[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

Well, aren't you becoming born again again? How does it feel? Clobbering sinners over the head with the Bible.. It's great isn't it? Don't you miss it?

No, I just take the time to make sure I don't let a "gotcha" moment get the best of me like Bob did. This is a common mistake people make,they gab the first thing they see and run with it. Don't forget,you all are my betters. Shouldn't this come through in you posts, as well your knowledge of the Bible.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello Everybody

No more or less than yours. Are you saying that you religion has no guilt or blood on it's hands?

Once again you come back to "guilt". What has that to do with the rationality of a belief?

I, for one, do not respect lies. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, homeopathy, etc. are all lies which lead to damnation and death. I do not respect any of them.

You do not have to believe in any religion to be a moral person.

Yet you are not a moral person because you have no religion.

How do you explain Paul Ryan's admiration towards Ayn Rand who an atheist if she didn't have morals?

He admires her economic philosophy and her writing abilities. That doesn't mean he considers her a role model.

I can admire Arnold Schwarzennegger's physique without thinking he's a role model for a good marriage, can't I?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello Everybody

Thank you for this honest answer, because the last infraction I got was given due to one of those sins. He knows who I'm talking about, and what I'm talking about. So his actions in my opinion has imbrued the concept of True Christians being perfect.

Yet they are. It's everywhere in the Bible. Are you trying to say God's perfect Word is somehow self-contradictory? I should give you an infraction for that.
From my sermon on this subject.


Here God tells Abraham that perfection is achievable.

Genesis 17:1 I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

I can hear some panties getting into a twist over these scriptures. Perhaps you think, that's Old Testament. The Bible says, "for all have sinned." That was prior to our Salvation. I would like to draw your attention to:

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

How could we not be perfect if Jesus himself admonishes us to be perfect?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In the Book of Luke, Jesus tells us that in becoming perfect, we are like God.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

In many of the Epistles, the authors tell us that we are perfect and can be "unblameable in holiness," like our Master Who is in Heaven.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Philippians 3:15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

And most importantly,

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn good knowing I am PERFECT without sin or blemish. I can't wait until we sit on the right hand of God himself and judge the world come rapture time, my perfect brothers and sisters.

No one was perfect except Jesus!

Wrong! I wanted to add a list of a few perfect people in the Bible besides Jesus for those you who don't believe there was anyone else who was ever perfect.

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

God speaking to Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

David speaking to God.

Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.

And

2 Samuel 22:22-24 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.
I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.

Perhaps you don't think the New Testament word rendered as perfect actually means perfect.

Please see Romans 12:2.
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God.

Does that mean God's will is "mature?" Of course not. It's the same Greek word.

See Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

I'm the sinner, how is it that he is above me but I know the Bible better than he?

You don't. Reverend Rodimer knows his Bible quite well.

It all depends on if you consider yourself as being part of the Protestant churches.

Clearly, we don't except when counting how many people believe in Jesus and then we include everyone.

That is not what Paul Ryan says and think. Are you saying that Ryan is not of the church?

It's a sermon I have been thinking about for a long time. Can a person follow an atheist who says her philosophy is contradictory to Christianity and still call himself a Christian?

I'm thinking no.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

Of course they are.

Thank you for this honest answer, because the last infraction I got was given due to one of those sins. He knows who I'm talking about, and what I'm talking about. So his actions in my opinion has imbrued the concept of True Christians being perfect.

I'm the sinner, how is it that he is above me but I know the Bible better than he?

I am not aware of any wars Baptists have started. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

It all depends on if you consider yourself as being part of the Protestant churches.

Ayn Rand had no morals. The Lord has been tugging on my heart strings for a while about this. Christians need to choose between her or Jesus.

That is not what Paul Ryan says and think. Are you saying that Ryan is not of the church?

[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

Oh good, then you have no problem with Tomato Staking children as a form of character formation.

I had strict parents, you were rarely called twice, and the only thing that came out of your mouth was yes mam/sir and no mam/sir. And yes, we got the switch. But we were not beaten, we didn't have broken bones or burn marks on our legs. I believe in spanking, the belt, and punishment, but that is where it ends with me.

And I get compliments on my kids behavior all the time. Child discipline is need but it can go too far, there are plenty of abused kids to prove it.



Well that's nice, of course, but it would be nice to actually be polite as well. By watching your tone and suppressing your argumentative habits, you would be much more civil.

To achieve this i have to say yes to what ever is put before me. And the tone you hear maybe my reaction to a post that I consider rude or insulting. If you mean that particular one to you, you have a point and I apologize for that.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello Everybody

Would you call being spiteful, acting out of malice, or being too prideful as sin?

Of course they are.

No more or less than yours. Are you saying that you religion has no guilt or blood on it's hands?

I am not aware of any wars Baptists have started. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Because I respect you and your religion. I say again, you have a member that says that if they get sick, they will pray to get better. What is the difference? I makes me mad when I hear that a child has to die because their religion forbids any kind of medical treatment, and I guess that is the real test of faith.

I'm sorry that you don't believe in God's promises to us in the New Testament. I'll pray for you.

James 5:13-15
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

You do not have to believe in any religion to be a moral person. How do you explain Paul Ryan's admiration towards Ayn Rand who an atheist if she didn't have morals?

Ayn Rand had no morals. The Lord has been tugging on my heart strings for a while about this. Christians need to choose between her or Jesus.

[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

I would never say I have never sinned; but every True Christian™ is without sin. Once washed clean, and having full understanding of the Truth of the Lord's mercies, we are no longer able to sin.

Would you call being spiteful, acting out of malice, or being too prideful as sin?

I don't have a wife, thank you, but if I did I would engage in domestic discipline. That's not "beating your wife".

I didn't mean you personally,it was the wrong use of the word.

Google "Christian domestic discipline" and learn something.

Thank you for this information. I found this on one site.

The application and practise of DD in each marriage is as unique as the individuals who make up that marriage. There is no "One Ring of Power" in the Domestic Discipline world, to which all DD couples must bow; no singular path to "true DD enlightenment". What works well for one DD couple may not be a good fit for another marriage. Therefore, you may see many different suggestions espoused on this site and elsewhere.

Inside this paragraph lay the means for a husband to do what my co-worker did. Also he failed many of the criteria for the husband. You members on here assuming that he upheld his part of the bargain, and that he had here consent. I saw no where,in any of the sites I entered said that closing your wife's eye, and breaking her jaw was CDD.

But he used it as his defense and other Christians agreed to a certain extent. it's obvious I didn't agree with any of it.

Why would you respect Catholicism? Why would you respect Muslims? Are their beliefs not irrational?

No more or less than yours. Are you saying that you religion has no guilt or blood on it's hands?

Why would you respect people who believe in homeopathy, which has been proven through experiments to be utterly worthless, and who allow their children to suffer needless illness because of their irrational belief?

Because I respect you and your religion. I say again, you have a member that says that if they get sick, they will pray to get better. What is the difference? I makes me mad when I hear that a child has to die because their religion forbids any kind of medical treatment, and I guess that is the real test of faith.

This is because you, as an atheist, have no moral compass and can't comprehend that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

You do not have to believe in any religion to be a moral person. How do you explain Paul Ryan's admiration towards Ayn Rand who an atheist if she didn't have morals?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello Everybody

So are you saying that you have never gotten sick or went to the doctor? Also,why are you using scripture to speak for you? This implies that you would also let your children suffer.

If God wants our children to be sick and to suffer then we should all pray for deliverance.

Even secular courts sometimes recognise that the power of the Lord is the one that should be heeded.

Two parents have avoided jail after admitting they let their son, 16, die in horrible agony because they chose to 'pray away' his burst appendix and refused to take him to the hospital.Russel and Brandi Bellew, age 39 and 36, of Creswell, Oregon, pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide on Tuesday and were sentenced to five years probation after reaching a plea deal with prosecutors.*The couple, who had seven children before Austin Sprout's death, are members of the General Assembly and the Church of the First Born in nearby Pleasant Hill, which shuns modern medicine and teaches parishioners that faith healing and prayer will cure disease.

The holy spirit was at work to see that the court knew their actions were from God. GLORY!

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello Everybody

Yes he did. You should read a little further in to make sure you are right before showing your lack of knowledge about the Bible.

Please don't take credit away from Jesus.

Well, aren't you becoming born again again? How does it feel? Clobbering sinners over the head with the Bible.. It's great isn't it? Don't you miss it?

To answer your question, the pericope adulterae was not in the earliest manuscripts of the New Testament. It was likely a 5th century addition.

Also the word for writing is the same as scribbling or doodling in the Greek there.

Yours in Christ's perfect logos,
Levi Jones

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello Everybody

Why is this idiot asking us if a man is wrong for disciplining his property? What's it to us how a man gets his help meet to perform properly? Does he expect us to be ashamed of our Lord?

[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

Dear, Sweet, Idiot,



I quoted John 8:7. You quoted John 8:7. Yours is different (wrong!) because you used the wrong version of the Bible.

King James Version only, rube.

Yours in His Snickering Behind Your Back,
bab

Just admit you gave me an infraction for no good reason and be done with it. Better yet,give yourself one for not knowing your Bible. Below is the same text from the same version.

Notice how it says "Jesus", and not "John". So again,it was Jesus that said it,not John.


John 8 (King James Version)


John 8
King James Version (KJV)
8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello Everybody

I get this and understand it. I have no problem with you believing what you believe.

Oh good, then you have no problem with Tomato Staking children as a form of character formation.

With that being said,I still think civility should be the high ground that is taken in this type of discourse. I don't say I don't cuss, I just don't cuss on any board,it's a standard I have set for myself.

Well that's nice, of course, but it would be nice to actually be polite as well. By watching your tone and suppressing your argumentative habits, you would be much more civil.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello Everybody

I take it you are talking about Psalms 119:1-4? I take this to mean that you are without sin. Pride is a sin along with 6 others. Do you think you are without sin? But let me direct you to Corinthians 13:1, and ask if you can show supporting scripture to show that you are perfect and without sin.

No. I'm talking about 1 John 3: 6-9.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I would never say I have never sinned; but every True Christian(tm) is without sin. Once washed clean, and having full understanding of the Truth of the Lord's mercies, we are no longer able to sin.

Respected,yes, agree with it,no. I respect your religion but disagree with beating your wife for her disobedience, or things that are out of her control. I also disagreed with the Salem Witch Hunts,but I respect your religion. I disagreed with the Catholic church in their treatment of Galileo,but I respect the religion.

I don't have a wife, thank you, but if I did I would engage in domestic discipline. That's not "beating your wife".

Google "Christian domestic discipline" and learn something.

Why would you respect Catholicism? Why would you respect Muslims? Are their beliefs not irrational?

I don't believe in it but I respect the people that do. It is no different than when a member on here said that they will pray to God to heal them of their illness. And that running to the doctor promote weakness and sympathy

Why would you respect people who believe in homeopathy, which has been proven through experiments to be utterly worthless, and who allow their children to suffer needless illness because of their irrational belief?

This question you have asked I have answered ad-nauseum.

No. You danced around it ad nauseam. You only just now actually answered it: You respect ridiculous, irrational, and hateful beliefs.

This is because you, as an atheist, have no moral compass and can't comprehend that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

Atheist is a noun,it's also the beginning of this sentence. I walked away from the church because man was making up his own rules,what make you think I would follow his? Anybody can make a rule.

Yes, "atheist" is a noun. And it's appropriately capitalized at the beginning of a sentence or in a title.

Nobody gets to make up his own rules of American English grammar. If we could, then I could say that "the slow black cat crawled under the hyperactive green toad" and you might understand me to say "the quick red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog."

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello Everybody

So are you saying that you have never gotten sick or went to the doctor? Also,why are you using scripture to speak for you? This implies that you would also let your children suffer.

Not since I've been Saved!

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[Seventy]

Re: Hello Everybody

Irrelevant though it is, True Christians™ are without sin. You should know this, since you seem to have cracked a Bible once or twice.

I take it you are talking about Psalms 119:1-4? I take this to mean that you are without sin. Pride is a sin along with 6 others. Do you think you are without sin? But let me direct you to Corinthians 13:1, and ask if you can show supporting scripture to show that you are perfect and without sin.

So then you do believe that the Muslim belief in honor killing their daughters should be respected, right?

Respected,yes, agree with it,no. I respect your religion but disagree with beating your wife for her disobedience, or things that are out of her control. I also disagreed with the Salem Witch Hunts,but I respect your religion. I disagreed with the Catholic church in their treatment of Galileo,but I respect the religion.

And also that the belief that homeopathy is a valid treatment for cancer, that should likewise be respected?

I don't believe in it but I respect the people that do. It is no different than when a member on here said that they will pray to God to heal them of their illness. And that running to the doctor promote weakness and sympathy

Well what if that illness is life threatening?

Yes or no. Please answer, instead of trying to redirect the conversation.

This question you have asked I have answered ad-nauseum.

Cursed is not an atheist, and he knows not to capitalize "atheist".

You are correct,I got him mixed up with the other poster. And I have seen this behavior many times,it's a way of showing contempt. But does this really have any effect?

Atheist is a noun,it's also the beginning of this sentence. I walked away from the church because man was making up his own rules,what make you think I would follow his? Anybody can make a rule.