[NOTBornAgainBert]

Re: Newb here

And yes, I've used your search feature. It has provided me with only one possible refutation: Jesus meant these effects to last only for a little while. But he only says that these signs are to accompany believers, nothing of a time limit, no expiration date. Basing it off of what the bible says, there is nothing suggesting true believers cannot drink poison and live. They were only designated to follow those that believe.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Newb here

And yes, I've used your search feature. It has provided me with only one possible refutation: Jesus meant these effects to last only for a little while. But he only says that these signs are to accompany believers, nothing of a time limit, no expiration date. Basing it off of what the bible says, there is nothing suggesting true believers cannot drink poison and live. They were only designated to follow those that believe.

Thanks for using the Search function. Have you seen any point where we are commanded to drink poison? No. Jesus was describing how we are protected, not telling us to test Him.

Now try Deuteronomy 6:16, which Jesus repeats in Matthew 4:7 and Luke 4:12.

You atheists are tiresome.

[NOTBornAgainBert]

Re: Newb here

A. I'm not an atheist, just a Christian who isn't afraid to ask questions.
B. If I poisoned you, do you think you would die? It would be me testing it, not you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Newb here

A. I'm not an atheist, just a Christian who isn't afraid to ask questions.
B. If I poisoned you, do you think you would die? It would be me testing it, not you.

You're a Christian, who threatens to poison people, and calls God "it", and declares the Bible unreliable.

OK, "Christian", if the Bible is so unreliable, how do you know any part of it is true? Aren't you just picking and choosing the bits you like and tossing the rest away, with no idea other than your own modern secular humanist "values" to decide what you want to believe is true and what you don't want to believe?

If you're going to make up your own religion, why not start from scratch instead of pretending to follow a religion you openly reject?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Newb here

He probably believes in evilution, too.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Newb here

He probably believes in evilution, too.

Most Jesus-haters do.

[NOTBornAgainBert]

Re: Newb here

And this is what I get when I ask questions. More inane drivel as ad hominems amassed into one irrelevant and laughable argument. I do not intend to poison you, as I believe not in murder nor do I wish for jail time, nor do I know where you live (I'm not going to bother looking it up). It's hypothetical.

And yes, frankly I do believe in evolution. Why, you may ask? Because concerning the topic of biology, I trust biologists more than theologians. Just as I believe in global warming because I trust climatologists over politicians. Insult me all you want, but you cannot win an argument through personal assault. Did you ever think that calling me an atheist does not strengthen your argument? It is not offensive to me either. I am not an atheist but I do not believe that atheists are evil and have a bad connotation.

The plethora of offensive and ignorant material on this website astounds me as well. I've seen threads on everything from racial superiority (even though I can easily explain why your skin is a different color than someone's from Africa), to the world being flat, to down-syndrome being a life choice, to the water cycle being dictated by God, to God hating every country but America. This is the kind of belief that starts war, genocide, and overall discrimination if the believers are willing to take action and gain enough support.

Yes I believe that the Earth is round and is more than 6000 years old. I believe that ancient single-celled organisms slowly evolved into invertebrates and fish and amphibians and reptiles and small animals and birds, eventually leading to Ardipithecus raminus and Australopithecus and Homo habilis and erectus and sapien because there is evidence outside the realm of a single book.

And no, I don't believe any religion is superior to another. Christians believe that there were many prophets and that Jesus was the son of God (depending on the denomination) and Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and so was Muhammad. This does not sicken me. There are as many sick verses in the Bible as the Quran, but interpretation dictates whether these will be translated to real life.

You all believe that anyone not believing in Jesus and the Bible literally cannot enter heaven? What about children born in Saudi Arabia? What if they are never given the chance to convert? What if they die before they even know Chrisianity exists. I'm sorry, but it is the epitome of arrogance to believe that your religion is superior to all others and that you can tell others they will burn in a fiery lake for eternity.

If God loves hatred, discrimination, and ignorance, then you all are guaranteed access to heaven. However I doubt that an all-powerful and all-loving god would support such acts of hatred, serving only to divide his children through violence.

If you were born in Saudi Arabia, I guarantee you would be a Muslim. If you were born in eastern Tibet, there's no doubt in my mind that you would be a Buddhist. If you were Roman you would almost surely be Catholic. Religion is almost always an inherited cycle of indoctrination; rarely do parents offer children opportunity to choose their own belief. This is what creates hatred, this cultural divide created by false assumptions of superiority inherited at birth. There are Muslims who think just as you do, as well as Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Jews, Catholics, etc. Even the poor Wiccan woman you all attacked has a belief system no less legitimate than yours.

Open your minds, read some of the books written during the Enlightenment or modern books, learn what true evidence and logical thought process necessitates, and stop living in the Middle Ages. You cannot expect an all-powerful god to need 6 days to create a planet. You cannot expect an omnipotent and loving god to wish the stonings of those who work on Sundays. Until you develop an immunity to poison, show evidence of a 6000 year old earth, consistently heal the sick more effectively than medicine, and explain velociraptor skeletons with something other than the devils trickery ("oh yes, let me place this velociraptor tooth here to convince humans of evolution so they go to hell and renounce God") no one with a logical mind will take you seriously. So have fun angrily blogging about atheists and the inferior nature of other religions and races and the width of the Earth and God's part in the water cycle. The rest of the world will progress without you.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Newb here

Translation: I hate Jesus.

We knew that.

If you are uncomfortable with the full force of God's Majesty as eloquently and impeccably laid out in the KJV Bible, I suggest you visit one of your monkey-worshiping sites and let them all know how you trolled us so successfully.

Begone demon.

YiC,

Zech

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Newb here

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

[NOTBornAgainBert]

Re: Newb here

We knew that.

If you are uncomfortable with the full force of God's Majesty as eloquently and impeccably laid out in the KJV Bible, I suggest you visit one of your monkey-worshiping sites and let them all know how you trolled us so successfully.

Begone demon.

YiC,

Zech

I do not hate Jesus. I think he was a great man who had teachings of deep value and moral enlightenment. But I will take your offer to leave. And I do not worship monkeys. You misrepresent evolution, which is the only way you'll ever hope to argue it. I only worship Morgan Freeman. Get your facts straight.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Newb here

I do not hate Jesus. I think he was a great man who had teachings of deep value and moral enlightenment. But I will take your offer to leave. And I do not worship monkeys. You misrepresent evolution, which is the only way you'll ever hope to argue it. I only worship Morgan Freeman. Get your facts straight.

I accept the terms of your surrender.



YiC,

Zech

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Newb here

I do not hate Jesus. I think he was a great man who had teachings of deep value and moral enlightenment. But I will take your offer to leave. And I do not worship monkeys. You misrepresent evolution, which is the only way you'll ever hope to argue it. I only worship Morgan Freeman. Get your facts straight.

So you're not only a godmocker, but you're a race traitor as well?

GET THEE HENCE!!

[Didymus Much]

Re: Newb here

...However I doubt that an all-powerful and all-loving god would support such acts of hatred...

You're the only one here who thinks such a god exists.

I do not hate Jesus. I think he was a great man who had teachings of deep value and moral enlightenment...

How can you believe He existed yet spurn His offer of eternal life?

[Nathaniel Crump]

Re: Newb here

By the way, Didy, how come you are not saved after more than 4000 posts? Has Jesus decided to spurn you?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Newb here

By the way, Didy, how come you are not saved after more than 4000 posts?...

I'm atheist.

...Has Jesus decided to spurn you?

If there even was a preacher named Jesus (or Yeshua or whatever) back around 30 A.D. in what's now Israel, he's been quite dead for nearly 2000 years, and I think being aware of my existence (let alone spurning me) is rather beyond the capabilities of a pile of worm food and bones.