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**WinnerNotSinner** · 12-13-2010, 02:08 AM

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Here are two books from the Bible that I have taken a few quotes from. Most of your sissy fluffy bunny quotes are OUT of context. GOD loves violence, GOD loves killing, so follow him or you're in for some trouble.

Genesis

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering. -- 22:2
And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- 22:10
And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. -- 38:7
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. -- 38:10

Exodus

If thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.--4:23
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--12:12
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--12:29
The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast.--13:15
The LORD is a man of war.--15:3
He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.--21:15
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.--22:18
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.--Ex22.20:
And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.--22:24
Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about. -- 29:20
Ye shall keep the sabbath ... every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.--31:14
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.--32:27
And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.--32:35

Don't make me go through the rest of the Bible, I will if you want me to though, I hate false Christians who pick and choose what to believe in.

**Unfalsifiable** · 12-13-2010, 02:19 AM

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All the hallmarks of a liberal Christian demon, the absolute worst kind. He isn't even using the KJV 1611!

**Ezekiel Bathfire** · 12-13-2010, 02:33 AM

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I take my response to your vacuous post by quoting from Pastor Al's address to an idiot:

Satan is the evil that GOD made. Of the 31101 verses of Scripture, less than 200 of them do not deal with extreme violence. God is a violent God. But in church you were only told about those 200 verses of a loving God. That isn't true. Jesus is returning for one reason only and it is written clearly in every Bible. It is to start Armageddon and kill everyone on earth. This will happen after the four horsemen of the Apocalypse rain down horror and destruction. That is the Biblical God. But if you tell people that they don't care to support your church. They want God to be what they imagine Him to be.

Could you please live in the real world and accept God's Word when He says,

"2 Chron. 15:13: That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

**Enfluerage** · 12-13-2010, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by WinnerNotSinner View Post

Here are two books from the Bible that I have taken a few quotes from. Most of your sissy fluffy bunny quotes are OUT of context. GOD loves violence, GOD loves killing, so follow him or you're in for some trouble.

Genesis

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering. -- 22:2
And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- 22:10
And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. -- 38:7
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. -- 38:10

Exodus

If thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.--4:23
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--12:12
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--12:29
The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast.--13:15
The LORD is a man of war.--15:3
He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.--21:15
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.--22:18
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.--Ex22.20:
And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.--22:24
Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about. -- 29:20
Ye shall keep the sabbath ... every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.--31:14
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.--32:27
And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.--32:35

Don't make me go through the rest of the Bible, I will if you want me to though, I hate false Christians who pick and choose what to believe in.

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

**Bogdana Alkeav** · 12-13-2010, 03:38 AM

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Oh, I love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other, hurtling contradictory verses at each other, each desperate to show that THEIR interpretation of the Bible is right.

If God is real, why is he letting all this confusion abound? Why couldn't he manage to write a straightforward book, or why doesn't he come down and actually talk to us?

**Enfluerage** · 12-13-2010, 03:44 AM

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[QUOTE=Heathen_Basher;653223]Hello friend. You seem nice enough, though a little confused. If I were to guess your faith, I'd say fluffy-bunny liberal false Christian. But your heart is in the right place, I'm sure. Thankfully Jesus has guided you to where you need to be

hi

it's fantastic being in this forum and take care there !

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

the passages in the original post are among the most oftenly quoted.
"fluffy bunny liberal" ?

or is it similar to:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

**Enfluerage** · 12-13-2010, 03:58 AM

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Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post

Oh, I love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other, hurtling contradictory verses at each other, each desperate to show that THEIR interpretation of the Bible is right.

If God is real, why is he letting all this confusion abound? Why couldn't he manage to write a straightforward book, or why doesn't he come down and actually talk to us?

thank you for your thoughts and best wishes !

"i love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other"
exactly !!! so many people tell this to me (or similar)

i'm really sorry !
i feel so upset when i hear this (or similar), and it's often when i behave prideful, ignorant, impatient or rude.

God is love

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

**Meek and Humble** · 12-13-2010, 04:03 AM

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2 Corinthians 6: 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

James 2: 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

1 John 3:8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

Revelation 20: 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

Proverbs 6:16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

**Rev. M. Rodimer** · 12-13-2010, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by Effluent View Post

hi

it's fantastic being in this forum and take care there !

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

the passages in the original post are among the most oftenly quoted.
"fluffy bunny liberal" ?

or is it similar to:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you trying to demonstrate a point, or simply tossing out Scripture?

If the latter, here's one of my favorites, woefully underquoted. I've used it in sermons a couple of times. The Lord brought me to new congregations shortly after each of those sermons, in fact!

1 John 3:4-9

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

**Meek and Humble** · 12-13-2010, 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by Enfluerage View Post

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

Why don't you quote the WHOLE verse?

1 Smauel 16: 7But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

In this passage, God is telling Samuel to reject someone, despite looking good, because God rejects him. Quoting half the verse makes it sound the other way around - as though man is being too judgmental and God is condemning them for it. No, God is in fact saying to judge them even harder, not just their looks, but their actions too.

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

1 Corinthians 2: 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

Hosea 9: 15 “Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal,
I hated them there.
Because of their sinful deeds,
I will drive them out of my house.
I will no longer love them;
all their leaders are rebellious.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Malachi 1:3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.”

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

**Bogdana Alkeav** · 12-13-2010, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by Enfluerage View Post

i'm really sorry !
i feel so upset when i hear this (or similar), and it's often when i behave prideful, ignorant, impatient or rude.

Oh don't sweat it. I was mainly aiming my comments at these Landover guys. You seem fairly nice as far a religious people go. I just don't believe in your Bible, and it's very obvious it contradicts itself.

I'd end it at that, but since you decided to flood me with quotes, I feel the need to say more. Hope you don't mind hearing my opinion as your were kind enough to share them.

God is love

So God says. Then he goes off and says something like this,

1 Samuel 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Yes, and what happens to those who don't accept Jesus? How does he show his love to them?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Yes, and than later on the Bible says this:

Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. -- James 4:4

**Enfluerage** · 12-13-2010, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post

Oh don't sweat it. I was mainly aiming my comments at these Landover guys. You seem fairly nice as far a religious people go. I just don't believe in your Bible, and it's very obvious it contradicts itself.

hi !

sorry - sometimes i do get carried away. i've made many mistakes in the past. even writing in this forum, i've made mistakes. there are also many things i don't understand. thank you for sharing your thoughts and best wishes.

Salvation is of the LORD

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

**Pastor Ezekiel** · 12-13-2010, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by Enfluerage View Post

hi !

sorry - sometimes i do get carried away. i've made many mistakes in the past. even writing in this forum, i've made mistakes. there are also many things i don't understand. thank you for sharing your thoughts and best wishes.

Are you some kind of foreigner? Why don't you introduce yourself properly? What church do you attend? How old are you? What godless country do you hail from?

**Enfluerage** · 12-13-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

Are you some kind of foreigner? Why don't you introduce yourself properly? What church do you attend? How old are you? What godless country do you hail from?

hi !

please take care and best wishes:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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