[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Ignorance through God

I believe the basic laws/commandments stated should be taken literally:

"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."
Obviously should be taken literally - no debate about that, words straight from God.

However a story that has been retold by a writer of one of the books of the Bible maybe should be taken metaphorically.

Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Rather than literally leaving grapes out for the poor, that verse says to help those in need through charity.

But Leviticus 19:10 is part of a series of laws headed with

Lev. 19:1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

This means, of course, that Lev. 19:10 is also a statement of words straight from God. Therefore, your logic is self-defeating.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Ignorance through God

Well the part of the bible where God says not to kill people clearly overrides that.

The 6th command says: Thou shalt not kill
It doesn't say: Though shalt not kill*

*except when you don't like people.

Are you not capable of understanding the difference between human-motivated killing -- that is, murder -- and God-directed execution?

Or do you merely think you get to pick and choose the parts of the Bible you like, and treat the rest as so much toilet paper?

Tell me -- I want you to go look it up -- what is the PUNISHMENT for working on the Sabbath?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ignorance through God

You're cherry-picking just as much by ignoring that parts about not killing (mentioned several times), and following the parts that directly contradict it. It's hard to misinterpret a basic statement like "Thou shalt not kill" but you seem to manage it. Just evidence that the Bible is somewhat out dated for modern society and should not be taken literally.

Were not friend. Quite a few places in The Laws says that anyone executed for breaking God's law killed themselves. "The blood is on their head" is the phrase The Bible uses in numerous places. We are not cheery picking, it is you that is are ignoring the rest of scripture.

Let's make this simple

I kill you because I don't like you = murder and wrong

The community kills you for breaking The Law = righteous act.

You see the difference?

[Ksevio]

Re: Ignorance through God

Rev. M. Rodimer:
Do you believe that someone should be stoned to death for switching on the lights one day? Using any electricity? Do you celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday or the traditional Saturday?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Ignorance through God

Rev. M. Rodimer:
Do you believe that someone should be stoned to death for switching on the lights one day? Using any electricity? Do you celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday or the traditional Saturday?

I didn't ask you what I believe. I asked you what God commanded as the punishment for working on the Sabbath.

What is it?

[Ksevio]

Re: Ignorance through God

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ignorance through God

Or course I wouldn't kill him.
1. God said thou shalt not kill, especially an innocent person like my son.
2. God said not to us humans in sacrafice
3. Killing one's son is not a good thing to do

If you would be willing to kill your own son in ignorance of those reasons, then you are a horrible and sinful person who belongs in the depths of hell.

So, by that "especially", I take it you are pretty much admitting that some people deserve to live less than others do? You must be, otherwise there'd be no point mentioning. Good work, you're making some progress. Now, let's try another one: If God told you to "go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass", would you utterly massacre the entire tribe and all their animals, or would you decide that that was "not a good thing to do" and spare Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and... not utterly destroy them?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ignorance through God

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

So you consider switching on a light as work? Just how lazy are you?

I know you're picking that up from the Jews, but they've been playing a game with themselves for centuries now. One group sits around trying to expand the rules to make it basically impossible to live, and another group sits around figuring out how to get around those rules. Personally I find it entertaining to watch from the guidelines.

Even Jesus said that we should feed our animals on the Sabbath.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Ignorance through God

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Romans 14:5-6 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Ignorance through God

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Very good!

Now tell me, how do you reconcile that with "Thou shalt not kill"? It certainly sounds like an explicit directive to execute someone for committing a particular crime against God, doesn't it?

[Ksevio]

Re: Ignorance through God

It doesn't say that I have to put him to death, just that he will be. Thus it could be that he's struck down by God Himself.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Ignorance through God

It doesn't say that I have to put him to death, just that he will be. Thus it could be that he's struck down by God Himself.

Then what do you suppose this means?

Numbers 15:32-36: And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Ignorance through God

Very good!

Now tell me, how do you reconcile that with "Thou shalt not kill"? It certainly sounds like an explicit directive to execute someone for committing a particular crime against God, doesn't it?

That commandment only applies to people of your own race.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Ignorance through God

That commandment only applies to people of your own race.

And where does your special book clarify that?

Now if you had not got hung up on the KJV-CFT you could have gone for:
"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13 & Deuteronomy 5:17)
But you are stuck with "Thou shalt not kill."

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Ignorance through God

And where does your special book clarify that?

Now if you had not got hung up on the KJV-CFT you could have gone for:
"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13 & Deuteronomy 5:17)
But you are stuck with "Thou shalt not kill."

It's just common sense that you need to shoot at negros when they are trying to steal your pies, or shoot at messycans when they try to poison your burrito. Common sense.