[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Every single one of you have failed to address the major points I have given

All your "points" have been refuted, most even multiple times. But you are too blind and too ignorant to notice. Talking with you is as useful as talking to a pile of garbage. It smells horrible and is completely pointless.

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Originally Posted by Bible Student
Take the case of a skydiver. She can choose whether or not to jump out of the plane. You are an observer that sees that she is going to fall into an obstruction to her death and no physical laws can prevent that. Does the fact that you know what is going to happen to her affect her free will?

Now let us assume you can, and have decided to forewarn her of the danger, and have even written a message informing her of the danger. Can she not exercise her free will by not accepting your word? By not believing you?

If she believes your written word, she will be saved. If not, death is the result. How does your knowing the outcome affect her free will? How does her belief or disbelief affect her free will? How does her belief in your written word affect her free will?

Well, first of all she is skydiving and would be carrying a parachute, because she is an atheist, and has enough intelligence to bring one. Yet, you Christians would leap with "faith" that GOD will save you, but in fact be the one dying. For example, that young girl that just died from a staph infection. She would have not died if she received proper medical treatment, but instead was "healed" through prayer. She is now dead because of the ignorance of your beliefs. You had the faith that GOD would save her, but He didn't. On a serious note, everything you just stated has nothing to do with the point I was making, so I decided to respond as you did. We are talking about GOD, not myself knowing the outcome of someone's death, and trying to save them. There is no point to free will, if he already knows the outcome of what we are going to choose. The choice has already been made by him and as for the saving, we all day in the end. I'm sorry that you're that scared of death, but it happens.

OK, I see I asked more than one question so it taxed you wee little brain. Or maybe the example was too difficult for you to understand. At any rate you were not able to answer the specific questions about free will, even though you posited questions about the concept.

And you repeated your assertions about free will even though the example of the skydiver explained the concept. Try typing in larger, bolder type next time. You atheists seem to think we will believe your inanity sooner.

[Teach me]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

All your "points" have been refuted, most even multiple times. But you are too blind and too ignorant to notice. Talking with you is as useful as talking to a pile of garbage. It smells horrible and is completely pointless.

Oh, really? I see that you addressed one sentence (being the easiest one to continue the argument further) instead of addressing the entire attack I just laid onto you. Feel free to prove what I have just said wrong.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Feel free to prove what I have just said wrong.

No.

[Teach me]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

No.

Why? Oh, right because you can't. I can go through this thread and show you multiple things that have been ignored, simply because your ignorant minds cannot fathom thinking outside of the box. Your clouded biased opinions is what keeps you out of Heaven.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

[Teach me]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

I love your maturity. You question my maturity when being "proven wrong", but when I prove every point you tried to make invalid, you run away, and act like a child by using these emotes. How old are you? I'm 19 years old and it is astonishing that I have more sense than adults with degrees.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

[James Dewitt]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

How old are you? I'm 19 years old and it is astonishing that I have more sense than adults with degrees.

My father had a saying, I think at this point it may just apply
" Opinions are much like a persons rectum, we all have them, unfortunately yours stinks"

[Teach me]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

My father had a saying, I think at this point it may just apply
" Opinions are much like a persons rectum, we all have them, unfortunately yours stinks"

Would you care to clarify your reasoning? I know everyone has opinions, they also have their own answers. Why has everyone addressed the points that I have made, which I ignored, but I've addressed not even a single one of yours? It's alright to admit that I am wrong.

[James Dewitt]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Would you care to clarify your reasoning? I know everyone has opinions, they also have their own answers. Why has no one addressed the points that I have made, but I've addressed every single one of yours? It's alright to admit that you're wrong.

An opinion at some point has to be based of a few things, either fact or theory. You have failed to prove that God does not exist, therefore your lame opinion stinks.

Wrong? How can I possible be wrong, I have Jesus on my side. You have failed to even begin to comprehend any thing that my Brothers and Sisters have told you. You seem to lack the most basic of common sense.
In other words you don't have enough sense to pound sand in a rat hole when the rat is staring at you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

You live your life by fear and preaching fear unto others, by trying to tell everyone they will burn in Hell for eternity. Looking in the mirror proves nothing, but that I'm looking in a mirror at a human animal. I think it's quite humerous that Athiests know more about religion than religious people themselves. Don't try correcting me on that either.

Correcting you on what, friend? On your inability to spell either "atheists" or "humorous" correctly?

On your incorrect capitalization of "atheist", since as so many atheists claim, "atheism is a religion like 'not collecting stamps' is a hobby"?

Or correcting you on the ridiculous survey showing that atheists know more about false religions than Christians? Did you bother to read the survey questions? Only about 25% of them had anything to do with God or the Bible or Jesus. Most were about Buddhism or Islamofascism or Judaism or Hinduism, or some other form of demon-worship. Christians don't study such things, because they are not edifying and do not lead us to God.

I was meaning that he may be a little crazy and should seek mental help. Why does there have to be a person, or being that created the sky/man? I'm saying this because you used who, as if it could ONLY be created by a being.

Let me guess: You think that everything was created from nothing, by nothing.

Once upon a time, there was nothing. Then, nothing exploded and became something. And it turned into dinosaurs.

Yes, that's logical.

Ever heard of causation in high school? For something to happen, a cause is required. What caused the universe if not God? Nothing?

If you really want me to post my argument I will, but I'm sure none of you will read it, or take it with an open mind. As I, however WILL take anything you say (and have said) to me with an open mind.

Yes, I've seen your open mind.

I'm waiting here with an open mind, unlike any of you here. I've read many threads on these forums and none of you read what we "non-believers" have to say, or take it with an open mind. Yet, when you address things towards us we take them with an open mind.

Really?

Most of you atheists come in and try to post links to pornography, or tell us how ignorant we are. But at least you have an open mind, and you wouldn't do that.

Time and time again this community disappoints me with your ignorance. I'm 19 years of age and I didn't even graduate high-school. Yet, I have more sense than most of you.

Looks like I spoke too soon.

You don't really think things could happen by chance do you? Over millions of years that this planet has been around it has had the time to form and adapt the beautiful place you see today. It didn't happen over 6 days as you would like to believe because there are new species added everyday.

There's that open mind and respect again, attacking God with your atheist lies . . . and you don't even know your own lies. Atheists believe the earth is about 4 BILLION years old.

Why would he not show some sort of sign like he did in the Old Testament by smiting many cities?

What, like New Orleans/Katrina? Nah, that's not a sign, right?

The logic behind your thinking is almost astonishing to me that you could be so ignorant. I guess it's mainly because being blind to so many things and close-minded for your entire life could do so. It makes me laugh that you are so close-minded, because you would think such devoted Christians would merely laugh at such weak attempts disnouncing their faith, but you're too close-minded to even listen, and run away at the chance of conflict because cannot even answer a simple question (such as answering why GOD exists.).

Hey, it's that open-minded respect of yours again.

I've never received a straight forward answer giving any sort of proof

You've been asked many times to put forth your "proof" that God doesn't exist. We're waiting.

You came here, buddy. You joined a Christian church's discussion forum and demanded that we convince you that all your existing preconceived high-school notions are wrong. But you won't say why you believe such silly things; you just insult us for not sharing your disbelief.

But I thought everyone had a purpose to life to worship GOD?

Exactly. That's why God created humans, to worship Him. And that is the reward in Heaven, to worship and praise Him eternally for blessing us by existing. You ARE learning!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

It's alright to admit that I am wrong.

I'll admit that you're wrong.

Have you even read the Bible, nancy?

[Teach me]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

An opinion at some point has to be based of a few things, either fact or theory. You have failed to prove that God does not exist, therefore your lame opinion stinks.

Wrong? How can I possible be wrong, I have Jesus on my side. You have failed to even begin to comprehend any thing that my Brothers and Sisters have told you. You seem to lack the most basic of common sense.
In other words you don't have enough sense to pound sand in a rat hole when the rat is staring at you.

I agree that an opinion has to be based off of things at some point, but it is still your interpretation of those things, it is still your answer. You have failed to prove to me that GOD does exist, so therefore your opinion stinks. See? That's not so hard to say is it. No, I have comprehended everything you have told me. You just fail to see that. If I didn't comprehend what they are saying, then how is there a discussion of anything going on?

Correcting you on what, friend? On your inability to spell either "atheists" or "humorous" correctly?

On your incorrect capitalization of "atheist", since as so many atheists claim, "atheism is a religion like 'not collecting stamps' is a hobby"?

Or correcting you on the ridiculous survey showing that atheists know more about false religions than Christians? Did you bother to read the survey questions? Only about 25% of them had anything to do with God or the Bible or Jesus. Most were about Buddhism or Islamofascism or Judaism or Hinduism, or some other form of demon-worship. Christians don't study such things, because they are not edifying and do not lead us to God.

Let me guess: You think that everything was created from nothing, by nothing.

Once upon a time, there was nothing. Then, nothing exploded and became something. And it turned into dinosaurs.

Yes, that's logical.

Ever heard of causation in high school? For something to happen, a cause is required. What caused the universe if not God? Nothing?


Yes, I've seen your open mind.

Really?

Most of you atheists come in and try to post links to pornography, or tell us how ignorant we are. But at least you have an open mind, and you wouldn't do that.

Looks like I spoke too soon.


There's that open mind and respect again, attacking God with your atheist lies . . . and you don't even know your own lies. Atheists believe the earth is about 4 BILLION years old.


What, like New Orleans/Katrina? Nah, that's not a sign, right?



Hey, it's that open-minded respect of yours again.


You've been asked many times to put forth your "proof" that God doesn't exist. We're waiting.

You came here, buddy. You joined a Christian church's discussion forum and demanded that we convince you that all your existing preconceived high-school notions are wrong. But you won't say why you believe such silly things; you just insult us for not sharing your disbelief.

Exactly. That's why God created humans, to worship Him. And that is the reward in Heaven, to worship and praise Him eternally for blessing us by existing. You ARE learning!

Congratulations, you found some typos. I've noticed time and time again you pick out the easier/smaller things to target to seem more justified in your reasoning. Just because I spelled a word wrong doesn't make my point invalid. Many of your fellow church members have spelled multiple words wrong. Why don't you try educating them on the English language and educate me on the word of your Lord by proving that he exists. You sound a little butthurt that atheism did better on a poll than you. Do you know why there were more non Christian questions? Christianity is not the largest religion in the world. Do you want to know why atheists scored better? We look at things with open minds and use our minds (logic, reasoning, and science). You try to justify your ignorance by justifying your close mindedness and it's funny. Yes, I do believe that, and a lot of people agree. Quantum physics proves that something can come from nothing. Let's face the facts here. Niether of us can prove exactly how we came into existence, how the world was made, what created the universe. All we know is that we don't know and what will you do with this knowledge? I live my life to the fullest everyday, treating everyone with respect, and kind to others. I don't know what happens when I die and I don't care. I know I lived a full life and I'm a happy person. I know that I didn't live my life out of fear towards burning eternally in Hell, but that I thought for myself, and enjoyed life. I hate that you're so quick to generalize all of us atheists. I'm an individual, so treat me like one. I have been listening with an open mind the entire time and simply replied my opinions on what they stated. You guys started the argument when I simply asked a question without wanting to start an argument. You believe the Earth is 6,000 years old when I've clearly shown you that it's not. That alone is enough to disprove your GOD and his Bible. Why should I waste more time posting evidence that will fall upon deaf ears? No, they are merely natural disasters, as I've stated before. Point to me where there rained fire and brimstone, where frogs rained from the skies, where GOD's angels themselvs came down and smited cities. You cannot show me any of this, but only what a book written by a man says. I've asked you to put forth your proof that GOD exists and have received nothing, but childish examples. Give me some hard facts, like I have given you time and time again. I never insulted you for not sharing my belief. I insult you because you're ignorant and are close minded. You say that is our purpose to life, but what is the purpose to life if HE already knows what is going to happen? I'm going to ask you some questions I hope you will be able to answer. I'll try my best to elaborate, but I can't promise anything.
My question is: GOD has and always will be, GOD knows all information and made everything from nothing, He also me nothing before something, so where does he get His ideas? He should have never had an idea because he already knows everything and what point into forever can something be put into it? What I mean by that last question is, at what point can GOD place something into time that it is forever? It would make sense if things just happened, but if soemthing was planning to make everything since forever ago, how can it do this?

I'll admit that you're wrong.

Have you even read the Bible, nancy?

No, I've read most of it, though. I've seen the other half quoted on here. Who are you to judge me? Only your GOD has the right to do that I thought? Your following here is sickening and it blows my mind that people like this exist in the beautiful country I live in. If I ever see one of you beating your wives I will personally give you the beating you deserve. You speak so highly over the internet, but what happens when this same situation is placed into a real life situation? I've pointed out many contradictions in your Bible, your beliefs, and the insanity of this community. You're a disgrace to the Christian name and belief.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Who are you to judge me? Only your GOD has the right to do that I thought?

If you were even remotely familiar with the holy Bible, then you would know that God commands those of us who are Saved(r) to judge and rebuke unsaved scum such as yourself.

Leviticus 19:15
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Tim 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.