[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Maybe it was a bad example, but I think, if you still didn't get my point, I can't help you with that anymore. I've got nothing more to say about it and maybe it's good if you don't understand me this well, we wiccas don't like too many people around knowing too much about us anyway.

Yup, someone may reveal that you worship demons behind closed doors and what would that do for your deceitful public relations?

However, that is no secret.

For your worship of yourself is to worship demons because you ain't worshipping Jesus, friend.

1 Corinthians

10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Ezekiel
28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God

2 Thessalonians
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And your magic practices(lying wonders) are the actions of the beast.

Revelation
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

No, there is nothing that you can hide from Jesus, absolutely nothing, friend.

Luke
8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

And as it is located in my signature, and reads thusly, "your sin will find you out!"

Numbers
32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.

2 Samuel
12:12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

butthurt? really? Actually you guys are really entertaining and being butthurt is the last thing I am right now.

Of course you're not child, that's why you're stomping your feet and telling us that "we just don't understand".

1st Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

It's funny how you just read what you want to read and not, what I actually wrote. But am tired of repeat myself over and over again.

You believe that Wicca (created by a sick pervert in the mid 20th century) is an ancient religion that is based on nothing more that what you want to believe. What's there not to understand?

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

But your cute stories about me, who I am, how stupid I am, what I believe in, and so on, are so funny, I am literally rolling on the floor laughing.

Huh, I thought it would be difficult to type while rolling around. But what do I know, it's not exactly "lady like" behavior.


Titus 2:3-4 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Just to make sure: You don't know anything about me and your ideas are so far away from the truth, that it really makes me burst out in laughter. But thank you for the funny time! I think I will go have some time in real life now and focus on my work. I'll tell you when am back to have some more fun.

So you don't believe in a made up religion? Are you telling us that you LIED

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

butthurt? really? Actually you guys are really entertaining and being butthurt is the last thing I am right now.

It's funny how you just read what you want to read and not, what I actually wrote. But am tired of repeat myself over and over again.

But your cute stories about me, who I am, how stupid I am, what I believe in, and so on, are so funny, I am literally rolling on the floor laughing. Just to make sure: You don't know anything about me and your ideas are so far away from the truth, that it really makes me burst out in laughter. But thank you for the funny time! I think I will go have some time in real life now and focus on my work. I'll tell you when am back to have some more fun.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

It's never time to grow up

Then you'll be at the mercy of people just a tiny bit more clever than you, and who have much to profit from your willful ignorance.

By the way, it's not because you all think you are so clever or something. In fact, I don't care a little bit about what you think of me. I just tried to explain it to you because I wanted to be nice, but if you don't get it, then not. Not my problem, in fact.

There's nothing to "get." Your belief is made-up hogwash that makes you feel emotionally high, you feel included, special, important. There's no mystery in that, dear. It's called a "soul" and yours is crying out for God.

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I just tried to explain it to you because I wanted to be nice, but if you don't get it, then not. Not my problem, in fact.

Being butt hurt does not change the fact that your 'explanation' shows how intellectually bankrupt you are.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

It's never time to grow up

Lovely, so you want to be a child forever?

I weep for this generation. I hope you're learning Cantonese because they'll be taking over the world in 50 years.

By the way, it's not because you all think you are so clever or something. In fact, I don't care a little bit about what you think of me. I just tried to explain it to you because I wanted to be nice, but if you don't get it, then not. Not my problem, in fact.

It doesn't take much to see that Wicca is about as real as me believing the barn cats keep the sun in their eyes (Egyptian mythology). Well actually, the Egyptian mythology has more behind it, at least it was their way of explaining where the sun went at night and why cats eyes glow. Oh if only they had asked their Israelite slaves, they would have known the truth.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Another Scripture you may want to read...


Deuteronomy 4:14-19 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

I can understand why. When you try to explain something, it exposes your beliefs to be mere foolishness. No one likes to hear their beliefs are silly, and you avoid putting yourself in the circumstance where that is likely. Why not open your eyes to the fact that wiccan beliefs are not based in reality, that what you want is lovely, but doesn't have to be accomplished with childish Faerie-LARPing in the meadows. You can find others who, like you, want to enjoy the world for what it is, who want to drink in all the experiences possible, who want to suck the marrow right out of life. You don't have to keep yourself intellectually and emotionally stunted to do so. Time to grow up, dear.

Some SICKULAR sources!

WARNING PRAY HEAVILY AND PUT ON YOUR ARMOUR OF GOD BEFORE CLICKING!

http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/thetruthaboutwicca/geraldgardner.html

• Wicca is actually a creation of Gerald Gardner who put it together in the middle 1900s using blatant ripoffs of Aleister Crowley, Freemasonry, Egyptian ideologies and Celtic lore.
• "Do what you will, may you harm none." is undeniably Crowley's creation.
• Gardner claimed to be a Master Mason(3rd Degree), yet Masonic records show that he was only an Entered Apprentice Mason(1st Degree Mason)
• Gardner also claimed to have recieved his Doctor of Philosophy in Singapore and a Doctore of Literature in Toulouse but as it turns out these are merely more lies.
• Gardner claimed that he was initiated into the New Forrest Coven in 1939 by some old hag named Dorothy Clutterbuck. This New Forrest Coven was allegedly an ancient religion handed down throughout the generations in secret because of fear of persecution. However, despite attempts by Doreen Valiente, there is no valid proof that any such Dorothy Clutterbuck ever existed much less initiated Gardner into any Coven.
• Gardner made it a law within the coven that when a high priestess reached a certain age she would have to relinquish her position to a younger, more beautiful woman to be intiated into the coven through the Great Rite(I won't mention the details, but the "great rite" involved having intercourse with the priest)
• Alex Sanders, the founder of Alexandrian Wicca, you may be interested to know, who was also originally in Gardner's coven, claimed that his initiation was through his Grandmother(yes through "the great rite")
• even the word "wicca" means "male witch" not "wise woman" as the ignorant masses like to believe

My grandmother was a believer in "little people" (pixies, elves, gnomes). I can tell you that even as close as the turn of the 20th century, people did not believe these things were cute little creatures that "helped" you out. Oh I remember Grandma steaming about fairy rings in the lawn, it was a bad omen and we needed to pray especially hard to ward off these evil creatures. I dismissed her when she gave me what-for because I was grooming pixie braids out of the horses mane. When I was thrown and had to walk about 3 miles home, all the sympathy I got from her was "told you so".

Seths grandmother was the same way. These people are old "Celts" with old Celtic beliefs, so don't tell me that wicca is ancient when it doesn't even mesh with what Celtic people of a hundred years ago believed.


Oh, and some more fun information

Many well known writers claim that the word "Wicca" derives from the Saxon word "Witan". However the word "Witan" was the proto-parliament of old Saxon England. These writers claim that Wicca was practiced in the Celtic lands, particularly the Gaelic lands, where they were called "Wittan". But when one observes the Gaelic language one will find that this is impossible, for the Gaelic language does not have a letter "W". So, of course, the words "Wittan" or "Wicca" could not have been derived from the Gaelic language. The sound of the letter "W" does appear in the Gaelic language, but never at the beginning of a word, such as in the word Samhain that is pronounced as SawhIn. "W" is also neither its own phoneme, but just a allophone of "M" or "B".

Differences between Traditional Celtic religions and Wicca:

2. Traditional Celtic religions are cultural manifestations while Wicca was created by Gerald Gardner in the middle 1900s drawing from Aleister Crowley, Freemasonry, Egyptian ideologies,and Eastern philosophies, as well as Celtic lore.
3. Traditionists hold tightly to their own culture, while Wicca takes freely from various cultures and ideologies.
4. Wiccans focus heavily on the belief that "All goddess are just different faces of the Goddess" or "All gods are just different faces of the God" while Traditional Celtics believe that their deities are individual beings as well as their First Ancestors.
5. In the Celtic religion the Sun and Moon can change gender according to what attribute is being focused on, while Wicca is based on a definite Feminine Moon and Male Sun.
6. Wicca is Neo-Platonic dualism with the God and Goddess as archetypes while the Celtic religion is truly polytheistic, totemistic, animistic, and zoomorphic.
7. They both differ in ethics.
8. Wiccans tend to revolve around ceremony and ritual that can be traced back to Aleister Crowley while Celtics don't put a lot of emphasis on ritual and life itself is a ceremony holding everything as sacred and spiritual.
9. Wiccans first thought is for the individual while a Celtic's first thought is centered around their family and community.

That's from the web page of a certain Celtic person who is very angry that "Wicca" claims to be "ancient Celtic".

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

It's never time to grow up

By the way, it's not because you all think you are so clever or something. In fact, I don't care a little bit about what you think of me. I just tried to explain it to you because I wanted to be nice, but if you don't get it, then not. Not my problem, in fact.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

, we wiccas don't like too many people around knowing too much about us anyway.

I can understand why. When you try to explain something, it exposes your beliefs to be mere foolishness. No one likes to hear their beliefs are silly, and you avoid putting yourself in the circumstance where that is likely. Why not open your eyes to the fact that wiccan beliefs are not based in reality, that what you want is lovely, but doesn't have to be accomplished with childish Faerie-LARPing in the meadows. You can find others who, like you, want to enjoy the world for what it is, who want to drink in all the experiences possible, who want to suck the marrow right out of life. You don't have to keep yourself intellectually and emotionally stunted to do so. Time to grow up, dear.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Maybe it was a bad example, but I think, if you still didn't get my point, I can't help you with that anymore. I've got nothing more to say about it and maybe it's good if you don't understand me this well, we wiccas don't like too many people around knowing too much about us anyway.

Then why are there so many books on the subject?

I typed "wicca" into Amazon.com and got 18,172 hits. And that's not including all the websites (13.8 million hits on Google).

Not exactly what I would call a "secret". Well unless of course you are really sacrificing animals and humans. If that's true, then you've kept a pretty good lid on that.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

That is not a good example at all. The sky is blue: fact. Why it is blue has nothing to do with belief: it's the scattering affect.

That's pretty simple physics. What you appear to be doing is mistaking belief in magic for well understood physics.

The sky is blue because God made it blue, no matter what "reason" science comes up with.

But what you have shown is that the evidence for magics existance that you use to demonstrate the object existence of magic is your own personal feelings.

Ask yourself, does 'feeling something to be true' really cut it in the real world?

Been in a public school lately? 2+2 is whatever you feel it is because feelings are more important than facts.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

...we wiccas don't like too many people around knowing too much about us anyway...

Not many people react well to having their stupidity and hypocrisy exposed.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

That is not a good example at all. The sky is blue: fact. Why it is blue has nothing to do with belief: it's the scattering affect.

That's pretty simple physics. What you appear to be doing is mistaking belief in magic for well understood physics.

But what you have shown is that the evidence for magics existance that you use to demonstrate the object existence of magic is your own personal feelings.

Ask yourself, does 'feeling something to be true' really cut it in the real world?

Maybe it was a bad example, but I think, if you still didn't get my point, I can't help you with that anymore. I've got nothing more to say about it and maybe it's good if you don't understand me this well, we wiccas don't like too many people around knowing too much about us anyway.

And thanks for the information, BelieverInGod

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Huh? That was a serious question. In Germany we wear our wedding ring on the right hand, so where do you wear yours?

Not sure what this has to do with you heading to Hell, but wearing your wedding ring on the right hand is just another form of rebellion among you sinners.

For the next three centuries everyone who could afford a wedding ring wore it on their left hand. It wasn’t until the 16th century when the Netherlands began to rebel against the Spanish throne for their independence. The Calvinist Reform Movement had spread from France to the Netherlands. It took the Dutch eighty years to emerge as an independent nation. It was the Dutch who started wearing their wedding rings on their right hands to show their disrespect to the Pope and the Spanish crown. To this day, this Protestant gesture is important to the Dutch, and it caused a slight scandal when Prince William-Alexander of the Netherlands placed the wedding ring on the right hand of his Argentinian Catholic bride Maxima.

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Merry Meet, Christians

Of course I can't say they are real, I cannot prove this. But this is about believing and faith can be much stronger than some people might think. Some people choose to believe in fairies, I chose to believe in a Goddess and that's it. It's not in my interest to prove anything to anyone, I absolutely tolerate the believes of others. What I told you before is what I believe and only that, nothing more.

And to your "which is correct" question: Why not both? The obejctive reality is the truth, but everything around that can be seen so differently in so many ways.

Example: The sky is blue. Sure it is blue, all of us can see it! This is the objective part. But the believing part is, WHY it is blue. Some say, it is blue, because God wants it to be like that. Others say, it is because of the light reflection and others again may think that someone paints it blue. But what do I care what other think about that, when I'm sure of my version? Does that even matter, as long as I know that the sky is blue?

That is not a good example at all. The sky is blue: fact. Why it is blue has nothing to do with belief: it's the scattering affect.

That's pretty simple physics. What you appear to be doing is mistaking belief in magic for well understood physics.

But what you have shown is that the evidence for magics existance that you use to demonstrate the object existence of magic is your own personal feelings.

Ask yourself, does 'feeling something to be true' really cut it in the real world?