[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Originally posted by EveningStarNM

Originally posted by Jedediah
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

…Well, I'm pretty sure that's what I've done. I mean, if you follow logic (another one of God's gifts to us), it gives us a pretty clear direction.

The problem is that our understanding is limited: it gives rise to limited "logic" whereas God's understanding is not limited. You might compare two computers, one a 1980's 8bit unit, the other a current state-of-the-art 8xQuadcore 64bit maxRAM setup with full pro-3D graphics pipeline.

Anything the lesser unit would handle could run on the modern computer.
But very few programs written for the 64bit OS could be "understood" by the 8bit unit.

Similarly any thoughts of ours can be understood by God in an instant, but unless He translates His thoughts into a form we can understand, they will be utterly incomprehensible to us.

God understands that - and unlike the 64bit machine (which is limited) He is without any limits at all. This is what He has told us:

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right vnto a man; but the end thereof are the wayes of death.
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That would certainly mean that God is directing our paths. It seems like logic would be an easy way for God to do that. And if there's one thing about God that I absolutely do trust, it's logic.

Sound logic may be reliable, but human logic is not sound. Chapter 12 expresses it a little more forcefully:

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a foole is right in his owne eyes: but he that hearkeneth vnto counsell, is wise.
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…I honestly don't know how it is possible to disobey God, when you get right down to it.

Then how come so many people have been blighted, killed and sent to Hell for disobeying Him?

…One of his Laws, for instance, implies that you can't have an action without an equal and opposite reaction.

That is not one of God's Laws, it is one of Isaac Newton's.
Neither are the "laws of nature" Laws which "nature" obeys: they are just a description of what we happen to observe. Here. Now.

No one has ever found a way around that Law, and it seems certain that no one ever will. All of the rest of the Laws are like that, too.

It's not "the laws" that are like that - IT'S US.

That is why God has told us to: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

And that is what you are not doing when you rely on logic alone.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

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Orininally posted by MorningStarNM

…After all, God gave you free will, therefore I could only think that it was God's will that you have the opportunity to taste such a sandwich…

Yes? I'll be grateful if you would elaborate. Was I wrong?

Maybe I'm misreading this, but Deuteronomy 30:15 seems to say pretty clearly that it's up to each person to "choose". And John 15:7 does seem to imply that it's a choice each person has to make as to whether or not they will "abide".

That certainly sounds like free will to me. And I keep hearing that God created us, so God had to give it to us, right?

But maybe I'm wrong.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Pastor Sampson did not say he hated you. He asked why you think he hates you. Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.

Well, I admit that it's possible that I misinterpreted his question, but there is no doubt that his wording left the question ambiguous. Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

But I think we have some common ground to work with now.

That's good to know! I'm always searching for ways to get along with others! Of course, sometimes people don't want to be friends. They just want to control other people and try to make others do what they want. But I'm not that kind of person. "Do unto others...", and all that. I wouldn't want others to try to dictate to me, so I don't try to dictate to them. After all, God gave each of us the ability to see and listen and learn what God might want us to learn and do. Who am I to decide for someone else what God has said to them or how God has said it? I'm certainly not qualified to speak for God, that's for sure! God seems to be able to do that very well without my help. Besides, I could be wrong about what God has said to others.

We are overflowing with True Christian Love™ for the unsaved trash who come here and try to push their wickedness and false doctrines on us and tell us that we are wrong, but as True Christians™, we are protected by the full Armor of God and remain steadfast. Our pure, Christian love is precisely the reason that we rebuke unsaved trash and point out to them that they are spiraling out of control towards the lake of fire!

Well, I certainly don't object to that. I wouldn't presume to tell anyone here what doctrine they should follow. And I certainly don't want to be wicked toward anyone. However, I must admit that I don't feel very loved by anyone here, and I've learned that it's never a good idea to trust someone who says that they love you when there is no evidence to believe that they do. I have a fairly good understanding of what love is and what it looks like, so, as all people do with regard to love, I'll be the one to decide if someone actually does love me or not.

And yes, there are those who will not receive our message of love because they lack the discernment to recognize our love for what it is. We tell them that they are going to hell if they don't change, and they take it as a personal insult and don't recognize that we are trying to toss them a life preserver from the main deck of the boat to Heaven that we ride. If they would just read and live by the Holy Bible and let Jesus into their hearts, they would realize that we love them and we want them to join us in Heaven! And when it comes to winning souls for Christ, I take my queue straight from God' Word.

II Timothy 4:1-5
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I have to admit that I've been told that I'm going to Hell, but I've never felt insulted by it. I mean, sure, Hell doesn't sound like a place where I would want to spend eternity. But I've just never found a reason to feel insulted when told that I'm going to Hell. I'm pretty sure that the Bible says that God will be making any judgements that have to be made in that regard. It's a sure bet that only God can send someone to Hell and that no mere human can. So I have little confidence in and take no offense from any other human who threatens me with going to Hell.

Besides, no one can ever know for certain what is in someone else's head, all we can ever really do is to observe as best as we can and hope that what we observe is actually what is going on inside them. I'll let you know just as soon as I observe any love here. I apologize, but that's the best that I can do, unless I suddenly have the power of telepathy (which I sincerely doubt any human or other creature has ever had).

If your house was on fire while you slept inside, would you want me to tap on your front door and whisper to you, or would you rather me bust out your bedroom window and yell at the top of my lungs, "WAKE UP! IF YOU DON'T WAKE UP, YOU ARE GOING TO BURN!!!"

If we didn't love and care about you or any of the other unsaved trash who come here all but crying out for help, we wouldn't say a thing to you. We'd just let you continue on to hell, knowing full well that we will be in the bosom of Jesus when we die. But because we love you and the other unsaved trash, we rebuke you forcefully, in hopes that your souls are steered toward Heaven.

I would do those things no matter how I felt about someone, whether I loved them or not. Wouldn't you? I do try to love everyone, though.

But I do hope you understand that I certainly am asking for your help -- and I really want it! I need your help to understand what you're talking about. If some of my questions and statments seem a bit challenging it's simply because I'm trying to get a better understanding of what it is that you're saying. Not, of course, that anything I say could ever be an actual challenge for you, right? I'm sure that you don't feel at all challenged by anything that I've said. Well, at least, I hope not.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

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Orininally posted by MorningStarNM

…After all, God gave you free will, therefore I could only think that it was God's will that you have the opportunity to taste such a sandwich…

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

NOW WAIT JUST A DARNED MINUTE!

Felicity just gave me yet another in fraction, this time for this message for "Denying the existence of Heaven/Hell/Noah's Flood/Angels/Talking Flaming Shrubs despite mountains of evidence". And it cost me 100 points (whatever those are)!

That's just it: those theories don't seem to be at all "bizarre". Once you understand a little math (which I suppose you would have to say is another of God's gifts to us), those theories begin to make perfect sense!

But I do think you're right that I have a decision to make, although I don't agree with how you framed it -- and you might not like the decision that I make. But I'm sure that you've made some decisions in your life that I wouldn't like much, either. And what was it that Jesus said? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That was always my favorite thing in the Bible.

To each his own, I guess. Live and let live. You go your way and I'll go mine.

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Well, I'm pretty sure that's what I've done. I mean, if you follow logic (another one of God's gifts to us), it gives us a pretty clear direction. That would certainly mean that God is directing our paths. It seems like logic would be an easy way for God to do that. And if there's one thing about God that I absolutely do trust, it's logic.

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Well, now, that's where you lose me, because I think that God does want us to understand, and that God does provide the answers, but we have to look for them and accept them when we find them. Asking "why" is just the way we start down the path toward a better understanding of God, to "praise" God, so to speak.

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I honestly don't know how it is possible to disobey God, when you get right down to it. One of his Laws, for instance, implies that you can't have an action without an equal and opposite reaction. No one has ever found a way around that Law, and it seems certain that no one ever will. All of the rest of the Laws are like that, too.

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Now, look: God sure didn't tell us how to build harvesters, tractors, and trains in the Bible, and while we might not have needed them when there weren't so many of us, we sure do need them today if we're going to feed everybody, and we had to figure out how to build them starting, a long time ago, with nothing but rocks and sticks and the brains that God gave us!

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You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that that was pure genius on your part. But I don't see where the Bible says that we shouldn't learn how to build tractor with which to grow more food to feed the hungry or a telescope that can see billions of years into the universe's past.

The "simple" explanation seems to be that if we have a question then we should figure out how to answer it.

I deny that I denied any of those things in this message! I did not intend to deny any of those things! I did not even mention Heaven or Hell or Noah's Flood or Angels or Talking Flaming Shrubs in that message! There is not even a way to imply that I meant to deny any of those things in that message because I did not mean to deny any of those things in that message!

Did I get infracted because I did not talk about those things? Should I talk about them in every message in order to avoid denying them? How can I possibly obey the rules here if I don't know how I broke a rule, or even what the rules are????

Accusing people of doing things that they haven't done and had no intention of doing certainly seems like a very un-Christian thing to do.

I did not do what she said that I did, nor did I intend to do those things. Period!

[Jedediah]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Gosh! I have no idea why you would think any of that about me! I certainly would try to put out the flames on your house if it was burning! I would try to save you from a speeding bus, too! If something was trying to hurt you and you were in immediate danger, I would be willing to risk my life to try to help you! But that's just me, and I wouldn't expect you to do the same. After all, you do hate me, as you said.

Pastor Sampson did not say he hated you. He asked why you think he hates you. Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.

But I think we have some common ground to work with now.

We are overflowing with True Christian Love™ for the unsaved trash who come here and try to push their wickedness and false doctrines on us and tell us that we are wrong, but as True Christians™, we are protected by the full Armor of God and remain steadfast. Our pure, Christian love is precisely the reason that we rebuke unsaved trash and point out to them that they are spiraling out of control towards the lake of fire!

And yes, there are those who will not receive our message of love because they lack the discernment to recognize our love for what it is. We tell them that they are going to hell if they don't change, and they take it as a personal insult and don't recognize that we are trying to toss them a life preserver from the main deck of the boat to Heaven that we ride. If they would just read and live by the Holy Bible and let Jesus into their hearts, they would realize that we love them and we want them to join us in Heaven! And when it comes to winning souls for Christ, I take my queue straight from God' Word.

II Timothy 4:1-5
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

If your house was on fire while you slept inside, would you want me to tap on your front door and whisper to you, or would you rather me bust out your bedroom window and yell at the top of my lungs, "WAKE UP! IF YOU DON'T WAKE UP, YOU ARE GOING TO BURN!!!"

If we didn't love and care about you or any of the other unsaved trash who come here all but crying out for help, we wouldn't say a thing to you. We'd just let you continue on to hell, knowing full well that we will be in the bosom of Jesus when we die. But because we love you and the other unsaved trash, we rebuke you forcefully, in hopes that your souls are steered toward Heaven.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Math is absolute crap. The Bible clearly tells us that Pi=3. There's no decimal point in the Word!

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Well, THAT certainly is very interesting! I would be interested in a demonstration of a circle that has a radius of, say, one inch and a circumference of six inches. Could you post a picture of that, please? I'm always interested in learning more about geometry.

By the way, you wouldn't happen to know the formula for converting cubits into other units of measure, would you? I can't seem to find one, so I'd be grateful if you could tell me what it is. The reason that I ask is that I suspect that my Bible is 1/4 cubits by 1/3 cubits in dimension, but I'd like to make sure.

However, that does bring up an important question: are there any slashes "/" in the Bible? If not, does that mean that measuring something that is less than one inch, for instance, also is "crap"? Or one foot? Or one mile?

Personally, I would prefer that someone would warn me if I was doing wrong. I hope someone would push me back away from the speeding bus coming to hit me, but I guess you wouldn't.

Live and let live as the house burns down and I did nothing to try to save you. Why do you think I hate you so much? Why do you hate Jesus so much?

Gosh! I have no idea why you would think any of that about me! I certainly would try to put out the flames on your house if it was burning! I would try to save you from a speeding bus, too! If something was trying to hurt you and you were in immediate danger, I would be willing to risk my life to try to help you! But that's just me, and I wouldn't expect you to do the same. After all, you do hate me, as you said.

But there are so many things where "doing wrong" is just a matter of opinion that I wouldn't presume to try to correct you on everything that I thought you might be doing wrong. For instance, if you tried to put peanut butter and chocolate and garlic on a sardine sandwich, I would never try to correct you even though that is a disgusting combination! I would naturally assume that you would be able to make that decision for yourself. After all, God gave you free will, therefore I could only think that it was God's will that you have the opportunity to taste such a sandwich and decide for yourself if you liked it or not.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Original posts by EveningStarNM

If God (however you understand "God") created everything, then God also created the dinosaur fossils. It also follows that God gave us the ability to observe and learn, and the Laws of Nature to guide us in that learning. All of the evidence that we've gathered based on those "God-given gifts" shows that those dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. But how can that be if the world is only 6000 years old? I'm not saying that God actually did this, but did God put those fossils there to trick us? I just can't believe that God (again, however you understand "God") is a liar.

Well if I dig up a skeleton, I can tell what sort of an animal it was (or not, as the case may be), there is no room for "opinion" - either I know what it is or I don't. Similarly with a human skeleton - most people would recognise one. Some animals are extinct, e.g. the dodo.

That bird was alive recently enough however for drawings to have been made. Anyone digging up a dodo skeleton might recognise it.

Other animals have been extinct for longer. Some of them have been described quite accurately and we can recognise those too. Some of those descriptions are in The Bible.

Obviously they were all created on days 5 & 6 of that first week, 6 millennia ago.

Is God a malicious prankster? I sincerely hope that the answer to that is "No".

It is.†
The Bible tells us that by His Word, all things were created.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

John 1:1,3,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among vs (& we beheld his glory, the glory as of the onely begotten of the Father)
. .†full of grace and trueth.

There is a deceiver, however.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the deuill and Satan, which deceiueth the whole world: hee was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This brings up another thing: God gave us curiosity and an ability to learn. It seems logical then that God would want us learn, right? After all, we would be learning about God's work, and that would be "to the greater glory of God", I suppose.

Although we might have an ability to learn, we are more likely to be deceived. God made everything, is not some "prankster" and instructs us, through His Word. When some liar asserts that some of the animals described in The Bible lived millions of years ago, we know that is wrong because it disagrees with what God Himself has told us. Digging up the skeleton of some extinct animal does not prove that the world was not made in the way God said. Secular so-called "science' is a massive lie, perpetrated by an army of Satan's liars (and by fools).

II John 1:7 For many deceiuers are entred into the world, who confesse not that Iesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiuer, and an Antichrist.

What's more, every time we find a question that we can't answer and just leave it as "It's God's will and not for us to know", somebody comes along later and answers that question. I mean Isaac Newton felt that he had to attribute some things to God that he couldn't explain, but then other scientists came along later and explained them.

Why should we believe that there are some things that "we could never work out" when we keep working out more and more difficult questions? It seems to me that it's just a matter of time and diligence.

Virtually everything taught in the atheistic secular "science" classroom is false. It is part of a satanic indoctrination programme. The answers that seem to excite you so are not answers, they are lies. We know they are lies because they contradict God's Word: they are antichristian. God knew this would happen, and tells us two things:

1} Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shal shew great signes and wonders: insomuch that (if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.
25 Behold, I haue told you before.

God is quite clear here: forewarned is forearmed.

2} I John 4:1 Beloued, beleeue not euery spirit, but trie the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the spirit of God: euery spirit that confesseth that Iesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God.
3 And euery Spirit that confesseth not that Iesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God: and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof you haue heard, that it should come, and euen now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and haue ouercome them: because greater is he that is in you, then he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speake they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: hee that knoweth God, heareth vs: he that is not of God heareth not vs, hereby know wee the spirit of trueth, and the spirit of errour.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

That's just it: those theories don't seem to be at all "bizarre". Once you understand a little math (which I suppose you would have to say is another of God's gifts to us), those theories begin to make perfect sense!

Math is absolute crap. The Bible clearly tells us that Pi=3. There's no decimal point in the Word!

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That was always my favorite thing in the Bible.
To each his own, I guess. Live and let live. You go your way and I'll go mine.

Personally, I would prefer that someone would warn me if I was doing wrong. I hope someone would push me back away from the speeding bus coming to hit me, but I guess you wouldn't.
Live and let live as the house burns down and I did nothing to try to save you. Why do you think I hate you so much? Why do you hate Jesus so much?

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

According to what? Has any person ever actually observed the half life of Uranium 238?

Yes! Where were you? You don't have to see the whole 4.5 billion years of it to know what it is. All you have to do is to watch how fast a part of a sample decays. After that, it's a simple problem of arithmetic to figure out how long it would take half of the sample to decay.

C'mon. That's simple stuff.

Don't be ridiculous. Man and dinosaurs clearly lived together. Haven't you ever been to the Creation Science Museum? Haven't you ever read about the dragons and behemoths in the Bible? I'm a gold donor to its important work in preserving the purely scientific six day creation theory.

Well, it seems more likely is that what is "clear" to you and what is "clear" to me are two different things. I don't think I'm likely to spend any time at that museum you fund if that's the kind of stuff I'd have to listen to there.

But I did read about the dragons and behemoths in the Bible. We just have different names for them today.

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

It seems you have a choice to make. Are you going to follow the Word of God and be guided by the Holy Spirit, or are you going to be deceived by fallen men who concoct these bizarre "theories" either out of ignorance or contempt for the Judeo-Christian Principles upon which our Great Nation was founded?

That's just it: those theories don't seem to be at all "bizarre". Once you understand a little math (which I suppose you would have to say is another of God's gifts to us), those theories begin to make perfect sense!

But I do think you're right that I have a decision to make, although I don't agree with how you framed it -- and you might not like the decision that I make. But I'm sure that you've made some decisions in your life that I wouldn't like much, either. And what was it that Jesus said? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That was always my favorite thing in the Bible.

To each his own, I guess. Live and let live. You go your way and I'll go mine.

I suggest you contemplate on the following verse of Scripture. I do not think that it can be overemphasized.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Well, I'm pretty sure that's what I've done. I mean, if you follow logic (another one of God's gifts to us), it gives us a pretty clear direction. That would certainly mean that God is directing our paths. It seems like logic would be an easy way for God to do that. And if there's one thing about God that I absolutely do trust, it's logic.

Our job is not to ask "why."

Well, now, that's where you lose me, because I think that God does want us to understand, and that God does provide the answers, but we have to look for them and accept them when we find them. Asking "why" is just the way we start down the path toward a better understanding of God, to "praise" God, so to speak.

Our job is to obey God and to glorify God in all that we do and to seek His Face.

I honestly don't know how it is possible to disobey God, when you get right down to it. One of his Laws, for instance, implies that you can't have an action without an equal and opposite reaction. No one has ever found a way around that Law, and it seems certain that no one ever will. All of the rest of the Laws are like that, too.

He has told us all that we need to know in the Holy Bible, and He has given us the Holy Spirit to guide our actions on a day-to-day basis.

Now, look: God sure didn't tell us how to build harvesters, tractors, and trains in the Bible, and while we might not have needed them when there weren't so many of us, we sure do need them today if we're going to feed everybody, and we had to figure out how to build them starting, a long time ago, with nothing but rocks and sticks and the brains that God gave us!

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? Simply put, it is a principle that states that the simplest explanation is always correct. What simpler explanation could there be for these questions than to just say "the Bible is right"?

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that that was pure genius on your part. But I don't see where the Bible says that we shouldn't learn how to build tractor with which to grow more food to feed the hungry or a telescope that can see billions of years into the universe's past.

The "simple" explanation seems to be that if we have a question then we should figure out how to answer it.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

Okay, this brings up exactly what I don't get. While you've undoubtedly heard this question a million times before, I've never heard an answer to it, and I would really like to know what you think:

If God (however you understand "God") created everything, then God also created the dinosaur fossils. It also follows that God gave us the ability to observe and learn, and the Laws of Nature to guide us in that learning. All of the evidence that we've gathered based on those "God-given gifts" shows that those dinosaur fossils are millions of years old.

According to what? Has any person ever actually observed the half life of Uranium 238?

But how can that be if the world is only 6000 years old? I'm not saying that God actually did this, but did God put those fossils there to trick us? I just can't believe that God (again, however you understand "God") is a liar.

Don't be ridiculous. Man and dinosaurs clearly lived together. Haven't you ever been to the Creation Science Museum? Haven't you ever read about the dragons and behemoths in the Bible?

I'm a gold donor to its important work in preserving the purely scientific six day creation theory.

[Jedediah]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

It seems you have a choice to make. Are you going to follow the Word of God and be guided by the Holy Spirit, or are you going to be deceived by fallen men who concoct these bizarre "theories" either out of ignorance or contempt for the Judeo-Christian Principles upon which our Great Nation was founded? I suggest you contemplate on the following verse of Scripture. I do not think that it can be overemphasized.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Our job is not to ask "why." Our job is to obey God and to glorify God in all that we do and to seek His Face. He has told us all that we need to know in the Holy Bible, and He has given us the Holy Spirit to guide our actions on a day-to-day basis.

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? Simply put, it is a principle that states that the simplest explanation is always correct. What simpler explanation could there be for these questions than to just say "the Bible is right"?

[EveningStarNM]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

It would appear that you have become infected with aboriginal demons.

Well, I do prefer to leave judgements about my character to others. Some people like me, some don't. I guess that's just the way things go.

However I agree that the scientific illiteracy of many teachers is not good.

Oh! I'm so happy to hear that!

And it is not rectricted to government run secular education programmes. Even supposedly "Christian" schools teach the most ridiculous rubbish! Recently I was looking over some prep. (child of a family member) and was amazed to see a reference to "the observable universe" with an estimated diameter of 90,000 million light years! It is outrageous that indoctrination of that sort is foisted on young minds before they have developed the critical faculties to sift fact from fiction.

None of those teachers have been "in space" and even at our best private
schools, supposedly "Christian" (although non-denominational ),
this sort of wild speculation is disseminated as truth.
Although really it is not speculation, is it? It's a deliberate lie.

Uh-oh. Maybe not.

We know that nothing beyond 6,000 "light-years" would be visible from the earth - even if any light could penetrate such a distance!

Okay, this brings up exactly what I don't get. While you've undoubtedly heard this question a million times before, I've never heard an answer to it, and I would really like to know what you think:

If God (however you understand "God") created everything, then God also created the dinosaur fossils. It also follows that God gave us the ability to observe and learn, and the Laws of Nature to guide us in that learning. All of the evidence that we've gathered based on those "God-given gifts" shows that those dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. But how can that be if the world is only 6000 years old? I'm not saying that God actually did this, but did God put those fossils there to trick us? I just can't believe that God (again, however you understand "God") is a liar.

Is God a malicious prankster? I sincerely hope that the answer to that is "No".

God has told us many things that we could never work out for ourselves.

This brings up another thing: God gave us curiosity and an ability to learn. It seems logical then that God would want us learn, right? After all, we would be learning about God's work, and that would be "to the greater glory of God", I suppose.

What's more, every time we find a question that we can't answer and just leave it as "It's God's will and not for us to know", somebody comes along later and answers that question. I mean Isaac Newton felt that he had to attribute some things to God that he couldn't explain, but then other scientists came along later and explained them.

Why should we believe that there are some things that "we could never work out" when we keep working out more and more difficult questions? It seems to me that it's just a matter of time and diligence.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is this an interesting place?

"EveningStar" … "MorningStar" … Cherokee … Native Americans … "White Buffalo" etc.

It would appear that you have become infected with aboriginal demons.

However I agree that the scientific illiteracy of many teachers is not good. And it is not rectricted to government run secular education programmes. Even supposedly "Christian" schools teach the most ridiculous rubbish! Recently I was looking over some prep. (child of a family member) and was amazed to see a reference to "the observable universe" with an estimated diameter of 90,000 million light years! It is outrageous that indoctrination of that sort is foisted on young minds before they have developed the critical faculties to sift fact from fiction.

None of those teachers have been "in space" and even at our best private
schools, supposedly "Christian" (although non-denominational ),
this sort of wild speculation is disseminated as truth.
Although really it is not speculation, is it? It's a deliberate lie.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make warre with the remnant of her seed, which keepe the Commaundements of God, and haue the testimony of Iesus Christ.
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This was foretold by John (on the Isle of Patmos Revelation 1:9) and is happening now. We know that God made the world, the sky: He has told us so. I sometimes think of this as like an architect who designed a house, and who is able to describe unseen features (such as some internal structure). Then when you look for them: there they are!

God has told us many things that we could never work out for ourselves. He made everything, and of course knows the whole truth of the matter.

JOB 9
4 He is wise in heart, and mightie in strength: who hath hardened himselfe against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which remoueth the mountains, and they know not: which ouerturneth them in his anger:
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, & the pillars thereof tremble:
7 Which commandeth the Sunne, and it riseth not: and sealeth vp the starres.
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heauens, and treadeth vpon the waues of the Sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion and Pleiades, and the chambers of the South.
10 Which doeth great things past finding out, yea and wonders without number.
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We know that nothing beyond 6,000 "light-years" would be visible from the earth - even if any light could penetrate such a distance!

Then they start teaching sex, even though they know - SHOULD know, in a "church" based curriculum - that just about everything they teach leads to Hell. In reality they seem to know very little about their "subject" just as God told us: Ecclesiastes 11:5

One day soon, it will all end, and the sky will be rolled up again Isaiah 34:4 Revelation 6:14

That is reality, and THAT is what should be taught in schools. FACT. Not fiction. Psalm 139:14

PRAISE HIM !