who visit this site seem to have problems with God's Word when it concerns these parts, and pick and choose among Bible Verses, leaving in only the ones that fit their predetermined moral standards. This, of course, is not the way a Christian behaves, as I've shown in the above Scripture Quotes. Therefore, asking christians about this Verse is a good tool to distinguish True Christians™ from false ones.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You are very fast to post comment and judge people. It is not your ow to judge people. When thats said, i think it's good to advice people to live a good christian life. But judging people is not gods will, because only god can!

Once again, we have a false Christian who cherry-picks the Holy Word of God and lacks discernment. As usual, he's got it all wrong.


Please take a look at my sermon on the subject of judging others HERE.

[True Disciple]

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But one thing is wrong. You are very fast to post comment and judge people. It is not your ow to judge people. When thats said, i think it's good to advice people to live a good christian life. But judging people is not gods will, because only god can!

Again, you show very little Scriptural knowledge here. You might want to consider the following Scripture Verses:

1 Corinthians 6:2-3:
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 2:12-16:
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Clearly, people who have received the Spirit which is of God, you know, the one that can be received only through Baptism, are allowed to judge "all things," and will "judge the world." So your assertion that we True Christians™ wouldn't be allowed to judge anyone is ludicrous.

Now, i think you've got a wrong impression of the lutheran church. First off all the danish lutheran church doesn't build on luther, but on the bible after him. Which is the same as you use( i think).

That would be the KJV 1611.

Another question: if you do not build on Luther, then why do you call yourself lutheran? That's confusing, just like you calling yourself Christian without building on Christ.

im not very good at saying the books of the bible in english, but it's from the letter to the romans chapter 10, verse 9-13.

Romans 10:9-13:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Those are some beautiful Scripture Verses. It always comforts me to know that Jesus died for each and every one of my sins, and encourages me to take a firm stand against all ungodliness, from atheists and false christians alike.

If you want to find Scripture in English, I can advise you to use this site:

King James Version of the Bible - Online Search

[McClement]

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hmm, i knew it would be hard to come to a baptist forum an try convince people of the truth, but this is realle a challenge As you know im only 18 and havn't stuied the bible 100 years yet but that doesn't mean that God can't help me read the bible.

Hmm, im trying to say it right, but my english makes it a bit hard because i dont know how to translate everything. But i'll try again, because that wasn't what i ment

peter talk to a community of people who dont believe in jesus. he says like: Turn to jesus AND be baptised and you will recieve the holy spirit. He doesn't say, be baptised and get the holy spirit. The first thing in the sentence is become christian and then get baptised and recieve the holy spirit. = It's the baptism, but the"turn to jesus". But to baptised is like saying, YES JESUS - I GIVE MY LIFE TO YOU - HERE IS MY SIGN *baptising*...

So i agree, baptism is VERY important, but it's not the only thing that saves you. Like your bible verses proclaim, he will face many "christians" and he will say he dont know them, because they only look christian, but dont KNOW jesus as their friend and saviour, but only as a easy way to avoid hell.

hope that explained it better - if someone is former danish and can translate, i can try write in danish instead if it still troubles you understanding me

About me being personal christian or not. YES - I am. I can't show you that im a christian because only god knows, but i can try.

I believe in both then new and the old testamony, and believe that god didn't write anything down in that bible which was not ment to be read by the people living today.

"Do you do that? For example, do you think rape "victims" should marry their rapists, as ordered in Deuteronomy 22:28-29? I'm asking this because many false christians who visit this site seem to have problems with God's Word when it concerns these parts, and pick and choose among Bible Verses, leaving in only the ones that fit their predetermined moral standards. This, of course, is not the way a Christian behaves, as I've shown in the above Scripture Quotes. Therefore, asking christians about this Verse is a good tool to distinguish True Christians™ from false ones."

Hmm, nice one. The should not be any rapist in the first place. And yes they should mary each other. But the rapist is most likely not Christian which = there won't be any marriage.

Regards Mikkel

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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A "Christian" who doesn't even have the respect to properly capitalize words like "God."

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Acts 2:38:
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You take this out of context.

The verse is either true or its false. Which is it? If you aren't baptised you go to Hell. Now, I understand you are baptised. Good for you. But when you go around preaching lies you cause other people to go to Hell for believing you. You are a liar, son, and your lies have caused how many people to burn in Hell for all eternity, being raped with red hot pitchforks and having their genitals devoured over and over and over and over? How many more damned souls do you want to take responsibility for, huh? You are one of Satan's agents, plain and simple. Come to Jesus before it is too late.

[McClement]

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Again, you show very little Scriptural knowledge here. You might want to consider the following Scripture Verses:

1 Corinthians 6:2-3:
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 2:12-16:
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Clearly, people who have received the Spirit which is of God, you know, the one that can be received only through Baptism, are allowed to judge "all things," and will "judge the world." So your assertion that we True Christians™ wouldn't be allowed to judge anyone is ludicrous.

That would be the KJV 1611.

Another question: if you do not build on Luther, then why do you call yourself lutheran? That's confusing, just like you calling yourself Christian without building on Christ.


Romans 10:9-13:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Those are some beautiful Scripture Verses. It always comforts me to know that Jesus died for each and every one of my sins, and encourages me to take a firm stand against all ungodliness, from atheists and false christians alike.

If you want to find Scripture in English, I can advise you to use this site:

King James Version of the Bible - Online Search

Sure i show very little scripture knowledge i was saved from hell about 3 years ago. How should i then be master of the bible ? I dont say i got everything 100% RIGHT - but im pretty sure that i got the most right so far. And im reading my bible as offen as i can to know more And nice verse you found there, i must rememeber that for some other time
1 Corinthians 6:2-3
1 Corinthians 2:12-16

the link you gave me to the bible verse thingy look to be the same as mine. Like is said, i havn't "stuied" the bible for long and dont know much about versions, but im quite sure thats the same as the one laying beside of me

And the reason why i call myself a lutheraner is, because thats what the danish church is called. And there is more and more things in the danish church which is simply wrong because the churches are owned by state and payed by taxes. So the government recently said that homosexuals should be able to mary each other in the churches, which until know, "only" was possible in the local municipality center. Therefor i normally come to LM's meeting or what it's called in english(you know where a priest come and teach you about the bible and you praise the lord singing and so?)

But that doesn't change that the DLM (Danish lutheran mission) read the bible of Gods word, which i guess is the version you call King James Version from 1611( was that right?). And YES - we do build on christ, and i dont fully understand what makes you say we dont?

just a little experiment. What should i change so i would become a REAL christian in your eyes. Not saying that im going to do it, because i think im on the right path, but to understand what you think.

Mikkel

[True Disciple]

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hmm, i knew it would be hard to come to a baptist forum an try convince people of the truth, but this is realle a challenge

Well, if I might give you a hint as to what tactic to use to convince True Christians™ of any truth at all: back it up with Scripture. The Bible is the only Truth™ we accept around here.

As you know im only 18 and havn't stuied the bible 100 years yet but that doesn't mean that God can't help me read the bible.

Neither have I. I'm 24, so my advantage in age over you is not much. If God starts helping you, however, prepare for some surprises as you read along. The Bible may disagree with you on many points.

peter talk to a community of people who dont believe in jesus. he says like: Turn to jesus AND be baptised and you will recieve the holy spirit. He doesn't say, be baptised and get the holy spirit. The first thing in the sentence is become christian and then get baptised and recieve the holy spirit. = It's the baptism, but the"turn to jesus". But to baptised is like saying, YES JESUS - I GIVE MY LIFE TO YOU - HERE IS MY SIGN *baptising*...

No, you're wrong. As I've said, there is a causal relationship there: if you "repent and be baptized," then "ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

The key is in the word "shall." If repenting, being baptized and receiving the Holy Ghost were three separate, independant things, the text should read: "repent, be baptised, and receive the Holy Ghost."

But what it says is: "repent, be baptized, and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost." That's what makes the difference here: receiving the Holy Ghost is a result of both repentance and baptism.

So i agree, baptism is VERY important, but it's not the only thing that saves you.

I agree. Repentance and Faith in Jesus are essential as well.

Like your bible verses proclaim, he will face many "christians" and he will say he dont know them, because they only look christian, but dont KNOW jesus as their friend and saviour, but only as a easy way to avoid hell.

Exactly. And how can we distinguish between True Christians™ and these pretenders? By looking at their fruits, as I've explained before.

I believe in both then new and the old testamony, and believe that god didn't write anything down in that bible which was not ment to be read by the people living today.

That is a very good start!

Hmm, nice one. The should not be any rapist in the first place. And yes they should mary each other. But the rapist is most likely not Christian which = there won't be any marriage.

Now we're getting somewhere. However, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 does not include a special clause for the True Christianity™ of the rapist. In fact, even the New Testament acknowledges that a marriage between believers and unbelievers can sometimes occur:

1 Corinthians 7:13-14:
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Also, while True Christians™ obviously do not rape, as they cannot sin (1 John 3:9), false christians are known to do these things.

But I'm glad you agree with me and Jesus that rape "victims" should marry their rapists.

Do you then also agree with me that witches, homosexuals and followers of other religions should be killed?

Exodus 22:18:
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Leviticus 20:13:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 13:12-16:
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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What should i change so i would become a REAL christian in your eyes. Not saying that im going to do it, because i think im on the right path, but to understand what you think.

Become a Baptist, stop worshipping Satan, and follow the KJV 1611 to the letter.