ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

[Fanryu]

And all of you other Christian extremists. Before you speak, before you let your heavily biased minds take control of you, and defend your imaginary friend, I ask you, what proof do you have that "ALMIGHTY GOD!!!!" exists? What proof do you have? None. Now don't hop on the keyboard yet! Seeing an image of Jesus in your piece of toast isn't proof. Now tell me, one thing that says, without a doubt, not "Well, according to this....". I want hardcore, solid evidence that your imaginary friend truly exists. Have you never thought that back before religion, there may have been a few people who were sick of being poor, and mistreated? So maybe, they decided; Gee, I knoweth how to changeth it! I shalleth lieth aboutith an encounterith with a beingith of greatith powerith! Thenith peopleith willith respectith me!

No you haven't. Because your mothers and fathers have beaten that "God is good! God is real!" into your heads.

Now no matter what you say, you can NOT show me proof that God exists. Now you know something? I can show you something that proves that God DOESN'T exist! Let's go take a quick trip to the local museum, and look at the lovely dinosaur fossils, and fossil of the lovely Homo-erectus. Gee, it's strange how we found bones on this planet dating back to well before the planet was even created by "God". It's also strange that for some reason, he says every man and woman is created in his image. Well, for some reason, later on in the Bible, he says we may have slaves, and can beat our wives. Now hmmm...if I walked up to God if I was in Heaven (And this is assuming I truly believed in Heaven) and bitchslapped him and told him to go make me a sandwich, do you believe he'd be very please? How about if I told him to go pick the cotton out in the fields? Nope! Well then, it seems......not everyone is created in his image! Muslims, Catholics, Christians, Buddhists, African Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, everyone, is supposed to be created in his image. Now why exactly do you treat them like scum? Does this mean you'd treat God like scum? Also, you say many times on this site that people over in Iraq are filthy terrorists, and blah blah blah. Really? Did it ever occur to you that not everyone that lives in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and such, may very well not be a terrorist? Hell, some people are Christian over there!

Now here's a stunning fact, were Jesus to truly exist, then he was, without a doubt, black. Do me a favor, go watch an episode of the Boondocks, in such Huey, the older of the 2 brothers, makes a play about Black Jesus. Now he makes some startling sense here. I won't go into it, I'll let your heavily biased and brainwashed brains do the work for you.

I could go on for ever and ever telling you how dumb you people are for not even thinking for a SECOND that God could be some huge false thing, and then finally, after you die, all your life was wasted on making some imaginary friend happy. Rather than going out, hanging out with your friends, spending your weekends watching TV, or going outside and doing stuff.

[Fanryu]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

Oh, and before you ban me and delete my post, isn't it your job to "Convert the unfaithful"? So wouldn't technically deleting my post and letting me get away with this be against the Bible?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

And all of you other Christian extremists. Before you speak, before you let your heavily biased minds take control of you, and defend your imaginary friend, I ask you, what proof do you have that "ALMIGHTY GOD!!!!" exists?

Wow, no one has challenged us on that point within the last 15 seconds ever. Seriously, dear friend, is the search function not working for you?

Now no matter what you say, you can NOT show me proof that God exists. Now you know something? I can show you something that proves that God DOESN'T exist! Let's go take a quick trip to the local museum, and look at the lovely dinosaur fossils, and fossil of the lovely Homo-erectus. Gee, it's strange how we found bones on this planet dating back to well before the planet was even created by "God".

How do you know that they date back far? Don't just quote what someone told you; if we're not allowed to rely on the Bible, why are you allowed to rely on secular sources?

It's also strange that for some reason, he says every man and woman is created in his image. Well, for some reason, later on in the Bible, he says we may have slaves, and can beat our wives. Now hmmm...if I walked up to God if I was in Heaven (And this is assuming I truly believed in Heaven) and bitchslapped him and told him to go make me a sandwich, do you believe he'd be very please? How about if I told him to go pick the cotton out in the fields? Nope! Well then, it seems......not everyone is created in his image! Muslims, Catholics, Christians, Buddhists, African Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, everyone, is supposed to be created in his image. Now why exactly do you treat them like scum? Does this mean you'd treat God like scum? Also, you say many times on this site that people over in Iraq are filthy terrorists, and blah blah blah. Really? Did it ever occur to you that not everyone that lives in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and such, may very well not be a terrorist? Hell, some people are Christian over there!

Ever hear of something called the fall of man? How about that little incident in the Noah family that led to the curse of Ham?

Now here's a stunning fact, were Jesus to truly exist, then he was, without a doubt, black. Do me a favor, go watch an episode of the Boondocks, in such Huey, the older of the 2 brothers, makes a play about Black Jesus. Now he makes some startling sense here. I won't go into it, I'll let your heavily biased and brainwashed brains do the work for you.

We can't rely on the Bible to learn theological truths, but we can rely on a cartoon to do so. I'm so glad you've come to clear that one up for us.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

And all of you other Christian extremists. Before you speak, before you let your heavily biased minds take control of you, and defend your imaginary friend, I ask you, what proof do you have that "ALMIGHTY GOD!!!!" exists? What proof do you have? None. Now don't hop on the keyboard yet! Seeing an image of Jesus in your piece of toast isn't proof. Now tell me, one thing that says, without a doubt, not "Well, according to this....". I want hardcore, solid evidence that your imaginary friend truly exists. Have you never thought that back before religion, there may have been a few people who were sick of being poor, and mistreated? So maybe, they decided; Gee, I knoweth how to changeth it! I shalleth lieth aboutith an encounterith with a beingith of greatith powerith! Thenith peopleith willith respectith me!

No you haven't. Because your mothers and fathers have beaten that "God is good! God is real!" into your heads.

Now no matter what you say, you can NOT show me proof that God exists. Now you know something? I can show you something that proves that God DOESN'T exist! Let's go take a quick trip to the local museum, and look at the lovely dinosaur fossils, and fossil of the lovely Homo-erectus. Gee, it's strange how we found bones on this planet dating back to well before the planet was even created by "God". It's also strange that for some reason, he says every man and woman is created in his image. Well, for some reason, later on in the Bible, he says we may have slaves, and can beat our wives. Now hmmm...if I walked up to God if I was in Heaven (And this is assuming I truly believed in Heaven) and bitchslapped him and told him to go make me a sandwich, do you believe he'd be very please? How about if I told him to go pick the cotton out in the fields? Nope! Well then, it seems......not everyone is created in his image! Muslims, Catholics, Christians, Buddhists, African Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, everyone, is supposed to be created in his image. Now why exactly do you treat them like scum? Does this mean you'd treat God like scum? Also, you say many times on this site that people over in Iraq are filthy terrorists, and blah blah blah. Really? Did it ever occur to you that not everyone that lives in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and such, may very well not be a terrorist? Hell, some people are Christian over there!

Now here's a stunning fact, were Jesus to truly exist, then he was, without a doubt, black. Do me a favor, go watch an episode of the Boondocks, in such Huey, the older of the 2 brothers, makes a play about Black Jesus. Now he makes some startling sense here. I won't go into it, I'll let your heavily biased and brainwashed brains do the work for you.

I could go on for ever and ever telling you how dumb you people are for not even thinking for a SECOND that God could be some huge false thing, and then finally, after you die, all your life was wasted on making some imaginary friend happy. Rather than going out, hanging out with your friends, spending your weekends watching TV, or going outside and doing stuff.

tl;dr

Welcome! What church do you go to? What is your favorite Bible verse?

[Fanryu]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

Wow, no one has challenged us on that point within the last 15 seconds ever. Seriously, dear friend, is the search function not working for you?

How do you know that they date back far? Don't just quote what someone told you; if we're not allowed to rely on the Bible, why are you allowed to rely on secular sources?

Ever hear of something called the fall of man? How about that little incident in the Noah family that led to the curse of Ham?

We can't rely on the Bible to learn theological truths, but we can rely on a cartoon to do so. I'm so glad you've come to clear that one up for us.

The search function works fine, but you people refuse to show proof that God is real. No matter what I say "Oh if God existed, why would he let innocent people die?" "God works in mysterious ways!" There's nothing "mysterious" about thousands of people dying in the World Trade Centers.

I know they date that far back because I'm an Archeologist, and I study bones for a living. You study the Bible for fun.

Hmmm, it doesn't matter what happened to the people in the Bible, it matters what the Bible says we can and cannot do. It says that we are allowed to have slaves and to beat our wives.

It's not relying on a cartoon for truths, it's hearing the point, questioning about it, doing research, and coming to find that it sounds that it's way more likely than the Bible portrays it.

You're reading a book that many millions of people believe in, but not a single one of them have proof that any of the stuff in it exists, none of it truly happened, or that the person who wrote it wasn't just incredibly insane.

I'm basing my beliefs on hard facts, evidence, studies, and the wide acceptance of at least a BILLION people, that dinosaurs did exist, we did evolve from neanderthals, and we are going to continue to evolve until the day the human race dies. I have many MANY facts and evidence, where-as, Christianity, nor any religion, has any. Also, science is proof, evidence, sense-able logic. That's why I can rely on it, because I, myself, have a hand in proving that your proverbial "Almighty God" doesn't exist. Science has evidence that God doesn't exist, where-as religion doesn't have evidence that Science is lying. Therefore, I can rely on it, and not be seen as a fool.

Take this is a point, if I go out and believe in aliens from another planet, I'm seen as crazy, insane, idiotic, paranoid. I have no proof aliens exist, no proof they can travel through space, no proof they've been to earth, none of this.

Okay so, you believe in god, and you're seen as holy and a good man. Funny, you can't prove God exists, you can't prove that were he to be able, he can create planets and planes of existance, no proof he truly touches our lives everyday.

So let's see. So far...You're basing your facts off a book that no one knows the author truly wasn't insane, and that's the only place you are able to base your theory upon. I'm basing my facts off of trillions of dollars worth of studies, years upon years of research, hard evidence, facts that prove the Bible couldn't be real, and much much more.

I believe.........you may be at a loss here.

[James Hutchins]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

Welcome friend. Why all the hate? Does Gods existence scare or threaten you? We are not extremists, actually, we are far from it. When most people are children, their parents tell them to eat their vegetables to make them smart.
We are the one group that follows the Bible. If the Bible says 'sit', we sit, if it says 'stand', we stand. It it say 'run', we run where many other so called 'Christian Religions' may walk instead. Does that make us extremists? Much like the military, we do what our commander tells us to do. We do not question His orders. Is the military a group of extremists?
You ask if God exists, I say 'of course'. He talks to me regularly and watches over me. You can say that life and all the beauty around is pure happenstance. That is fine. God gave you the ability, it is called 'free will' and no one can take that from you. You are entitled to be incorrect and I applaud you for doing so. Enjoy the gift He gave you, even if you do let it spoil.
Based on your complaints, I bet you never ate your vegetables.

[Elijah71]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

Yes, God is real and He show his love everyday in everywhere.

Example, yesterday when i was walking on a street, a thief came to me and forced me to give my money to him. I felt The God were next to me all the time. That's why the thief only took my money.

Anyway, God planned this, because the thief will be sorry when he sees Gods anger. Then God will direct him straight back to our church and we will get the money through donations.


See, Lord can do whatever He wants. Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord!

[Fanryu]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

Yes, God is real and He show his love everyday in everywhere.

Example, yesterday when i was walking on a street, a thief came to me and forced me to give my money to him. I felt The God were next to me all the time. That's why the thief only took my money.

Anyway, God planned this, because the thief will be sorry when he sees Gods anger. Then God will direct him straight back to our church and we will get the money through donations.


See, Lord can do whatever He wants. Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord!

So you say, that if there was no God in your eyes, the guy would have killed you blind, and thought nothing of it? Have you ever thought the only reason he stole from you is because he needs money and has no other way? I'm certain he didn't wanna face a murder charge, theft is one thing.

In retrospect, you're saying ANYTHING!!! that's good in the world, happens ONLY because God wants it to. If that's the case, then we have no free will. And if that's the case, then what's the point in living if everything is predetermined and we have no control over ourselves?

And now, to Mr Hutchins, can you prove that life isn't all just a one gigantic chance? That it DIDN'T happen the way the vast majority of people believe it to? You say God talks to you everyday, okay, so how does he speak to you? Does he walk up to you on the street and go "Hey, listen, today I want you to do this, and that."? No, he does not. You do something, and go "WOW! GOD MUST HAVE PLANNED FOR ME TO DO THIS!"

And then to your point. He tells you to sit, and you sit, walk and you walk, run and you run. So what you're telling me is he's training all his followers like dogs? For what? At least the military has a point, to defend us from harm and danger. You are told to do this for what...? The belief that MAYBE there is life after death? And if there isn't, you're spending your whole life devoting all your time to something that is false and untrue. Spending your WHOLE life, your ONE life, on something that may not exist, and you have no real proof to it's existance.

Basically, you wanna look good in the eyes of your master. The person who's treating you like a dog, like something that needs to be taught, and can't just learn on it's own. I choose to learn on my own. Without a master. And if God really does exist, and after all this I get sent to hell for it, it was worth it. I was way more happier doing what I wanted to do, when I wanted to do it. And learning what is what in life, and what is bad, what is good. I don't want someone to teach me what I should do, what I shouldn't. If I do something, and it was bad to do, then I'll gladly take the consequences. I won't devote my whole life to trying to please a dog trainer.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

No matter what I say "Oh if God existed, why would he let innocent people die?" "God works in mysterious ways!" There's nothing "mysterious" about thousands of people dying in the World Trade Centers.

This is a total straw man argument. I would not say "God works in mysterious ways" in response to that question. I would point out that God gave us the gift of Free Will. As such, evil people can choose to stray away from the Lord and do evil things.

Are you so weak as to use such straw man arguments at the drop of a hat? In fact, I think your entire work of posts here is one big straw man. Why don't you try ASKING us about such specifics and see what we say BEFORE you come in here with a prejudicial preconceived notion of how we will think or behave.

Man, all atheists are the same!

Hmmm, it doesn't matter what happened to the people in the Bible, it matters what the Bible says we can and cannot do. It says that we are allowed to have slaves and to beat our wives.

Please support that outrageous claim by quoting the where the Bibel says such a crazy thing.

It's not relying on a cartoon for truths, it's hearing the point, questioning about it, doing research, and coming to find that it sounds that it's way more likely than the Bible portrays it.

And to my knowledge you have not heard our point yet since you haven't engaged us in adult conversation where you ask specific questions and hear what we have to say.

You're reading a book that many millions of people believe in,

WRONG! BILLIONS of people. PLEASE know what the heck you are talking about before you spread lies.

but not a single one of them have proof that any of the stuff in it exists, none of it truly happened, or that the person who wrote it wasn't just incredibly insane.

Have you gone outside and wondered at the beauty of the world? Have you not researched things like the Kalam Cosmological Argument? You DO know that if the universal constants were off by even 0.00001%, life could not exist? Have you even read the Bible? All of this and more is proof of God.

I'm basing my beliefs on hard facts, evidence, studies, and the wide acceptance of at least a BILLION people,

OK you have a Billion we have over two billion. I would say that that firmly puts the burden of proof on you, right?

that dinosaurs did exist,

They did. They are in the Bible.

we did evolve from neanderthals, and we are going to continue to evolve until the day the human race dies.

You see, here is where your hypocrisy is exposed. You read ONE BOOK and you start this religion of darwinism. We use one book with MUCH BETTER LOGIC in it and you call us zealots.

I have many MANY facts and evidence, where-as, Christianity, nor any religion, has any.

Yes we do, much of it by scientists. You DO know that the HEAD of NIH is an Evangelical Christian, right?

Also, science is proof, evidence, sense-able logic. That's why I can rely on it, because I, myself, have a hand in proving that your proverbial "Almighty God" doesn't exist.

Please provide proof that God doesn't exist. I would like to see you try that one!

Science has evidence that God doesn't exist, where-as religion doesn't have evidence that Science is lying. Therefore, I can rely on it, and not be seen as a fool.

Cold fusion ring a bell? How about the anti-vaxer lies in the Lancet? How about the fact that newton's physics were wrong? Science is always lying and changing it's story. the Bible has withstood the test of time.

Take this is a point, if I go out and believe in aliens from another planet, I'm seen as crazy, insane, idiotic, paranoid. I have no proof aliens exist, no proof they can travel through space, no proof they've been to earth, none of this.

Are you saying aliens wrote the Bible?

Okay so, you believe in god, and you're seen as holy and a good man. Funny, you can't prove God exists, you can't prove that were he to be able, he can create planets and planes of existance, no proof he truly touches our lives everyday.

Now you are just repeating your claims over and over. I have given you proof. you have yet to engage in a dialog. Do you just want to come in here and yell at us or do you want to learn something? You claim to seek knowledge yet all you do is repeat claims without conversing.

[Kilpalin]

CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bunch o

CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bunch of hard ones...

[Elijah71]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

You shouldn't talk about spiritual work because you don't understand anything about it. Just accept, that Jesus and God is very alive.

Do you think that pathetic non-believers are the reason why everything still exist? If you do, you are wrong. God's will is the only reason why we are still here. God doesn't have to proof anything. Jesus is a living proof.

Don't be scared and start already reading the one and only bible. King James words, straight from God's mouth.

[James Dewitt]

Re: CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bun

CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bunch of hard ones...

Evolution, you have got to be kidding. We shot that down when with the actual age of the earth. You and your ilk base your half arse ideas on the stupid theory that the earth is billions of years old.

Why do you hate Jesus?
Why do you want to kill Sister Palin?

[Elijah71]

Re: CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bun

Evolution, you have got to be kidding. We shot that down when with the actual age of the earth. You and your ilk base your half arse ideas on the stupid theory that the earth is billions of years old.

Why do you hate Jesus?
Why do you want to kill Sister Palin?

Dear James,

Why I always feel sad when i heard people speaking vicious things about our great upcoming leader, which is chosen by God himself?

Personally i believe, that Sarah Palin is probably one of the greatest things what happened after Jesus was born.

[Fanryu]

Re: CREATIONISM - Because it's easier to read one book than a bun

Gabriel, you do realize I'm trying to rouse you to actually EXPLAIN why I might be wrong right? And all you do, like every other internet troll, which I suspect you to be, you go down low and insult me, although I have no insulted you. I'm making MY points, in which turn you are to make your own, which you don't.

Show me something, that I can hold, that proves that God exists. The Bible doesn't prove God exists. Because were it to, I'm gonna right a book about a 35 arm baboon that can kill people with a glance at them. Oh, well I wrote about it, it must be true, right?

God did not say "Dinosaurs roamed the Earth" he said "Great Beasts". Great beasts could be dinosaurs, or it could be a cougar for all you know.

You say you've given me proof, but you haven't. What you've given me is a few scientific beliefs that were false, which, according to you, the people are lying. Ever hear of a mistake? Do you think that Newton went "Well, I think today I'm going to release some new bits of science that are fake, just to irritate people."? No he did not. It was a mistake. He thought that's how it went, and since then, we've corrected that mistake.

Yes, the Bible has withstood time, but there was no test. If you grew up without your parents telling you to brush your teeth, do you think you would have brushed your teeth? No. It became a habit that they forced you to do, now you do it on your own because it's a habit. You feel strange without it. So now, instead, replace this idea with Christianity. Or any religion. Feeling strange isn't a loss of faith, it's a loss of something you're really used to doing. My mother didn't force me to believe in god, she didn't force me to do anything. She gave me options, and said choose what I want. Just like all parents should. I won't be a slave to anyone.

I also see that you failed to quote on the fact that God seems to treat us, much like we treat dogs. Is there a reason for that? Don't have an answer for it?

The Mayans have predicted MANY things, and ALL of them have come true. They predicted, long before Christianity, that something would happen to change our world greatly in the year 2012. Did the Bible predict this? No, they didn't. Did they predict ANYTHING the Mayans predicted? No, it didn't.

No one can find the bones of Jesus, nor any of the "famous people" in the Bible. No one can find any of the objects they speak of in the Bible.

[Elijah71]

Re: ATTN: "Rev." Jim Osborne

I've always known that people are little bit simple who won't to believe in Jesus.

It's the God what makes people mind determined and happy. God speaks to me everyday, because i serve him well.

If you want to be like me, you should read King James Bible.