[PasstionateAgnostic]

Re: Scary

If we were going to discuss Jesus, certainly.

If you were going to try to convert me to perversions, then no. If you just wanted to be friends, then no. We are commanded by God to remain separate from the heathens.

Thank you again for the no nonsense answer. I respect your desire to separate yourself from 'heathens' and am frankly glad for that.

James, thank you also for taking the time and effort to respond. Being judged and lost is nothing new to me and ceased bothering me long ago. Thankfully I'm the only one who has to live inside my head. I feel at peace with my nature. As for your analogy about the fireworks, you're right, it would be silly to face such an astronomically disproportionate punishment for moments of pleasure. If I did believe in a specific god, it seems like he'd be a bit more understanding. That's a whole different topic though.

Again, thanks for your time

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them

That is all very well for you! But if you loved your childs you would have already told her the dangers of sin and Hell and anal rape.

When my young, fresh faced, naive, clean limbed young Nephew comes round to watch DVDs and have sweets I always impress upon him exactly how people go to Hell

Rest assured he knows all about avoiding sin, Hell and being anally raped by a drooling pervert queer in a nameless toilet!

Could a guardian of the young do any more?

YIC

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

Friend, you really are clueless. Tell me, how did you choose to be against God when you know nothing about Him?
See friend, I know a lot aof gay people, having traveled extensively all over the world. Some of the best parties I have ever been to were hoted by homersexuals. Some of the best singers I have heard were gay. I have never met a single mean one in my life. However God tells us if we want to go to Heaven, we have to follow His rules, God tells us being gay is an abomination.
Tell me this friend, do you enjoy setting off a bottle rocket on the 4th of July? Do you know it is illegal in many parts of the US of A? Do you think it is worth beign branded a criminal, for all of eternity, for a moments fun? Of course not! You chose not to do it. Just like what gays should do. They should chose not to have anal sex with each other.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Scary

Fair enough and thank you for the direct response. I consider myself fairly warned. Where does that leave us if we met in person? If I were gay or Muslim or a woman could we have a cordial dinner? Another of the badges I've seen on profiles is for punching 'queers.' I'm not gay, Muslim, or female fyi

If we were going to discuss Jesus, certainly.

If you were going to try to convert me to perversions, then no. If you just wanted to be friends, then no. We are commanded by God to remain separate from the heathens.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

Re: Scary

Golden rule?

If someone saw me driving at 90 MPH down the road, toward a washed-out bridge, I'd want him to yell to me that the bridge was out.

Just the same, if I were headed toward an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire, I'd want someone to warn me.

So I warn others.

Fair enough and thank you for the direct response. I consider myself fairly warned. Where does that leave us if we met in person? If I were gay or Muslim or a woman could we have a cordial dinner? Another of the badges I've seen on profiles is for punching 'queers.' I'm not gay, Muslim, or female fyi

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

I never said your prents were nut jobs. I am sorry for you if they were though that explains your closed mindedness.
Friend, the Bible is a Book chock full of Golden Rules. There is not just one.
If you think you are a good parent, why do you think it is? Could it be that your own parents cared enough to get involved in your life? Could you imagine how fulfilled you could be if you really knew about Jesus?
I have little doubt your daughter is one of those 'EMOs'. We are all seeing the horrifying warning signs.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Scary

My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

Golden rule?

If someone saw me driving at 90 MPH down the road, toward a washed-out bridge, I'd want him to yell to me that the bridge was out.

Just the same, if I were headed toward an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire, I'd want someone to warn me.

So I warn others.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

Re: Scary

My mistakes will be my own, and I fully expect to pay the consequences for them. I started this post with a question about the golden rule and it feels like that question is being sidestepped. James, you say my parents had mental illnesses, but I believe they did the best they could and in many ways, seem to prescribe more to the parenting style that you're trying to advocate than my own.

As for hating; that word seems to be thrown around a lot on this forum. Hate requires passion and I am merely indifferent to Jesus, Buddha, Confucious, Mohammad and other religious figures. I would rather live in a world to accepts rather than divides itself.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

Well friend, I know you think your words are mighty and noble but they reek of putrid indifference.
My own children are allowed to only make good choices. I am involved in their lives. I see to it they make no mistakes. It is called participating in their lives.
See the difference friend?

That's something I always find particularly disturbing about the atheist God-mockers.

On the one hand, they say, "I don't think there's evidence for the existence of God, so I don't want people basing laws that affect me on a 'revealed religion'. Oh, and those religions are really destructive and used to control people." And they fight against it.

Then they have kids and abdicate their parental responsibility, saying, "I'm not going to steer my child in any direction, and let her figure things out for herself when she's old enough. And I'll love her just the same even if she's an evangelical Christian and fights to have atheists all deported."

What kind of a parent allows his child to make horribly wrong decisions? When the child is an adult, of course. But I wouldn't let a 5-year-old decide it was OK to drink alcohol or drive a car at her age. Why would I let her decide to worship Allah and have her genitals mutilated and go to Hell?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary

I of course teach her; let her learn by example; let her make mistakes to a degree, but above all teach her consequences. Putting a fork in the light socket has a very real and immediate consequence. I warn her about the danger, can show her pictures, videos, or even burn victims from doing the action, but ultimately I am not physically capable or able to watch her or prevent her from doing something that she is determined to do. One way or another, she will learn. Putting a fork in an electrical socket would not lessen my love for her.

As for the gentleman above who proposes that controlling his children at all times is a greater manifestation of love, I'll politely disagree. I grew up in a very controlling home and have spent years of my adult life coping with the consequences of that. My daughter is incredibly well behaved. I need to discipline her so infrequently that she 1. cries at my disapproval (if I disciplined her frequently, I believe she would be callous) and 2. never repeat the offending action. To clarify, when I say "discipline" I mean put her it time out. I could count the number of times I've spanked her in my life on one hand.

See friend, this is where you are making a massive mistake, again.
God has a rule book, a set of examples. We can follow them and not make the same mistakes or we can ignore His Word and make the same mistakes, over and over and over. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
Living in a environment that is not controlled by God is living in disarray and uncertainty. Living in a house controlled by mad men is insanity. I am sorry to hear your parents had severe mental issues however it is apparent by your hatred of little baby Jesus. You have no idea what is missing from your life and will pay the consequences for your folly when you are sent to Hell.

[PasstionateAgnostic]

Re: Scary

Let me ask you this: if your daughter tried to poke a fork in the power socket would you not chastise her?

Why do you not instruct her how not to go to Hell? Do you hate her and want her to join you in Hell's depraved embrace of anal rape and sorrow?

You so called parents who don't love their childs enough to to stop them going to Hell (for all eternity, mind) make me nauseous.

YIC

I of course teach her; let her learn by example; let her make mistakes to a degree, but above all teach her consequences. Putting a fork in the light socket has a very real and immediate consequence. I warn her about the danger, can show her pictures, videos, or even burn victims from doing the action, but ultimately I am not physically capable or able to watch her or prevent her from doing something that she is determined to do. One way or another, she will learn. Putting a fork in an electrical socket would not lessen my love for her.

As for the gentleman above who proposes that controlling his children at all times is a greater manifestation of love, I'll politely disagree. I grew up in a very controlling home and have spent years of my adult life coping with the consequences of that. My daughter is incredibly well behaved. I need to discipline her so infrequently that she 1. cries at my disapproval (if I disciplined her frequently, I believe she would be callous) and 2. never repeat the offending action. To clarify, when I say "discipline" I mean put her it time out. I could count the number of times I've spanked her in my life on one hand.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

I don't prescribe to follow the bible at all actually. Many of its teachings are in harmony with my own view of this life though. Laurence Niles asked what 'golden rule' I was referring to and I attempted to put it in language you might understand and respect.

and no - this does not involve incest or sexual conduct of any kind. Please, extend a mote of respect in this regards.

It is one thing to espouse what people call radical ideas on a forum, but I am genuinely curious (and concerned) how True Christians in act rather than words. If I might ask, one of your award is titled "Jailed for Jesus;" what was that for?
This is a tangent; I am still curious how respect for others beliefs is expressed in your theology. Using your recipe analogy, even if eggs are a part of the recipe, its a vital one and would not be the same without.

All very simple friend. We follow the KJV Bible. Exactly as God approved it. Every part. No deviation. No exceptions. No interpretations. If God tells us something is good, it is, if He tells us something is bad, it is bad. Who are we to second guess the creator?
Some find following Gods Word to be difficult but isn't achieving your finest dreams worth a little effort?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

The only question I have is where the golden rule fits in to your views?

Christians have only 1 simple rule to live by, it's called KJV 1611. Starts from Genesis and ends to Revelations. Very simple.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

I allow her to make her own choices and enable her to be who she wants to be. I'll respect her choices no matter where they take her...

What if she doesn't know about cars? Would you still let her play in traffic?

Why do you hate your daughter so much?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Scary - I do not Give a Flying Crap About Anything Except Me!

I allow her to make her own choices and enable her to be who she wants to be. I'll respect her choices no matter where they take her. I believe in unconditional love. Family is the the easiest to manifest this love in its truest form.

Let me ask you this: if your daughter tried to poke a fork in the power socket would you not chastise her?

Why do you not instruct her how not to go to Hell? Do you hate her and want her to join you in Hell's depraved embrace of anal rape and sorrow?

You so called parents who don't love their childs enough to to stop them going to Hell (for all eternity, mind) make me nauseous.

YIC