Ignorance through God

[Ksevio]

It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King! Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Also, the world is not flat, fly a plane some time.

[Levi Jones]

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Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead?

Latin the original language of the Bible?

The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Wait, wait, wait. Are you claiming that Jesus was not real? He did not preach, He was not crucified and He didn't rise from the dead?

[Viggo B. Kristoffersen]

Re: Ignorance through God

It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King! Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Also, the world is not flat, fly a plane some time.

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[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King! Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Also, the world is not flat, fly a plane some time.

I don't even know where to start because you must truly be an individual incapable of rational thinking! The King James Bible contains the words of God. God is infallible. Therefore everything in The Bible is true! Would a perfect God have to make up allegories in order to express himself? Unless you are retarded (and thusly hated by God; Leviticus 21:18-24) you will come to the conclusion that the answer is no!

So which is it? Are you an atheist or do you take the bible litterally? Unlike liebrals how think you can't have it both ways!

And if you are an atheist please answer me this: If Darwin was so good at evolution, why did he die?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

Of course they don't make sense to the unsaved:

1 Cor. 2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King!

Psalm 12:6-7: The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

So secular politics can trump God's ability to preserve His Word? I don't know about whatever god you worship, but my God is omnipotent.

Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

The original Latin? When was the Bible translated from the "original Latin" into Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

[James Hutchins]

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It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

God does not 'cloud' things, He makes things crystal clear. Perhaps it is actually you that is ignorant. Think, if you can. Most of the world is exactly like us. A few are like you. Based on mere probability (forgetting for a moment that God is never, ever wrong) , who is more likely to be correct?

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King! Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Of course you cannot factor in politics, are you nuts? Politics are full of power mad, money grubbing charlatans who are really only after benefiting themselves.

Also, the world is not flat, fly a plane some time.

I do fly, quite often in my Gulfstream 550.
At 30,000 feet, all I see are the bumps from the mountain tops poking through the clouds. The earth is a flat disk. If it were not, as I traveled to the far reaches, I would end up upside down.

[Ksevio]

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Levi: Jesus didn't write the Bible, many mortal people did. The fact that it contradicts itself should show you that it's not perfect. Believing in God doesn't require you to believe word for word the imperfect writings of man.

As many have added, the Bible has been translated many time, there are sure to be differences in meaning among the different languages (especially the one created by King James). It's so far removed from the actual word of God by now that only the general idea can be gathered (Thou shalt not kill, God loves all, etc).

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Levi: Jesus didn't write the Bible, many mortal people did. The fact that it contradicts itself should show you that it's not perfect. Believing in God doesn't require you to believe word for word the imperfect writings of man.

Those mortal people wrote under God's inspiration. Why would God go to the trouble of inspiring the Bible and then be too lazy to proofread?

But let's assume arguendo that you're right and that the Bible is an imperfect, human-written book that contradicts itself. How then are we to know anything about God or His plan of salvation?

[Ksevio]

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All God's plans can be known through prayer. Go directly to the source! Don't trust the mortal minds working in the typeshop.

[BelieverInGod]

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Levi: Jesus didn't write the Bible, many mortal people did. The fact that it contradicts itself should show you that it's not perfect. Believing in God doesn't require you to believe word for word the imperfect writings of man.

So you really think that God is so weak that he is unable to keep his word straight? He can create a universe, but can't get His word onto some paper. Okay, yeah, you've got to be an atheist.

As many have added, the Bible has been translated many time, there are sure to be differences in meaning among the different languages (especially the one created by King James). It's so far removed from the actual word of God by now that only the general idea can be gathered (Thou shalt not kill, God loves all, etc).

Really? I take it that you're a Biblical scholar? You've studied this? I'm sure you have since you think that King James wrote the Bible (Hint: he wasn't involved past hiring the best of the best).

All God's plans can be known through prayer. Go directly to the source! Don't trust the mortal minds working in the typeshop.

Ah, I see..... I bet your god tells you it's okay to be gay. I bet your god amazingly agrees with everything you think. Gee I wonder why that is, could it be because you're actually worshiping yourself?

[Ksevio]

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I pray for you if you believe that prayer is the same as worshipping one's self. Hopefully God will show you the way.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment

In 1611, King James was also King of America. However the detail which I'd like to communicate to you in welcoming you is that faith and judgement exist in completely different spheres. When flying in an æroplane (as I very frequently do) I do not make a judgement as to the speed necessary for take-off, or whether the wings are capable of generating lift, or if a turbine can generate thrust. Neither does the æroplane, for that matter. It has been designed to fly, and so it does fly. I suppose there might be an æroplane that was designed not to fly, but that would already have crashed, so I would not be getting into it. That is like faith. Judgement does not come into it.
If I want to jump out of the æroplane, however, I might need a parachute. I would have to use judgement, then. Which parachute? When should I jump? Should I jump straight into the jet intake? Has the thing already landed? ..well I could go on, but let's say we are in the air flying at 100 knots and I've selected the right parachute. Out I jump and once more I don't need to judge whether the ropes attaching me are strong enough, or if I'm going to fall up or fall down, or if the stars are going to become detached and bang me on the head. I do need to steer my course, though, so as not to smack into a cliff.
I fly to the Low countries. They are flat. Australia is flat. Those are observations.
Flat is as good as it gets. That is a manufacturer's design statement.
Think of it as a Robinson R22 manual.
Oh, yes, and you can jump out of an R22 anytime you choose, but probably not during auto-rotate.
For actual instruction contact one of the Pastors
(For the R22 contact Frank Robinson)

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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All God's plans can be known through prayer. Go directly to the source! Don't trust the mortal minds working in the typeshop.

In witnessing to the unsaved, I've met many people who believe the same thing. There's one slight problem: When they rely on prayer to the exclusion of Bible study, they tend to get mutually contradictory answers. How do you know which have heard from God and which have heard from deceiving spirits or their own overactive imaginations?

I pray for you if you believe that prayer is the same as worshipping one's self. Hopefully God will show you the way.

Go back and reread what she said a little more carefully.

[MitzaLizalor]

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I pray for you if you believe that prayer is the same as worshipping one's self. Hopefully God will show you the way.

1.. If The Bible is just a made up book, how do you know there is such a thing as prayer?
2.. Did someone say Jesus wrote the Bible?
3.. If you just believe in prayer (whatever that is supposed to be without anyone reliably attested as being faithful and just to either hear you or to forgive you your sins, or for that matter whether there were any sins in the first place?) where do you get your evidence for the existence of prayer? Did someone tell you? Has it changed your life? What if I tell you to give me all your money? That will change your life. Will you therefore believe me?

I JOHN 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

4.. King James did not invent the English language.

[James Hutchins]

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All God's plans can be known through prayer. Go directly to the source! Don't trust the mortal minds working in the typeshop.

Yes, God did not write the Bible. It was written by His 'Team'. God, like many important executives, do not have the time to sit down in front of a stone tablet and carve out words. He dictated to His people, who in turn scribed His words, thoughts and wishes. Yes, over the years, there have been some re-writes. This was done to clarify items for the weak of mind. Have you found it of help? All along, God has kept His All Seeing Eye© on His masterpiece, ensuring it remains a perfect book.
You act as if the Bible was written without His review or approval. Think. Had that been the case, there would of been a lot of dead people shortly after God discovered the 'spin'. But there was no 'spin' none of these people suddenly died.

Tell me, how can your thoughts be so absurd?