[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Ignorance through God

Yes, God did not write the Bible. It was written by His 'Team'. God, like many important executives, do not have the time to sit down in front of a stone tablet and carve out words. He dictated to His people, who in turn scribed His words, thoughts and wishes. Yes, over the years, there have been some re-writes. This was done to clarify items for the weak of mind. Have you found it of help? All along, God has kept His All Seeing Eye© on His masterpiece, ensuring it remains a perfect book.
You act as if the Bible was written without His review or approval. Think. Had that been the case, there would of been a lot of dead people shortly after God discovered the 'spin'. But there was no 'spin' none of these people suddenly died.

Tell me, how can your thoughts be so absurd?

We even have evidence that that is the case.

Anything that doesn't pass muster ends up as the Apocrypha. This proves that the Bible is carefully maintained by God, otherwise those books would be considered official.

[Levi Jones]

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Levi: Jesus didn't write the Bible, many mortal people did. The fact that it contradicts itself should show you that it's not perfect. Believing in God doesn't require you to believe word for word the imperfect writings of man.

Sorry kid, but attacking the King James is not going to win your case for you. There are many ancient Greek manuscripts that say essentially the same thing as the KJV. There may be a word or two out of place here and there, but the overall meaning is exactly the same from version to version.

You might want to do a little more in depth study on that subject before coming against some heavy hitting biblical scholars.

It's so far removed from the actual word of God by now that only the general idea can be gathered (Thou shalt not kill, God loves all, etc).

So thou shalt not kill and God loves all. Anything else that is okay with you in the Bible? You never answered my initial questions.

Was Jesus the Son of God? Was He born of a virgin? Did He preach? Was He crucified? Did He rise from the dead?

[BelieverInGod]

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I pray for you if you believe that prayer is the same as worshipping one's self. Hopefully God will show you the way.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it.

I didn't say that MY prayers are worshiping myself, I said YOUR prayers are, bBecause you are worshiping the god in your mind (psychologists would call this your ID IIRC). I know that I am following The ONE TRUE GOD because I read the KJV BIBLE and know GOD through that Book. You on the other hand are praying to your own mind.

I really hoped I typed that slow enough. I asked my 8-year-old to reread my post and he can't figure out how to make it any more easy to understand.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally

So, how exactly should we understand commandments like, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

Metaphorically?

All God's plans can be known through prayer. Go directly to the source! Don't trust the mortal minds working in the typeshop.

So, whenever you have an idea that contradicts the Bible, you pray and you wait until you "feel" that your idea is right, and the Bible is wrong. Correct?

It has never occurred to you that the "feeling" is either one of your own feelings (you "feel" what you want to feel), or that of Satan misguiding you?

Tell me, Ksevio, do you believe that God is omniscient (all-knowing) and omnipotent (all-powerful)?

I'll assume you do, because if He wasn't, He wouldn't be much of a God, right?

So, instead of coming to Earth and personally meeting each and every person He has created -- billions of them -- He had special men write down His commandments, and how He wanted people to live. He included examples of what happens to people who don't obey; not just the Flood, but the God-ordered genocide of the Midianites for abandoning God and serving false idols instead (see Numbers 31).

OK, now there's this book. God is omniscient. He knows exactly what it says, doesn't He?

God is omnipotent. If He doesn't like what the book says, He can change it, can't He? After all, changing the text of a few billion books is nothing compared to creating an entire universe.

Does the Bible say what it says? Yes, it does.

Therefore, the Bible MUST say what God WANTS the Bible to say.

If you do not believe this, you must believe one of the following:

• God is not omnipotent or is not omniscient, thus either doesn't know the Bible is wrong or is unable to fix it. Not much of a God!
• God wants people to be deceived so they may spend eternity in Hell, and provide Him MAJOR LULZ while they're still alive and fighting over Him, persecuting one another, and torturing one another. Not a loving God!
• God doesn't care about humans, which is why He doesn't pay attention to the Bible or the wars fought over Him, and the persecutions, and the torture. Not a loving God!
• God does not exist.

Which is it?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Ignorance through God

It seems there is a lot of ignorance provided through these forums. Maybe it is because "faith" is clouding the judgment of people here, but some things don't really make sense.

Some people claim to read the bible very literally without factoring in politics. Yet they are reading the bible ordered made by a British King! Shouldn't everyone be reading the original Latin instead? The Bible wasn't created to be interpreted literally, it was created by men and translated by men so there are many mistakes.

Also, the world is not flat, fly a plane some time.

This is interesting. Your thread is titled "Ignorance Through God".

Perhaps it should read "Ignorance of Ksevio".

The second thing I would like to point out is the KJV1611 was translated from the Hebrew, Aramaic writings and also the Koine Greek. The latin is an "also ran" translation.

The KJV1611 is to be read literally. God is not the author of confusion and in fact, 1 Corinthians 14:33 quite clearly states as much :

God is NOT the author of CONFUSION."

I challenge you to find ANY scripture within its pages stating that we are to merely "interpret" God's word! In fact God stresses that there are to be NO private interpetations!


2 Peter 1:20-21

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Word of God and the understanding of it are revealed by the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 2:6-16

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.


Any personal understanding the word of God must see in ALL points agreement with the word of God.

2 Peter 3:16

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction..

If there is a failure in your understanding of His word, perhaps you should be finger-pointing at yourself, rather than at the KJV1611 AND at God Himself.

God promised in Psalms 12:7 that He would preserve His word, "Thou shalt KEEP them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER."

God keeps His promises! God does not lie! Without a doubt, the KJV1611 is the preserved word of God. And the new per - versions are satanic counterfeits to cast doubt, cause confusion and ATTACK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! Considering your comments,it is apparently working!

Why do you love satan? Why do you hate Jesus?

Did you know, the KJV1611 is the only Bible in the world that has a command to study your Bible?! That's right! I doubt you have even bothered to open one up!

2 Timothy 2:15: "STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"

Have you done this? I surely doubt it.

So, don't come in here criticizing those of us whom DO understand His word, His Truth and His reason.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Ignorance through God

If Ksevio is engaged in Id worship, then the prayer experience will be like a reflex reaction. Imagine accidentally grabbing the wrong end of a hot, red poker.










After a while (e.g. ¼ second) your hand begins to feel a throbbing sensation. One part of us deals with reflexes (the part that is associated with the Id). Another part of us feels pain. God has arranged for the reflexes to be quick, because he loves us.

It takes a little while for a thought to form, just as it takes a little time for the throbbing in my hand to penetrate - because the same part of us does both things. It also evokes the fuzzy feelings Ksevio probably experiences when "going to the source".

There is another part, too - but Ksevio doesn't use that, as posted comments very clearly reveal. If we knew how long between the "prayer" experience and Ksevio's subsequent "from the source" experience we could be of more help, I am certain.

[Ksevio]

Re: Ignorance through God

So, how exactly should we understand commandments like, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

Metaphorically?

The same book also states:
Exodus 20:13: Thou shalt not kill.

Maybe Exodus 22:18 means we should not let her suffer life as a witch and remove Satan from her life, that would be in line with both statements.

There are many ancient Greek manuscripts that say essentially the same thing as the KJV.

Even that shows that there are differences between the translations. English isn't a very clear language, it's easy to interpret one sentence in many ways.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Ignorance through God

The same book also states:
Exodus 20:13: Thou shalt not kill.

Maybe Exodus 22:18 means we should not let her suffer life as a witch and remove Satan from her life, that would be in line with both statements.


Even that shows that there are differences between the translations. English isn't a very clear language, it's easy to interpret one sentence in many ways.

This, I feel, betrays a profound misunderstanding of the Bible. What Exodus 20:13 means is that thou shalt not kill except in certain situations where God deems it OK.

It is alright to kill murderers:

"He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die." Exodus 21:12-14

"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 24:17

"And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death." Leviticus 24:21

Adulterers:

"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 20:10

"If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." Deuteronomy 22:22-24

And, of course, as you already pointed out, witches.

[Ksevio]

Re: Ignorance through God

So why aren't you out stoning adulterers? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to do so that you could find.

Jesus spoke of making peace - I don't think killing people is very peaceful, no matter what they've done.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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So why aren't you out stoning adulterers? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to do so that you could find.

If you read the Bible instead of imagining what it would say, if only it would say what YOU want it to say, you wouldn't ask these questions.

God's Word commands us to be subject to the secular laws of our respective nations. Until we re-establish a Christian nation, executing adulterers is not legal. Therefore, it would be sinful to execute adulterers.

Jesus spoke of making peace - I don't think killing people is very peaceful, no matter what they've done.

If you read the Bible instead of imagining what it would say, if only it would say what YOU want it to say, you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.

When Jesus returns, He will rule the nations "with a rod of iron". He will slaughter 1/3 of humanity. (See Revelation.)

He also stated the exact opposite of what you claim:

Matthew 10:34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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So why aren't you out stoning adulterers? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to do so that you could find.

We don't stone adulterers because Christians must obey secular law:

Romans 13:1-2: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

But on that blessed day when secular law is replaced with God's Law, things will be a little different.

Jesus spoke of making peace - I don't think killing people is very peaceful, no matter what they've done.

Jesus also spoke of the following:

Luke 19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

Also, in case you think Jesus did away with the entire Mosaic Law, note the following:

Matt. 5:17-19: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Ignorance through God

So why aren't you out stoning adulterers? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to do so that you could find.

Jesus spoke of making peace - I don't think killing people is very peaceful, no matter what they've done.

Because God tells us we must obey secular law.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

If we can remove the US constitution and all of it's laws and replace them with the Word of God, the KJV1611, we then can resume the stoning off sinners, whores, witches, non believers and queers. Remember vote Huckabee/Palin in 2012

[Viggo B. Kristoffersen]

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So why aren't you out stoning adulterers? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to do so that you could find.

Because God tells us not to:

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:

Jesus spoke of making peace - I don't think killing people is very peaceful, no matter what they've done.

Have you ever read the Bible??

For starters, you should read these verses:

Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15 and John 2:8

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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We do not stone adulterers as we follow the Bible:
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Those that presently rule over us prohibit stoning. When a Theocracy comes to the USA, this will no longer be the case.

Jesus spoke of making peace after, and only after the entire world was Christian : Luke 19:27 refers.

Neither God nor I am particularly bothered what you think. God does our thinking and he approves of killing in war, in self-defense, as a just punishment and for crimes against God.

[Ksevio]

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But that would mean that God would APPROVE of killing fellow Christians, just because they lived in a hostile nation! No loving God would require a man to kill his own brother over politics.

Is it more sinful to violate the law (which violates the Bible) or violate the bible directly?