[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Then why oh why did you have to cut half of the verse out?

Because the issue wasn’t why God killed Saul, it was merely whether Saul inquired of God. If you’re suggesting now that these two passages referred to two separate events, they why did you say the exact opposite in your original response?

I suggest you stop trolling…

Not likely.

Personaly i find UU a little too humanist, I like my apocolpse to have some pizzaz. nothing says apocolypse like the four horseman or revelations…. the idea of a slow enviromental and social disaster created by man that is unstopable is a little too depressing for me, I like the idea of a good reaping of human flesh, where only the most holy of human flesh is dined upon in heaven.

Finally, somebody in here admits that what you feel is relevant to your choice of religion. Thanks, Justin.

There is a worm-like parasite, Ommatokoita elongata, which lives inside the eyeball of Greenland sharks.

Funny you should mention that, I read a paper several years ago discussing the evolutionary biology of the copepods. I don’t see [sorry, bad pun] how your parable of the shark in any way informs a theological discussion, however, so I’m not going to follow up on this line of discussion further.

Your description of Unitarian Unicyclism

Half of this thread seems to be tied in knots about how I don’t discuss UU, and now you’re criticizing my description of it. You True Christian types really ought at least to get your stories straight.

Sweet Baby Jesus

Are you saying that you don’t want sweet adult Jesus to answer your prayer?

I have stopped engaging in discussion with you

And yet, here you are discussing with me. I agree, if you don't have anything substantive to say, there's no point in your wasting your time in this thread.

the majority of your discourse consists of deceit (pretending verses of Scripture came from Hindus)

What are you talking about? I never said that any verses from the Bible came from anywhere other than their true source. If you True Christians are so unfamiliar with the Bible that you don’t know what it says, please don’t blame me.

childish insults

I’ll try to level some more adult insults in the future

"witty" sarcasm

a Landover staple

Pastor Billy-Reuben is doing quite well at tromping your supposed Biblical knowledge without my assistance

So far he’s the only person in here who’s actually been able to anticipate my arguments and respond with any depth of knowledge rather than with slogans and insults. You’re right, he has done it without your assistance. And, he's not a gay black Jew like Joshua.

I am not convinced that you are anything but a troll

Maybe I’m really a True Christian in disguise.

If you had the Biblical knowledge you claim, surely you would know that the many practices engaged in by your UU fellows -- astrology, witchcraft, pagan idolatry, etc. -- are all forbidden by God and abominations in His eyes.

I agree that the Bible prohibits these things. I just don’t believe that the Bible is the sole source for what constitutes a good, Christian life.

If you believed in God and Jesus, as you claim to do, then you would know that these abominations are, in God's view (the only view which matters), grounds for an eternity of damnation….If you were a minister, as you claim to be, you would have as your goal ensuring the Salvation, not Damnation, of your congregation.

I believe in a creator. Call it God if you will, I certainly do. I believe that Jesus lived, and was the greatest moral philosopher and teacher ever to take breath. That doesn’t mean that the Bible, and your particular take on it, are the literal truth. Perhaps I’ve fallen into too many Heretic Traps.

If you think that I and other UU’s are damned, perhaps you need to re-read Romans 9:15-16: For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

What you think doesn’t count. What I think doesn’t count. What my congregation thinks doesn’t count. The only thing that counts is what God chooses to do. At least, that's what the Bible says.

The fact that you are claiming to preach anything other than Christianity in spite of your supposed Biblical knowledge leads me to believe that you (a) have gained most of your Biblical knowledge through the Skeptic's Annotated Bible; (b) do not believe in God and Jesus, but are in fact an atheist or agnostic; and (c) are not a minister of any congregation.

I believe in a creator, and I believe that Jesus was the greatest moral teacher in history, which is why I call myself a Christian. Since I do not have unquestionable views on anything, I suppose you could call me an agnostic. I don't see how the athiest label would apply to me. SAB is useful sometimes, but it is hit or miss. Real pros, which I am, use Strong's Concordance.

I do hope that you come to Jesus some day!

The great thing about Jesus is that he comes to us.

I was compared to those magnificent men of God Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell

Funny, I don’t think you’re much like those two at all.

perhaps you wouldn't mind expounding on the following verses

Easily done, though I doubt I can remove enough though from my analysis to please you, Brother Cletus. The last 12 verses of Mark 16 were added to the Gospels long after the rest of the book had been written, so in no way can be considered canonical except by someone who (a) is both completely illiterate in Greek and unaware of the earlier manuscripts, in which these 12 verses are missing or (b) has subordinated accuracy to the desire to support particular view. See Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why.

As for Revelation, they did have hashish back then, and whoever wrote the book (it clearly wasn’t written by the same person who wrote the Gospel of John) had obviously been smoking it. Nevertheless, I agree on the whole that how you live your life is more important than what you believe or how often you bathe when it comes to salvation.

Anyway, I see no reason to believe that the opinion of either “Mark” or “John” is more (or less) valuable than anyone else’s.

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I thought the sermon went especially well yesterday. Many of my parishioners were shocked by what I told them you guys claim to believe, but cautioned them that, before rejecting everything in your view out of hand, they should consider what is relevant to their lives and their spirituality. On the whole, the response mirrored what most of us think about the Bible—it’s a flawed document, but we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the baptismal water.

The congregation felt that I should offer an explanation of Unitarian Universalism to you, so I will work on that. One thing that I need to get straight first, however, is whether Heretic Traps is official doctrine of Landover Baptist or just a speculation by some members (it’s actually a lot easier to explain what we believe and why to someone who accepts the notion of Heretic Traps). Would anyone who disagrees with the Heretic Traps doctrine please let me know?

[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I thought the sermon went especially well yesterday. Many of my parishioners stuffed animals were shocked by what I told them, you guys claim to believe in following God's Word, but cautioned them that, before rejecting everything in your view out of hand, they should consider what is relevant to their lives and their spirituality stuffing. On the whole, the response mirrored what most of us think about the Bible—it’s a flawed document, but we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the baptismal water. nothing. After all, they're stuffed animals.

The congregation felt that I should offer an explanation of Unitarian Universalism to you, so I will work on that.

I've corrected a few errors in your post.

Why would Unitarians have a baptismal? You don't believe in God.

How can you offer an explanation? You've already explained that it's impossible, as UUs are merely pseudo-spiritual "dilettantes", as OEJ so aptly put it, with no doctrine of any sort, who have no place else to go on Sundays, desperately seeking a sense of belonging and some form of connection with the God they've rejected as not suiting their "lifestyle choices".

[Brother Cletus]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Friend, your problem is that you misunderestimate the importance of the Bible. All Scripture is given by inspiration; it is God-breathed, so if you if say that the Bible is flawed, you're saying that God is flawed; and if you say that God is flawed, well you're obviously lying.

Now, I would strongly advise that you seek true Salvation, and lay aside your Unitarian Unicyclist ways. And the only way to be truly saved is to cease and desist all commie hippie ravings against the Bible, accept Jesus, submit to the Authority of our Godly Pastors, and vote Republican.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I've corrected a few errors in your post.....

Thanks for another deeply thoughtful contribution to our discussions. No doubt it will be rewarded when you face the Lord on Judgement Day.

Friend, your problem is that you misunderestimate the importance of the Bible. All Scripture is given by inspiration; it is God-breathed, so if you if say that the Bible is flawed, you're saying that God is flawed; and if you say that God is flawed, well you're obviously lying.

Thank you. I will give this statement the attention it deserves as I contemplate my own spiritual life.

You guys have to understand, however, that certainty is not necessary to a church. Fellowship is the only irreplacable requirement. No doubt, many people will leave your forums with a negative view of religion, because most have not really read the Bible, and they will learn from you that believing every word of the Bible is piffling idiocy. That does not mean that they need to give up on religion or the core humanistic message of Jesus Christ. If they do, they'll probably wind up bitter and cynical, with a gaping hole in their hearts. And that, my friend, is the Unitarian Universalist definition of Hell.

the only way to be truly saved is to cease and desist all commie hippie ravings against the Bible, accept Jesus, submit to the Authority of our Godly Pastors, and vote Republican.

Better eternal damnation than voting Republican.

[TrulyTru]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Wow. I have enjoyed this entire thread immensely and I may be waaaaay over my head here, but I can't not speak...I realize that I'm just a woman and you don't hold my opinions very high at Landover, but I am a child of God and Jesus died for my sins. You are discussing MY Lord and MY personal Savior, so I feel this qualifies my opinion.

I read the newbie warnings against speaking on tolerance and I think I understand the Landover perspective - you want to shock people into salvation or show them "tough love" maybe? I do agree that the Holy Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God and I do agree that we should revere all of His creations. That said, I am one of His Creations and I don't think He likes it very much when you call ANY of His Creations trash...or have the audacity to believe that YOU can damn someone to eternal hell? (Like you do when you revoke their accounts here.)

I believe in His direction to "Judge not lest you be" so I won't. I don't have a theology degree, but I know this above anything and everything else - GOD IS LOVE! Love is patient and kind, it is not rude and it keeps no account of wrongs...it rejoices in truth and always hopes!!!

Peace to all of you...thank you for the spiritual 'stirring' Grad.

Tru

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

To reduce the message of the Holy KJV1611 Bible to three simplist words (God is love), is to render God into a plate of cold mush.

God is so much more, and it doesn't take a Theologian to understand that. It takes a True Christian™.

Try reading the Bible.

Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 6:16, 19
These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I realize that I'm just a woman and you don't hold my opinions very high at Landover, but I am a child of God and Jesus died for my sins. You are discussing MY Lord and MY personal Savior, so I feel this qualifies my opinion.

You aren't "just" anything. You are a caring and thoughtful human being, which, I'm afraid, puts you way ahead of the game around here. Don't let anybody (not Landover, not me, not anyone) mess with your head, telling you that you are in any way not as qualified as anyone else to choose your own spiritual path.

I am one of His Creations and I don't think He likes it very much when you call ANY of His Creations trash...or have the audacity to believe that YOU can damn someone to eternal hell? (Like you do when you revoke their accounts here.)

Not being banned might be the real punishment around here. If you want to stay and don't want to toe the Landover line, all you need to do is hold your nose and hit the paypal button. The Devil himself could post messages in here as long as his card isn't declined.

I don't have a theology degree, but I know this above anything and everything else - GOD IS LOVE! Love is patient and kind, it is not rude and it keeps no account of wrongs...it rejoices in truth and always hopes!!!

Beautifully said. You don't need to be a theologian to feel the warmth of God's love.

If you came in here looking for a spiritual home, I encourage you to stop by your nearest Unitarian Universalist church (here's the search page). I think you'll find that our beliefs are a lot more compatible with yours than warmed over hatred you'll find at Landover. If we're too unstructured for you, the United Methodist Church preaches a message of love within a more traditional Christian framework.

Peace to all of you...thank you for the spiritual 'stirring' Grad.

My pleasure.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Not being banned might be the real punishment around here. If you want to stay and don't want to toe the Landover line, all you need to do is hold your nose and hit the paypal button. The Devil himself could post messages in here as long as his card isn't declined.

My pleasure.

If your goal is to be banned, just say the word. I'll be happy to help you out. I certainly don't want to "punish" you with news of Christ's Salvation...

It'll be MY pleasure.

[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

BarrKingMad, this is not a place for you to proselytize your anti-Christian drivel to the UnSaved, HEATHEN!

How DARE you try to steer this poor, confused young lady from accepting the golden Love of Jesus, into your Wiccan-Satanic-Hindu-BelieveAnythingNet melange of perversions!

Give me one good reason I shouldn't ban you right now!!



TrulyTru, don't listen to this freak. He hates Landover and Jesus. He claims to be Christian AND Unitarian . . . which is impossible, because God's Word says to have NO GODS BEFORE HIM. Yet this false prophet teaches that you can pray to ANYTHING YOU WANT, even a Proctor-Silex Four-Slice Toaster!

I'm sorry, this is no laughing matter. Your eternal salvation is at stake, after all!

Please, TrulyTru, read more than this thread. Read this Forum, and you will soon realize that we are only trying to do God's Will, and communicate what He says in His Book.

Learn about God's Plan, and His Word, and how you can have His True Love, not this "free to do anything without consequences because there is no God" line the Unitarian Unicyclist Atheist here would like to feed you!

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

To reduce the message of the Holy KJV1611 Bible to three simplist words (God is love), is to render God into a plate of cold mush.

Funny, Landover people tend to stick to a list of about 30 verses of the Bible. I wonder where the rest of them went.

Try reading the Bible.

I absolutely agree. But don't just read the hateful parts that Landover Pastors show you. Here are a few verses that Pastor Ezekiel left out. As much as he'd probably like to remove them from the Bible, he's stuck with them:

Exodus 23:11 (on feeding the poor and our relationship to the natural world)
But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.

Psalm 82:3-6 (on social justice and what it means to be human)
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Ecclesiastes 3:12 (on the purpose of life)
I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

Isaiah 32:8-9 (on which political party to support)
The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

Micah 6:8 (how to walk the path of righteousness)
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Matthew 19:16-19 (Jesus on God's commandments)
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 6:35-36 (Jesus on judging others)
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

There are plenty more where those came from.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Give me one good reason I shouldn't ban you right now!!

OK. How about, because YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR? You might want to leave that sort of thing in the hands of the experts.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

If your goal is to be banned, just say the word. I'll be happy to help you out. I certainly don't want to "punish" you with news of Christ's Salvation.... It'll be MY pleasure.

Well, you might not be subtle, but at least you are moderately funny. I have other ministries to attend to, so I'm not exactly quaking in my boots here over the "threat" of banishment. I've been banned from way classier outfits than yours, and undoubtedly will be again. But without me around, you're back to discussions on this level:

UT: why are You a problem with supr Mario is not homersekshul just game for Chilrens HAHAHA! u Dammed not mee

TC: You're going to go to Hell, both for your homerism and your inability to punctuate.

At least I talk about the Bible, which I thought was what you guys were all about.

As for Christ's salvation, don't you folks preach that he was already saved when he was born?

[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

OK. How about, because YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR?

Well, OK then. You found the one good reason.


That's no reason to think you can come in here and try to convert TrulyTru to your perverse non-religion.

I mean, if you just want someplace to go on Sundays, why not open a coffeehouse? You could have chai lattes, and pastries, and Lezbian folk singers on acoustic guitars. Why confuse people spiritually and draw them away from God?

[Brother Cletus]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

You guys have to understand, however, that certainty is not necessary to a church. Fellowship is the only irreplacable requirement. No doubt, many people will leave your forums with a negative view of religion, because most have not really read the Bible, and they will learn from you that believing every word of the Bible is piffling idiocy. That does not mean that they need to give up on religion or the core humanistic message of Jesus Christ. If they do, they'll probably wind up bitter and cynical, with a gaping hole in their hearts. And that, my friend, is the Unitarian Universalist definition of Hell.

Look, StarsWarsDad:

The Bible in its entirety is the word of God. We *know* it's the word of God because it SAYS it's the word God. And since the Bible says that the Bible is true and also says that it's the word of God, then we *know* for a FACT that it's the true word of God because it says so right in the Bible!

Now, try twisting THAT with your Unitarian circular logic, hippie!

Better eternal damnation than voting Republican.

Friend, the only things that we True Christians hate more than a Godless liberal communist beatnik Demoncrat are Satan and cultural-religious satire.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Because the issue wasn’t why God killed Saul, it was merely whether Saul inquired of God.

You're avoiding the question entirely.
Also, the context makes all the difference in this case, and I've proved it.
What you're doing here is basically acting like a child here, putting your fingers in your ears and going "nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you."

This forum isn't here to serve as your amusement while your parents are too busy to play with you, pre-teen.

If you’re suggesting now that these two passages referred to two separate events, they why did you say the exact opposite in your original response?

I've said nothing of the sort:
Once again you're "creating" contradictions where there are none.

Not likely.

Allright then, Moderation it is.