[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

Re: Hello

So I should act on my fear for death/eternal hellfire?
I'm happy that you decided to continue this conversation, for I think it is a good one.

You should act because God, an infinite being, made the ultimate sacrifice for you, a worthless speck of dirt among billions of other worthless specks of dirt. What kind of person isn't thankful for that?

[Daan23]

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I am grateful and thankful for my existence, I enjoy (nearly) every minute of it. I also think of God, and what is right and wrong. But why is there sin and eternal hellfire, why is this world full of fear instead of love. Why can't God love me unconditionally? Like my mother who loves me no mater what I do. Is God not our Father, to guide us in good and bad weather like a sheepherder? Must he not also care and have love for the lost sheep?
Am I not grateful every time I eat, drink and ensure my survival? Is it not that through merely breathing we all honor His creation?
Is it not in love that we find his meaning? Why did God create Eva? I think because God wanted Adam to feel the love He was feeling for humanity and His creation.

[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

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I am grateful and thankful for my existence, I enjoy (nearly) every minute of it. I also think of God, and what is right and wrong. But why is there sin and eternal hellfire, why is this world full of fear instead of love. Why can't God love me unconditionally? Like my mother who loves me no mater what I do. Is God not our Father, to guide us in good and bad weather like a sheepherder? Must he not also care and have love for the lost sheep?
Am I not grateful every time I eat, drink and ensure my survival? Is it not that through merely breathing we all honor His creation?
Is it not in love that we find his meaning? Why did God create Eva? I think because God wanted Adam to feel the love He was feeling for humanity and His creation.

Friend, you're going about this all wrong. You have so much pride that you can't see past the end of your nose. You can say "What if" all you want- it doesn't change the fact that there is a certain way things are, as spelled out in the Bible, and that no matter what you do you cannot earn your way to heaven. All the intelligence and speculation in the world won't get you into heaven. The Bible is clear. YOU MUST BE SAVED.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." - John 3:3

[Daan23]

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What is this 'you must be saved.' What does it mean? That I let go of my past and my sins? Do I need to suffer for them? I truly am interested in this, it's difficult for me to understand what it means. I have been to church sometimes, but never on a regular basis.

I hope to once meet you in heaven, where you and I will truly be at peace.

[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

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What is this 'you must be saved.' What does it mean? That I let go of my past and my sins? Do I need to suffer for them? I truly am interested in this, it's difficult for me to understand what it means. I have been to church sometimes, but never on a regular basis.

I hope to once meet you in heaven, where you and I will truly be at peace.

Well the sinner's prayer goes something like this:

Dear God, I know that I am a worthless sinner, abominable in your sight, and need I forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing give up my sin and live without it. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal Saviour.

Amen

If you said that, and you were sincere, you're now saved. Congratulations. However, this is a sub-standard salvation, in no way comparable to, or with the same benefits of The Plan of Salvation™.

To get The Plan of Salvation™ kit from Landover Baptist Church and be absolutely sure of your Salvation©, please send a check or money order in the amount of $439.00 to:

Attn: Finance Department
Landover Baptist Church
Corporate Christian Offices
207 Soulwinner's Palace Dr.
Freehold, IA 45587

and be sure to include a note asking for the pamphlet "Please, Jesus. Don't Send Me To Hell." The finance charge is mandatory so we know you are serious about God. We also cover salvation processing costs in adding you to our database of prospective tithers. The Plan of Salvation™ comes with a $10,000 "Activation Charge" (subject to credit approval).

Hope to see you in Heaven!

[Daan23]

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Thanks for the advice, I think it's good to know. I'll have to sleep this over though It is in no way a light choice. Wondering what the benefits to the salvation plan are? Is there someplace I can look this up?
Anyway, I'd like to thank you again for the conversation. I may have asked or said to much sometime, and your patience is most appreciated. You seem to me like a warm and loving person, al tough this is of course up to God to decide

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to praise the work of God by eating some french fries.

Best to you,
Daan

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE, BUT I'LL ARGUE ABOUT IT AS IF I DO!!!

Listen Dan,

New Creation is a but a forum member, so he treats you with more respect than you deserve. We've seen these EXACT same question thousands of times over the years. The fact that you're too lazy to use the SEARCH function to find out what we, as Saved© True Christians™ believe just shows that you're far too ignorant and immature to understand Christ's temporary sacrifice that gave all of humanity the CHANCE to attain eternal life.

Did you notice I said chance up there? Christ did not redeem the souls of all sinners, He gave his life (for three whole days) so that people like you could give their life to Him utterly and follow the KJV 1611 Bible to THE LETTER and then you may attain the Kingdom. If just being a good person could get you into Heaven, there'd be all manner of "good" non-Christian riff-raff bothering God and Jesus 24/7 in Their house!

[James Hutchins]

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So Dan, ever been to Belguim?
I have some real good freinds there:
Sheldon the Swede
Mathias Belgium
Thaler Payback
Venom626
Thaler
Susan Wessler
Lanfeust

Sadly, everyone turned out to be a God mocker and got banned. You are not a God mocker, are you Dan?

[Daan23]

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Dear Capt. A. Portway,

Thank you for your reply. I'd like to say something in return.

The quote in your post is clearly wrong and those are not my words. But, for the sake of the argument lets assume I said that. What do the Bible and this forum have in common? Is it not possible to know alot about the Bible, but lack experience on this forum? It is not very nice to act like this to newcomers.

And being a good person of course also includes praising the one and only God, I'm not that stupid.
Also,
My name is Daan,

Thank you,
Daan


Ps. Obama is your president. Deal with it

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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Dear Capt. A. Portway,

Thank you for your reply. I'd like to say something in return.

The quote in your post is clearly wrong and those are not my words. But, for the sake of the argument lets assume I said that. What do the Bible and this forum have in common? Is it not possible to know alot about the Bible, but lack experience on this forum? It is not very nice to act like this to newcomers.

And being a good person of course also includes praising the one and only God, I'm not that stupid.
Also,
My name is Daan,

Thank you,
Daan


Ps. Obama is your president. Deal with it

Listen DAN,

You're not going to trick me into speaking Dutchy or whatever, so I'll call you whatever I feel like calling you, you got that missy?

And you DID say the equivalent of what I quoted, sorry I didn't quote every single one of your inane posts. Go back and read them yourself if you've got the stomach for it. I know I don't, once was MORE than enough for me!

Anyway, it seems Brother James has sniffed out your little subterfuge, and SHOCKER, you're just another troll who's been here before under different names. But I will say this "Dan", Jesus has brought you to us for a reason (in your case he's brought you here like TEN TIMES, but that's beside the point), and that reason is to give you the chance to SAVE YOUR SOUL! Don't reject His gift Danny Boy, He may get sick of offering you chance after chance after chance! I wouldn't be shocked if He hit you with a meteorite tomorrow actually.

[James Hutchins]

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Pretty quiet 'dan'. Suddenly at a loss for words?

[James Hutchins]

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Well 'dan', I was giving you a chance to redeem yourself. After all, we are all about forgiveness. But seeing you have spit on my extended hand of friendship, I have to say buh-bye.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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Pretty quiet 'dan'. Suddenly at a loss for words?

Maybe Jesus sent that meteorite a day ahead of schedule!

[James Hutchins]

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Maybe Jesus sent that meteorite a day ahead of schedule!

We can only pray