[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Okay, then, let's settle this different, since I feel like you all just don't want to understand what I say. Try to prove me with FACTS, that love is real.
And what you were saying about panic attacks and stuff- YES, for those persons, who feel it, it IS real. They don't say "hey, its just an imagination anyway", but they feel it for real. And you cannot compare that anyway, since such things are mostly based on horrible experiences that people had in their life.

[Thinks Design]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Okay, then, let's settle this different, since I feel like you all just don't want to understand what I say. Try to prove me with FACTS, that love is real.
And what you were saying about panic attacks and stuff- YES, for those persons, who feel it, it IS real. They don't say "hey, its just an imagination anyway", but they feel it for real. And you cannot compare that anyway, since such things are mostly based on horrible experiences that people had in their life.

Sweety, you just avoiding the question again.

ThinksDesign

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I'm not. Maybe you just need to learn to read correctly. Or maybe you are just horrible in interpreting. Who knows?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Okay, then, let's settle this different, since I feel like you all just don't want to understand what I say. Try to prove me with FACTS, that love is real.
And what you were saying about panic attacks and stuff- YES, for those persons, who feel it, it IS real. They don't say "hey, its just an imagination anyway", but they feel it for real. And you cannot compare that anyway, since such things are mostly based on horrible experiences that people had in their life.

Ha.

As an ex psychologist I can field this one.

Love is a category term for a known set of physiological, cognitive and behavioural responses.

These can be measured. Just like any emotion or mood. What do you think the science of psychology is all about? That you cannot explain love does not mean magic is real

It strikes me that the gay boy and the lezzer are asking questions you can't answer so you evade and answer questions with deflecting questions: stay focused, little miss!

YIC

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

And what you were saying about panic attacks and stuff- YES, for those persons, who feel it, it IS real. They don't say "hey, its just an imagination anyway", but they feel it for real. And you cannot compare that anyway, since such things are mostly based on horrible experiences that people had in their life.

First: feeling you are going to have a heart attack during a panic attack has no bearing on the objective chance of having a heart attack, does it?

Second: Panic attacks are not mostly based on horrible experiences. Please take a look at the wiki entry for Panic attacks.

Do you know the difference between objective and subjective?

[Thinks Design]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I'm not. Maybe you just need to learn to read correctly. Or maybe you are just horrible in interpreting. Who knows?

Yes you are.

You deflected the original question into one about love. Just like you deflected the question about evidence to one of reality.

Don't kid and kidder, sweety.

ThinksDesign

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Yes you are.

You deflected the original question into one about love. Just like you deflected the question about evidence to one of reality.

Don't kid and kidder, sweety.

ThinksDesign

Good grief, I actually agree with you, you Godless lesbien

I guess a stopped clock is right once a day.

YIC

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I guess a stopped clock is right once a day.

You are my favourite dumb ass Christer.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

So if I told you that I had a feeling that the government were using long range EEGs to filch thoughts from my head, you (with your paradigm of using feelings as evidence) would conclude that my feeling is correct?

What about someone having a panic attack who FEELS that they are going to have a heart attack and die? You (with your paradigm of using feelings as evidence) would conclude they were correct?

What you are basically saying is that if something feels true, it is?

Let's take this to an extreme: our feelings define reality.

Based on this a paedophile is doing nothing wrong because his actions FEEL right to him.

Just how old are you? Do you honestly beleive reality conforms to what people beleive? What if two people beleive two different things?

What is the criterion in use to let you decide whether your feeling is correct or if it just a feeling?

I had a feeling I would fail the Emotion and Thinking module last year. But I passed: so my feeling was wrong.

Are you honestly saying every time you have feeling it is correct?

Seriously?

1.No, they won't die, as it is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts, but they can be an important point for our decisions and the way we start to be. What I meant with it, is, that it might not be the reality for all of us, but for HIM it is. He won't say "oh, come on, that's not real".

2. What I say is, for the person who feels it, yes, it IS true. I am saying that the truth and the reality have many faces and every single person is living his/her own reality. For some of us life is a lovey dovey place, for others it's hell.

3. A pedophile is one, when he actually believes, that it is right, what he is doing. Of COURSE this is a horrible thing in our society and noone would tolerate it, but the pedophile himself would say: "What? I don't do anything wrong."

4. I'm 20 years old and no, not what comforts him. Some of us choose to believe, that Jesus Christ is real and I tolerate that. If they think, God exists, he exists for them. Some say, that there is no God and live only by facts and it's fine for them as well. I say, that we are all connected in a circle of life and that there is more than mere logic. And I am fine with it! And if two people believe different things: so what? Many of my friends are atheists and we get along just fine.

5. That is a hard question. First of all, in my religion we say, as long as we don't harm anyone, we can do as we want. And I think this is a good idea. So if you want to believe in Christ or in Jehova or in science, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt anyone else with that. So if you are thinking of killing someone for example, you should think about it twice. And, of course, if the ideas and feelings are based on certain situations of the past. Sometimes it's connected with a traumatic happening.

6. You got that wrong what I said. Imagine a girl, let's say, 15 years old. She thinks, that she is ugly and nobody likes her. That is her feeling about herself and her personal reality, so she will probably keep away from others and won't go much on parties, won't have any self confidence, and so on. With that, noone much talking to her, she will see her feelings confirmed, that nobody likes her. So she kind of makes her own reality with what she thinks about herself. But if someone thinks he is super awesome, he will seem very confident to other people and it will be easier to get in contact with him, so he actually IS kind of successfull, because he trust in himself.

7. What I say is, that there is not ONE truth but many. I don't want to say that ONE person says that what he says is the one and ultimate truth. Reality is a little bit like a diamond- it has many facettes and everyone sees them from another view.

8. Yes.

[Thinks Design]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

1.No, they won't die, as it is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts, but they can be an important point for our decisions and the way we start to be. What I meant with it, is, that it might not be the reality for all of us, but for HIM it is. He won't say "oh, come on, that's not real".

2. What I say is, for the person who feels it, yes, it IS true. I am saying that the truth and the reality have many faces and every single person is living his/her own reality. For some of us life is a lovey dovey place, for others it's hell.

3. A pedophile is one, when he actually believes, that it is right, what he is doing. Of COURSE this is a horrible thing in our society and noone would tolerate it, but the pedophile himself would say: "What? I don't do anything wrong."

4. I'm 20 years old and no, not what comforts him. Some of us choose to believe, that Jesus Christ is real and I tolerate that. If they think, God exists, he exists for them. Some say, that there is no God and live only by facts and it's fine for them as well. I say, that we are all connected in a circle of life and that there is more than mere logic. And I am fine with it! And if two people believe different things: so what? Many of my friends are atheists and we get along just fine.

5. That is a hard question. First of all, in my religion we say, as long as we don't harm anyone, we can do as we want. And I think this is a good idea. So if you want to believe in Christ or in Jehova or in science, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt anyone else with that. So if you are thinking of killing someone for example, you should think about it twice. And, of course, if the ideas and feelings are based on certain situations of the past. Sometimes it's connected with a traumatic happening.

6. You got that wrong what I said. Imagine a girl, let's say, 15 years old. She thinks, that she is ugly and nobody likes her. That is her feeling about herself and her personal reality, so she will probably keep away from others and won't go much on parties, won't have any self confidence, and so on. With that, noone much talking to her, she will see her feelings confirmed, that nobody likes her. So she kind of makes her own reality with what she thinks about herself. But if someone thinks he is super awesome, he will seem very confident to other people and it will be easier to get in contact with him, so he actually IS kind of successfull, because he trust in himself.

7. What I say is, that there is not ONE truth but many. I don't want to say that ONE person says that what he says is the one and ultimate truth. Reality is a little bit like a diamond- it has many facettes and everyone sees them from another view.

8. Yes.

But here is the kicker, sweety.

None of the imagined realities people can have make magic real.

And you still haven't answered the question from FFB about what standard of evidence you use to conclude that magic is actually functional.

Please answer that question.

ThinksDesign

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I know what you want to say. But this is the point, Lady. Our "magic" isn't meant to be functional. The magic we speak of is only for US and only that we feel near to nature and stable. If we do a ritual, it is that we can feel the nature around us and feeling near to the Goddess. The magic we talk about isn't the one you know from movies or stories. So, to answer your question, there is no standart of evidence. The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause.

So, long story short: There is no proof of magic. Everything we do doesn't happen in the common reality, only in our personal reality. Meditation can also be a kind of magic for us, since we are absolutely calm and peaceful.
If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world. You are relaxed and you feel everything a little bit different than before. For you it might not sound very amazing, but for me it makes my everyday look a little bit more positive and that is all. All I seek from that religion is stability and the feeling to be right just where and how I am.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Mike, I am very sad to hear you have chosen to be a whore instead of a decent person. A moment on the lips, an eternity in Hell.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

My name is *Maike, it is differently pronounced than Mike.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

...The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause...

Which is NOT magic.

...If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world...

No, you just replace the world with one created in your imagination psychosis.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I know what you want to say. But this is the point, Lady. Our "magic" isn't meant to be functional. The magic we speak of is only for US and only that we feel near to nature and stable. If we do a ritual, it is that we can feel the nature around us and feeling near to the Goddess. The magic we talk about isn't the one you know from movies or stories. So, to answer your question, there is no standart of evidence. The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause.

So, long story short: There is no proof of magic. Everything we do doesn't happen in the common reality, only in our personal reality. Meditation can also be a kind of magic for us, since we are absolutely calm and peaceful.
If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world. You are relaxed and you feel everything a little bit different than before. For you it might not sound very amazing, but for me it makes my everyday look a little bit more positive and that is all. All I seek from that religion is stability and the feeling to be right just where and how I am.

So you only care about how you feel right this very moment, and not about the future?

Yeah, I have met some people who take "plant products" that are like that. They're commonly referred to as "junkies".