[Pastor Ezekiel]

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God hates sinners. Thats why He tosses their sinning butts into Hellfire.
Duh. Get right with Jesus or you'll find out you can believe that! Do you really want to cross a Guy who destroyed whole cities and armies like it was brushing crumbs off a table?

Can I get an AMEN on this?!

[Deaner]

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Amen.

[Moonlight Whore]

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So what does your alcoholism have to do with God?

And what do you mean by "that's what I think anyway"? Do you black out every time you drink?

Captain, I was simply using the drinking as an example.

And when I said "that's what I think anyway" I meant that's how I saw it. I may see things differently than you do.

What in the Bible makes you think Esau was not faithful to God?

What did he do?

He plotted to kill his brother out of pure anger is one thing. Haven't I read it properly?

Shit; is Princess gone? Anybody else want a drink?

I got called away suddenly. I'm really, really deeply sorry if I worried you, I'm still here.

[Deaner]

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And when I said "that's what I think anyway" I meant that's how I saw it. I may see things differently than you do.

When you see things "differently"... are you usually drunk??

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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He plotted to kill his brother out of pure anger is one thing. Haven't I read it properly?

But this was after Jacob first took advantage of him, then stole from him and disrespected their father by lying to him . . . and Esau was not angry with Jacob until after God's favored one, Jacob, had committed all these sins against Esau and Isaac.

So how was Jacob faithful to God? He considered sins and committed them; Esau considered a sin, but did not commit it.

Matthew 21:28-31

28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

[Moonlight Whore]

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When you see things "differently"... are you usually drunk??

I don't drink! I was merely using the subject of drinking as an example.

And I meant by "differently" was my perseptive.

But this was after Jacob first took advantage of him, then stole from him and disrespected their father by lying to him . . . and Esau was not angry with Jacob until after God's favored one, Jacob, had committed all these sins against Esau and Isaac.

So how was Jacob faithful to God? He considered sins and committed them; Esau considered a sin, but did not commit it.

Matthew 21:28-31

I suppose Jacob wasn't. I need to look at the story more.

[Moonlight Whore]

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But this was after Jacob first took advantage of him, then stole from him and disrespected their father by lying to him . . . and Esau was not angry with Jacob until after God's favored one, Jacob, had committed all these sins against Esau and Isaac.

So how was Jacob faithful to God? He considered sins and committed them; Esau considered a sin, but did not commit it.

Matthew 21:28-31

No, he wasn't faithful to start with, but God saw that he had potential.
Esau was faithful but he didn't need God the same way Jacob did.

I thought for a moment if the roles were reversed. Esau could simply defend himself against his brother where as Jacob couldn't. I think God favored Jacob because he needed God more than Esau did?
Comments anyone?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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No, he wasn't faithful to start with, but God saw that he had potential.
Esau was faithful but he didn't need God the same way Jacob did.

I thought for a moment if the roles were reversed. Esau could simply defend himself against his brother where as Jacob couldn't. I think God favored Jacob because he needed God more than Esau did?
Comments anyone?

So you posit that God rewards weak-willed sinners and conspirators who would otherwise be Hellbound by making them wealthy, and punishes those loyal to Him by allowing them to be deceived (Isaac) and taken advantage of (Esau).

Interesting. It does explain Barack Obama.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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No, he wasn't faithful to start with, but God saw that he had potential.
Esau was faithful but he didn't need God the same way Jacob did. z

I thought for a moment if the roles were reversed. Esau cearnould simply defend himself against his brother where as Jacob couldn't. I think God favored Jacob because he needed God more than Esau did?
Comments anyone?

Oooh! Interesting interpretation! I like this thread!

So...God knew that Jacob would be a thief and a liar and so chose to support him and make him one of most important people in the world - the Father of the Twelve Tribes of Israel? God knew Esau would always be a good person... but that doesn't matter, because we cannot earn God's Love. It's almost like God was rooting for the underdog, but in a mysterious way because it's the moral underdog, the one who would seem to us today to be the villain of the story, rewarded for treachery and deviancy. Oh the LORD works in mysterious ways!

[Moonlight Whore]

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So you posit that God rewards weak-willed sinners and conspirators who would otherwise be Hellbound by making them wealthy, and punishes those loyal to Him by allowing them to be deceived (Isaac) and taken advantage of (Esau).

Interesting. It does explain Barack Obama.

I just saw it as Jacob was favored because he needed God more. But when you put it that way...

I'm totally confused

I thought God rewards those loyal to him and punishes those who aren't. Can somebody clear this up for me please.

[Moonlight Whore]

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Oooh! Interesting interpretation! I like this thread!

So...God knew that Jacob would be a thief and a liaearnr and so chose to support him and make him one of most important people in the world - the Father of the Twelve Tribes of Israel? God knew Esau would always be a good person... but that doesn't matter, because we cannot earn God's Love. It's almost like God was rooting for the underdog, but in a mysterious way because it's the moral underdog, the one who would seem to us today to be the villain of the story, rewarded for treachery and deviancy. Oh the LORD works in mysterious ways!

I'm learning a lot from you guys, thank you for explaining that.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I'm learning a lot from you guys, thank you for explaining that.

Oh please, friend, you haven't learned anything from me. Far be it from me to try and teach. (1st Timothy 2:12 )



In fact, I fear I have inadvertently stumbled and violated God's will for me (1st Timothy 2:11-12)! Rev. M. Rodimer, Pastor Ezekiel, and all the other pastors here, I humbly confess my horrible pride for having given the appearance of teaching! I am so sorry! I must run now to my husband for proper discipline and will immediately submit myself to the Godly authorities of the church!

I am SO SORRY!!

Please, PLEASE forgive me!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I just saw it as Jacob was favored because he needed God more. But when you put it that way...

I'm totally confused

I thought God rewards those loyal to him and punishes those who aren't. Can somebody clear this up for me please.

God rewards those whom He wishes to reward, and punishes those whom He wishes to punish.

Are you unfamiliar with the story of Job, who walked perfectly in God's Law, so God let Satan kill off his livestock, and his slaves, and even his wife and children, and then smite him with boils, just so He could show Satan that Job would never deny Him?

[Moonlight Whore]

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Oh please, friend, you haven't learned anything from me. Far be it from me to try and teach. (1st Timothy 2:12 )



In fact, I fear I have inadvertently stumbled and violated God's will for me (1st Timothy 2:11-12)! Rev. M. Rodimer, Pastor Ezekiel, and all the other pastors here, I humbly confess my horrible pride for having given the appearance of teaching! I am so sorry! I must run now to my husband for proper discipline and will immediately submit myself to the Godly authorities of the church!

I am SO SORRY!!

Please, PLEASE forgive me!

Pastor's I'm sorry but I have to leave these forums now. I can't let my stupidity and insolence let this occur again.

I'm sorry.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Pastor's I'm sorry but I have to leave these forums now. I can't let my stupidity and insolence let this occur again.

I'm sorry.

Oh, no! You can make mistakes, that's quite all right. As long as you learn from them, that's what matters!

I don't wish to embarrass her, but back when she was first discovering Jesus, Mrs. Etheldreda made many a faux pas! Why, she even thought not only that Job had sinned, but then actually suggested that somehow the new wife and children God gave him (after allowing Satan to slaughter the old ones) were not as satisfactory to Job, since wives and children aren't replaceable objects!

Really, I should let her choose the stories to share. Some are rather humiliating. That was just a tame one.