[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

That's the difference between us, we're going to Heaven and you're not you believe in nothing and we believe in Lord Jesus Christ. Also, do you believe we read some horrible book like Catcher In The Rye and believe that every popular teen is a phony? No, we don't and obviously you wouldn't believe that because you believe in nothing.

Your entire thought process is on a basis of nothing yet you sit here trying to justify your non existent argument.

As for the "few inspiring lines" I'd like to correct you and say there's thousands of inspiring lines. I think that you really should read the Bible before you judge it.

Janine Walker

First 'Catcher in the Rye' is a fiction story, no one would believe in it in the first place. Maybe the bible is a fiction story, who knows, it doesn't says it's a non-fiction.

Second, I indeed BELIEVE in nothing, I only want to understand how the world works and sympathise with other people that have different views (to learn from other's experience). You apparently just threaten me of eternal damnation. I want only want to KNOW how things work, I am not person who has blind faith in something that can't be visible, feeled, measured, exposed, theorized (scientifically, by the scientific method) or even rationally explained (only use of logic).

By the way, "few lines", yeah they're are many "lines" indeed, but only a few good ones (that can been actually used in real life).

[Bible Student]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

First 'Catcher in the Rye' is a fiction story, no one would believe in it in the first place.

What you really mean is that you don't believe it. In fact Catcher in the Rye is part autobiographical and part taken from actual events and actual people in Salinger's life. You could avoid looking stupid by typing less and reading more.

Maybe the bible is a fiction story, who knows, it doesn't says it's a non-fiction.

Second, I indeed BELIEVE in nothing,

You have stated that before. It must really be sad that you don't even believe in yourself. But actually you are lying. You have already averred that you believe in heathen scientists.

I only want to understand how the world works and sympathise with other people that have different views (to learn from other's experience). You apparently just threaten me of eternal damnation. I want only want to KNOW how things work, I am not person who has blind faith in something that can't be visible, feeled, measured, exposed, theorized (scientifically, by the scientific method) or even rationally explained (only use of logic).

By the way, "few lines", yeah they're are many "lines" indeed, but only a few good ones (that can been actually used in real life).

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

Second, I indeed BELIEVE in nothing

So you don't believe in your own existence? I wish you were right about that because then we wouldn't have to listen to your brainless rambling.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

I have indeed never read that book (I searched for that book, the site said it was a fiction, not my fault), so what, my point stays the same.

By the way, must I believe to exist? Ik know I exist, Believing is having trust without proof, so you're saying that I have no proof of my existing but I must trust in it?

And this is the same for the other scientists, I don't believe them, I listen to them and I try to understand and to learn, and too see if it can be true with the reality.

And I will say it again, Believing is having trust without proof, I don't do that.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

I have indeed never read that book (I searched for that book, the site said it was a fiction, not my fault), so what, my point stays the same.

The point is that you should try learning a few things instead of just going on what someone tells you.

By the way, must I believe to exist? Ik know I exist, Believing is having trust without proof, so you're saying that I have no proof of my existing but I must trust in it?

You're mixing up faith with belief here.

And this is the same for the other scientists, I don't believe them, I listen to them and I try to understand and to learn, and too see if it can be true with the reality.

Right. Just like how you rigourously investigated Catcher in the Rye, eh?

And I will say it again, Believing is having trust without proof, I don't do that.

And I will say it again, you're mixing up belief with faith, and you clearly do have faith in some things.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

And What is the clear difference with belief and faith?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

And What is the clear difference with belief and faith?

Believe is realizing Jesus really exists. Faith is trusting Jesus and letting him guide your life completely and without ever questioning His infinite wisdom.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

that's weird, another christian once told :



"Belief is pretty much based on the fact that you’re confident you will achieve your goals. That belief can be based on past experience, logic, or just the fact that you know somebody who achieved a similar goal.
Faith on the other hand, usually brings along with it the implication that it’s needed to achieve those goals that seem out of reach, hence hearing phrases like “taking a leap of faith” when it comes to those types of situations. In other words, that term is usually used in the context of achieving extraordinary goals."

By Brian Kim

[Wide-Open]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

In other words, that term is usually used in the context of achieving extraordinary goals."

Getting into Heaven is pretty extraordinary!

By Brian Kim

Who?

Friend, an atheist reminds me of a guy with a fork in a world full of soup.

[Janine Walker]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

that's weird, another christian once told :



"Belief is pretty much based on the fact that you’re confident you will achieve your goals. That belief can be based on past experience, logic, or just the fact that you know somebody who achieved a similar goal.
Faith on the other hand, usually brings along with it the implication that it’s needed to achieve those goals that seem out of reach, hence hearing phrases like “taking a leap of faith” when it comes to those types of situations. In other words, that term is usually used in the context of achieving extraordinary goals."

By Brian Kim

Context of extraordinary goals? Not always.

Here's the two words being used in actual sentences:

I believe that the anyone who likes soccer is a homosexual.
(it is based on facts, like you said)

I have faith that I will convert this unsaved trash.
(it is based on the belief of my confidence to help save unsaved trash.)

I'm very confused by your posts because you just contradicted yourself and more or less just said he was right while implying he was wrong. Are you unable to comprehend what you cut and paste from Jackie Chan's website???

Janine Walker

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

And What is the clear difference with belief and faith?

Believing is pretty much a synonym for just thinking something; faith only comes into play when you believe something that there's no real "evidence" in the secular sense for.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

Hello everybody, I am an atheist, and I must say your forum is quite interesting! It is quite rare to find a group of Christians who have actually bothered to read the Bible and are able to construct arguments beyond the immature "God loves everybody!!!1" trash you see so often on the internet.

Now, I have actually read the KJV Bible, and though I don't agree with or believe in its conclusions, I do have a measure of respect for people who do so, especially when beset on all sides by modern-day reasoning.

There are some things that I see that we DO agree on, though. I find your views on the free-market very palatable, though I don't feel that you go far enough. Personally, I believe government decentralization and de-regulation should apply to everything, including areas of "vice", but to each their own.

Anyways, I am looking forward to peacefully exchanging ideas with you, and I promise not to post any "atheist propaganda" in return for using your forum. Sound fair?

Hello and welcome, Mr. Puzzlewell! We True Christians™ have a reputation for being rude, angry, and bitter people because we don't smile and beg for more when some God-mocker spits on us. You will find, since you are willing to discuss and learn from us, and not try to convert us to your Godless deathstyle, that we are perfectly content to have discussions with you.

I'm glad that, unlike over 95% of atheists who join this forum, you have left the chip off your shoulder.


No, I don't know why the one under the "M" has an arm coming out of the back of its head.

It's like saying "when you read a scientific book you're immediately an scientist "

It IS! Except they become atheists, not scientists.

A few years ago, several children in my congregation were going to public schools. Parents came to me and complained that, upon reading their eighth-grade biology book, their children were coming home and declaring themselves Darwinists and atheists and Marxists, claiming God didn't exist and "evolution" proved it, and that people had no right to private property!

These days, no children in my congregation attend public schools. The church runs a school for them, where they learn all about Creation!

You're right, but I presume that if you read a scientific book you won't have an scientific interrest.

Why would anyone read a scientific book if he wasn't interested?

Everybody in this forum acts as they're the chosen people of God almighty, just by reading that book

Nobody here has ever said that reading the Bible makes us Christians.

Reading the Bible (that is, God's Word), believing the Bible, and OBEYING God makes us Christians.

[Christ_touched_dano]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

"Why would anyone read a scientific book if he wasn't interested? "

School, perhaps? Law dictates that children are to receive schooling regardless of interest.

[Christ's Cheerleader]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

"Why would anyone read a scientific book if he wasn't interested? "

School, perhaps? Law dictates that children are to receive schooling regardless of interest.

I never did any homework and I did just fine! Thinking is so boring anyway. Who wants to be a boring nerd? Thank God for pastors!!

[Janine Walker]

Re: Hello from an atheist.

"Why would anyone read a scientific book if he wasn't interested? "

School, perhaps? Law dictates that children are to receive schooling regardless of interest.

I ain't ever read a science book, ever. Just because you have bad parents who won't give you the proper and necessary homeschooling a child needs, it doesn't mean you have to read science books. The way I look at it is would I rather have bad grades or deal with temptations of the Devil that could lead to the wrath of God? Easy one! Bad grades.

Janine Walker