[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: You wanted an introduction

I worship the goddess Callisto, not any demons.

Let me guess...she has the scantily clad body of Carmen Electra, but with bat wings and tons of black eyeliner, right?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Nope. The original "myth" was that Callisto was a goddess of the hunt in her own right.

Are you referring to speculations of Artemis Kalliste, or do you actually have some actual facts to back this information? Main problem with these speculations is that evidence of separate Artemis (godess)- Callisto (nymph) actually out dates any information about Artemis Kalliste.

No religion is false. Every religion is real to those who believe. Though Wicca is a modernized Christianized version of Paganism. Scientology is not a religion, and I'm not sure what all it en-tales.

Only Christianity worships true living God, in that sense all the other ones are are false. No matter how much their followers believes in them. Anyway, reflecting on what you just wrote, why do you dismiss scientolgy? After all it has their own church and it's much more structured and organized as a religion than whatever it is that you call your religion. At least scientologist believes that their religion is the right one and yours is the false one.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

You're a goth girl, and you're trying to tell us you're not fat? Show me a goth girl who's not fat, and I'll show you a boy wearing a dress.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Blindly and wildly lashing out? What on earth are you talking about? Not considering what anyone has said? Are you talking to a mirror?
Seriously? Because you are the ones who keep disregarding the majority of what we post.

As I have said before, I would LOVE to know how wearing a gown or a drape sleeve top, corset, long skirt, with a petticoat or stockings and tights
underneath is considered dressing like a whore. Or a long skirt, Victorian blouse, lace gloves, stockings/tights, etc., is considered dressing
like a whore? How is it dressing like a whore if you are covered?

No, I do not need to listen to better music. The only music one needs to listen to is the music they truly enjoy.

I do not need to ask a god I do not believe in forgiveness for anything, especially things that I have yet to do and am not going
to do.

I don't believe there are any surviving images of the goddess Callisto, at least not any available to the public.

Science is not a religion.

I've already provided pictures of Goths who are not fat. How is 105 lbs fat?

https://www.facebook.com/JennaMayhem?fref=ts

https://www.facebook.com/ALttp?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/ashley.cavey?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/gothika.blysse?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/alena.interrupted?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/AmyDianeKerrHahn?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/CrimsonMoons?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

https://www.facebook.com/Ladyindecadence

https://www.facebook.com/kissedbyfire?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

Siouxsie Sioux
Dinah Cancer
Alastrelle
Viona from Viona Art
Patricia Morrison

http://www.thomas-bunge.com/functions/picture.php?pic=http://www.thomas-bunge.com/images/WGT2007/05_agra_0507_018ab.jpg&year=2007

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/203/8/0/wave_gotik_treffen_2012_by_xxiravenixx-d5871iu.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdtoocQCu81r4me8zo1_500.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/gothic0007.jpg/

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/155/9/7/wave_gothic_treffen_09_1_by_Skarbog.jpg

http://data.whicdn.com/images/27951091/360840488_aa6d087b8d_z_large.jpg

http://www.satyrography.com/portfolio/wgt11/Wave_Gotik_Treffen_2011_175_web.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C6bxog7YyfU/UaPIleBPsUI/AAAAAAAAASU/mHjFtpL1fmc/s320/988705_10151932405853098_253941860_n.jpg

http://www.thomas-bunge.com/functions/picture.php?pic=http://www.thomas-bunge.com/images/WGT2012/wave_gotik_treffen_2012_0050ab.jpg&year=2012

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/203/8/3/wave_gotik_treffen_2012_by_xxiravenixx-d5871xm.jpg

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/group-wave-gotik-treffen-wgt-19198805.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4459822603_c9de66c514.jpg

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/wave-gothic-treffen-10302166.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=712666758750728&set=pb.381613158522758.-2207520000.1376170128.&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2F1150328_712666758750728_300424994_n.jpg&size=640%2C960

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=712203655463705&set=pb.381613158522758.-2207520000.1376170169.&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc3%2F1014192_712203655463705_1457292106_n.jpg&size=641%2C960

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=710100095674061&set=pb.381613158522758.-2207520000.1376170210.&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F1094969_710100095674061_1881281360_n.jpg&size=477%2C720

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0-F2vyKo-_E/TiKgczi3PMI/AAAAAAAAAx8/Apru_xm2a_I/s320/Myzaree.jpg

While I don't necessarily approve of all the outfits or make up, how are any of these women fat?

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Oddly enough, I see skinny Goth-appearing women here.

https://www.facebook.com/Gothic.Culture.Official

And she's skinny too. A member of a Goth Rock community on Facebook. Amazing.

https://www.facebook.com/Mahafsoun/photos

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

So you linked to a bunch of profiles of whores who are temporarily skinny because they're on meth. I can't wait to see how each one of them balloons up after a few weeks in rehab!

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

So you linked to a bunch of profiles of whores who are temporarily skinny because they're on meth. I can't wait to see how each one of them balloons up after a few weeks in rehab!

Can you prove any of these women are on any kind of drugs? They have pictures taken over the course of at least 5 years or more, but it's temporary? I was expecting you to claim it was an illusion caused by tight-lacing corsets, not this same old tired routine of "you're all on drugs." Even if it was due to drugs, it's still proof that Goth girls are not necessarily fat. Though in reality, a lot of Goth girls are skinny because they work out, or dance a lot at clubs, or both. Also, I've known people (none of which were Goths) who gained weight while on meth, crack, cocaine, heroine, etc., and only got thinner after rehab. By the way, I thought you people claimed we did marijuana, which causes people to have the "munchies" and thus gain weight?

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Also, can you prove any of these women are whores? It is very easy, and free, to look up the criminal record of anyone in the U.S. And some of those women are in the U.S. So could you please, before jumping to conclusions, actually look up someone's record to see if they have actually been arrested in relation to drugs or prostitution in the same year or so as the pictures on their profiles and provide the links to such records? Or can you provide pictures or video, or even a status update proving they do drugs? No, you can't? I didn't think so.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

You think only women who've been arrested for prostitution are whores?

Ho, ho, ho, you've got a lot to learn.

If you'd bother to crack open a Bible, you'd know that a whore is any woman who corrupts somebody via lewd intercourse.

If that's not a textbook description of a goth girl, I don't know what is!

As for meth, you are talking to a former goth and a former meth user. I know from my own personal experience that the goth scene is essentially one big meth party.

If you say otherwise, you are a liar, and I will challenge you to make that assertion in the presence of the parents of any one of a number of goth kids I know of who are dead and buried (and currently burning in Hell) because of crystal meth.

I'm guessing you're probably high on meth right now.

PS: How tall are you? What's your body mass index? You definitely have all the tell-tale signs of fat girl personality. I'm guessing that, based on your height, 90 pounds is probably what any doctor would say your idea weight is.

Maybe if you learned some self control, you could lose that extra 15 pounds of disgusting lard?

Jesus can help you with your self control issues.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Nope. The original "myth" was that Callisto was a goddess of the hunt in her own right. Later, like a lot of gods and goddesses she became known as less, simply a nymph under Artemis, who was seduced or raped by Zeus, had his child, and both were turned into bears and placed in the sky as Ursa Minor and Ursa Major.

No religion is false. Every religion is real to those who believe. Though Wicca is a modernized Christianized version of Paganism. Scientology is not a religion, and I'm not sure what all it en-tales.

Callisto was never a "goddess of the hunt, but a follower of Artemis (Diana) who took a vow of virginity in order to become a nymph of Artemis. Your writing is unclear here, but to set the record straight it was Callisto, NOT Artemis, that was lured into Zeus' embrace. When Artemis discovered some months later that Callisto was knocked up she expelled her and turned her into a bear. Some versions of the myth suggest that it was Juno that turned Callisto into a bear.

Callisto's son was named Arcas, who was hidden by Zeus in an area that was later to become known as Arcadia.

Of course all of this is myth - that is, none of it is true. If you think so we have a word for that condition - delusional. Sometimes artists will create a work derived from these myths, and in this case there is an Edwardian musical comedy known as "The Arcadians" with music by Lionel Monckton and Howard Talbot (1909).

It just so happens that the music derived from this "Callisto" myth was played aboard the Titanic, which if we are able to draw any conclusions about Jesus' view on these myths it just might be to avoid them.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

No, I certainly do not. But if you cannot prove someone has been arrested for prostitution, or do not have them on film soliciting someone, how can you assume
they are a prostitute? You cannot prove they are. It's an unfounded accusation
based on what you WANT to believe. And you have no right to make
unfounded accusations.

And can you prove that any of these women participate in lewd intercourse? Can you
prove every single one of those women, and the hundreds I have not posted, are not virgins or were not virgins until married? Can you prove they have anything but
missionary intercourse with their legal husbands? Are you peaking through our windows
every night with a camera? If so, please, send the images, send the video, send the proof.

Otherwise, stop accusing people of things when you know nothing about them.

And no, that is not a textbook description of a Goth girl. A Goth girl is any girl
who listens to Goth Rock.

Really? A former Goth? What years were you in the scene? Which Goth clubs did you go to?
Which Goth bands did you listen to? And how does you claiming to have been a meth using
Goth prove that all Goths use meth or any other drug? You are talking to a woman who has been involved in the Goth scene for 12+ years. A woman involved in the Baltimore, Philly,
and D.C. Goth scene. A woman who has been to multiple Goth clubs, goes to Goth concerts,
Goth house parties, etc., and has yet to see ONE single Goth take ONE single drug. You are talking to a woman who is personally friends with the current managers of a Goth club, two of the former managers, the owner of another club that hosts a Goth night, as well as multiple DJs, Goth models, photographers, and is a personal friend of the vocalist of Baltimore's Goth Rock band The Drowning Season. I think it's safe to say,
based on my own experiences, what IS and is NOT done within the Goth subculture today. As can anyone else, like Derek, who is currently involved in the Goth scene.

No, I am not a liar, and just because you may or may not have been involved in the scene at one time, in one area, does not give you the right to accuse me of being a liar. If you say the entire Goth scene is involved in drugs, then YOU must be lying. Have you attended every Goth club or night in the entire world? Have you attended every Goth concert in the world? Do you have any physical or visual evidence of any of your claims? You claim you know Goths who have died from crystal meth use? Show me their death certificate. Show me the news articles.

I have never in my entire life used crystal meth nor will I.

I have told you I am 105 lbs. I am 5'1. There is no way someone who is 5'1 and 105 lbs is fat. Not to mention that my picture was one of the ones I linked, and no I will not tell you which one it is. Take a guess. Considering they were all skinny, it really doesn't matter. 90 lbs? Really? Anything under 100 lbs would be underweight for my height and build. No adult who is over 5' should be below 95 lbs at most.

I have self control, and it would actually be very hard for me to even get fat eating normal proportions, unless I baked all my own bakery products all the time, considering I'm highly allergic to nuts and honey. And you know what, I don't even know how to bake. I jog almost every day, do crunches, single leg circles, ride a bike, dance, etc., I have no extra 15 lbs. I have no extra weight at all.

According to you, the only thing Jesus can help me with is learning to be racist, intolerant, rude, uncivil, insulting, hating, manipulative, ignorant, illogical, and backwards.

I am still waiting for PROOF to ANY of your claims.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Callisto was never a "goddess of the hunt, but a follower of Artemis (Diana) who took a vow of virginity in order to become a nymph of Artemis. Your writing is unclear here, but to set the record straight it was Callisto, NOT Artemis, that was lured into Zeus' embrace. When Artemis discovered some months later that Callisto was knocked up she expelled her and turned her into a bear. Some versions of the myth suggest that it was Juno that turned Callisto into a bear.

Callisto's son was named Arcas, who was hidden by Zeus in an area that was later to become known as Arcadia.

Of course all of this is myth - that is, none of it is true. If you think so we have a word for that condition - delusional. Sometimes artists will create a work derived from these myths, and in this case there is an Edwardian musical comedy known as "The Arcadians" with music by Lionel Monckton and Howard Talbot (1909).

It just so happens that the music derived from this "Callisto" myth was played aboard the Titanic, which if we are able to draw any conclusions about Jesus' view on these myths it just might be to avoid them.

Actually, she was a goddess of the hunt, though I cannot find the article I read years ago.

And yes, it is a myth. Does that mean it is not true? No. It means it is something that has yet to be, or cannot be proven. The bible is a book of myth. Any story believed by any religion is a myth to outsiders of that religion. You cannot prove one is more true than the other.

[Roberta]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Statutory rape laws are based on the premise that until a person reaches a certain age, that individual is legally incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse. Thus, the law assumes, even if he or she willingly engages in sexual intercourse, the sex is not consensual.

In most states the age of consent is sixteen.

The original purpose of statutory rape laws was to protect young, unwed females from males who might impregnate them and not take responsibility by providing support for the child. In the past, the solution to such problems was often a "shotgun wedding", a forced marriage called for by the parents of the girl in question. This rationale aims to preserve the marriageability of the girl and to prevent unwanted teenage pregnancy.

A child born out of wedlock is legally a bastard. Hope your nino is not a product of miscegenation.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Statutory rape laws are based on the premise that until a person reaches a certain age, that individual is legally incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse. Thus, the law assumes, even if he or she willingly engages in sexual intercourse, the sex is not consensual.

In most states the age of consent is sixteen.

The original purpose of statutory rape laws was to protect young, unwed females from males who might impregnate them and not take responsibility by providing support for the child. In the past, the solution to such problems was often a "shotgun wedding", a forced marriage called for by the parents of the girl in question. This rationale aims to preserve the marriageability of the girl and to prevent unwanted teenage pregnancy.

A child born out of wedlock is legally a bastard. Hope your nino is not a product of miscegenation.

Not that it is actually relevant but

First of all, can you read? Can you do math? I'm 23. My son is 4.

Second, according to Christianity and the Christian god, a betrothed couple is considered as good as already married. Therefore, betrothed is not "out of wedlock."

What does this have to do with the Goth scene anyway? Oh wait, I know. Your cannot prove your claims, so you all just insult people and innocent children. You think if you make people angry, they will not realize you haven't proven anything? Or that they will start insulting you, cussing, and threatening, so that you can say they are not civilized and that they're just proving the Goth scene is hateful and violence? Sorry dear, but you won't get me to threaten you. Nor do I hate you. I just feel sorry for you all.