[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

First of all, we are not Mormons. We are Baptists.

Secondly, and more importantly, please tell your whoremongering boyfriend that I have extended to him my hand in friendship.

Please tell him I have invited him to join us here and quote exactly which Bible verses he thinks will prove that we are the least Christian people he has ever heard of.

This is important. If he can quote chapter and verse which prove that we are wrong about something, I promise you right here and right now that I will change my beliefs.

All he has to do is show me where the Bible says I should do something differently, and I will do it!

I eagerly await his reply.

I typed morons, not Mormons. Please stop editing my posts. My betrothed would laugh in your face and call your misguided backwards fools. The only proof needed to know that you are not true Christians is that what has just been admitted by one of your fellows. You follow a known mistranslated version of the bible, which is far from the original version of the bible. A bible mistranslated on purpose to please a King because he was AFRAID (a true God-fearing man would not be afraid of so-called devil's creatures) of witches, who tolerated Catholics so long as they practiced their religion within the confines of their own homes and not in public, and who is believed by many scholars and historians to have been bisexual.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You wanted an introduction

How about this, lets change track. Where is the evidence that anything we have said on this forum has lead to the death maiming or rape of anyone? How has anything we have said caused anyone any harm in any way. We know your feelings have been hurt, and you want to make us pay, or prove us wrong or something (I'm still not sure why you're here).

Please think about it for a second, and write it slowly. Your posts have been slowly becoming more frantic and harder to read.

YiC
DAM

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

How about this, lets change track. Where is the evidence that anything we have said on this forum has lead to the death maiming or rape of anyone? How has anything we have said caused anyone any harm in any way. We know your feelings have been hurt, and you want to make us pay, or prove us wrong or something (I'm still not sure why you're here).

Please think about it for a second, and write it slowly. Your posts have been slowly becoming more frantic and harder to read.

YiC
DAM

Stop putting words in peoples mouths. I did not say that it had, I said it's accusations LIKE the ones your website makes which cause attacks like that. I did not say the people committing these attacks read them off your site, I said they read accusations like them. Meaning they could have read them on other websites, but they are the SAME accusations. I also said do you really think that there is no one in the world who will see your websites condoning and promoting that hatred and violence, and go out and do it? Do you really think it couldn't happen when you are telling them it's OKAY to do those things?

My feelings haven't been hurt. I'm trying to point out you should not make unfounded generalizations like that about an entire scene, without providing proof, and without expecting that people make take you at your word when you tell them "It's okay. They were doing God's work. I'd do the same as these people." and possibly act on that? They heard from SOMEONE that it's okay, or they wouldn't be specifically picking fights with gays, Goths, witches, drag queens, etc.,

My posts are not hard to read, nor frantic. And I have explained, in precise English, why I am here. I have done so multiple times.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You wanted an introduction

[QUOTE]

Stop putting words in peoples mouths. I did not say that it had, I said it's accusations LIKE the ones your website makes which cause attacks like that.

You mean like this

Your website condones that murder and attacks like it, and it is the reason I am here. That is the reason these unfounded accusations against the Goth scene NEED TO STOP.

And this

And how can you say this site has nothing to do with it? You have an entire thread based on bashing Sophie Lancaster and claiming her killers did your god's work. You have an entire there blaming a website full of thousands of people on what a few people have done, and calling any member of that website or anyone who appears Goth a terrorist? Your church is behind Godhatesgoths.com, which very clearly promotes hatred and violence towards the Goth community?

I did not say the people committing these attacks read them off your site, I said they read accusations like them. Meaning they could have read them on other websites, but they are the SAME accusations. I also said do you really think that there is no one in the world who will see your websites condoning and promoting that hatred and violence, and go out and do it? Do you really think it couldn't happen when you are telling them it's OKAY to do those things?

Personally I have written a post that could be considered an incitement to violence, and one of the True Christian moderators removed the paragraph from the post. They did not delete the entire post because they, unlike you, believe in free speech. That being said not all violent posts get caught.

My feelings haven't been hurt.

Then quite acting like it

I'm trying to point out you should not make unfounded generalizations like that about an entire scene, without providing proof, and without expecting that people make take you at your word when you tell them "It's okay.

Why not? Are we not allowed our own opinions on our own forum?

They were doing God's work. I'd do the same as these people." and possibly act on that? They heard from SOMEONE that it's okay, or they wouldn't be specifically picking fights with gays, Goths, witches, drag queens, etc.,

So you deny free will and every action needs to be influenced by someone?

Ok now we're getting somewhere. GO AWAY!

My posts are not hard to read, nor frantic. And I have explained, in precise English, why I am here. I have done so multiple times.

Go back and read them, seriously

YiC
DAM

[Nobar King]

Re: You wanted an introduction

you are basing your beliefs on a known mistranslated copy of the bible? If you were a true Christian, wouldn't you be basing it on the original bible, rather than a version that has obviously (since it doesn't match the original) been altered by man? This is also rather funny, considering King James actually tolerated a lot of Catholics, and was believed to have been possibly bisexual.

I thought you liked bisexuals? You should be promoting the Bible, not libeling it.

[Roberta]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Not that it is actually relevant but

First of all, can you read? Can you do math? I'm 23. My son is 4.

Second, according to Christianity and the Christian god, a betrothed couple is considered as good as already married. Therefore, betrothed is not "out of wedlock."

What does this have to do with the Goth scene anyway? Oh wait, I know. Your cannot prove your claims, so you all just insult people and innocent children. You think if you make people angry, they will not realize you haven't proven anything? Or that they will start insulting you, cussing, and threatening, so that you can say they are not civilized and that they're just proving the Goth scene is hateful and violence? Sorry dear, but you won't get me to threaten you. Nor do I hate you. I just feel sorry for you all.

I am a 20 some year old Caucasian woman with a 4 (almost 5) year old (healthy) son and a wonderful (a Christian Metalhead) betrothed/boyfriend.

YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR RACE AND YOUR FAMILY. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SHAME YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER? You are on EBT, right? I seriously doubt that the babydaddy is playing (paying) much of a fatherly role. How much money have you spent on tattoos. Read LEVITICUS 19:28.

Your life is not salvageable but there is still a modicum of hope for your sprog. We will pray that he finds a light under a bushel.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: You wanted an introduction

No religion is false.

You know, this has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted here on God's favorite forum.

NO ONE believes this nonsense! Only "open-minded" hippies believe it. Have you ever stopped to think that it is possible to be so open-minded that your brains fall out?

All religions claim they are the one true faith and certainly Christianity is no different in that it also claims to be the one true faith, so how can we know who is right? First, we have to understand and accept the fact that they can not ALL be right because they contradict each other. Some Eastern religions teach that you can become fully “enlightened” through a reincarnation process if you do enough good deeds. Islam teaches you must follow the teachings of the Qu'ran and the Hadiths and accept Mohammad as God's true prophet for the hope that Allah may grant you entrance into paradise. Jesus taught that he was God in the flesh, who came to Earth in human form to die for the sins of mankind, so that “whosoever would believe on Him would not perish, but have everlasting life”. So who's right?

If we are to approach this logically, we need to see that all religions began with a founder who had a philosophy and then convinced others to follow that philosophy. (Mohammad, Buddha, Krishna, etc.) The next logical step is to determine which of these religious leaders was speaking with the authority of Heaven, the authority of God, the real God, the God who created the Universe. So lets examine the evidence. Jesus is the only “religious leader” who actually claimed to be God on Earth, in the flesh. Of course, he was the Son of God while in human flesh, and yet also fully God and fully human. (While our finite minds are not yet capable of comprehending how the Son of God can also be fully God and fully human, we must acknowledge the fact that Jesus himself claimed this to be true, whether we can comprehend this mystery or not.) So we first need to determine whether or not Jesus really did, in fact, claim that he was God. Here's some evidence. In Isaiah 9:6 it is prophesied the Messiah that comes to Earth in the flesh will be called “Mighty God, everlasting Father” and in Isaiah 7:14 the coming Messiah is prophesied to be called Emmanuel, which means “God with us”. (It is important to remember that while Scripture is God's Word, it is also historical documentation and accounts of events written down by real people in history) Jesus came along hundreds of years later and declared that he was the Messiah prophesied about, that he was indeed “God with us”. He said in John 6:41 that he “came down from Heaven” and in verse 62 that he would ascend to “where he was before”. He said in John 8:23 that he is “from above”, in John 10:30 “I and the Father are one” and in John 8:58 “Before Abraham was born, I am”, using the same “I AM “ self reference God used with Moses at the burning bush.

Remember, in addition to Scripture, these are the actual historically recorded words of Jesus by John, an eyewitness who recorded them within the lifetimes of other eyewitnesses who were in a position to refute John's account if it wasn't historically accurate. While there certainly were people at that time who rejected the conclusions drawn by the disciples that Jesus was who he claimed to be, there are no writings from the time ever found in archeology or epigraphy from anyone who disagreed with what the disciples claimed Jesus did and said.

Also, remember, Jesus allowed himself to be worshiped as recorded in places such as John 9:38 and Matthew 14:33. In the Old Testament we see that God is a jealous God and declares that no one besides God is to be worshiped, so for Jesus to allow himself to be worshiped establishes that he did in fact consider himself to be God. He also declared that he was to only true religion in that he said many times that he is the only way to get to Heaven.

The next logical step is to determine whether Jesus was right or wrong about his claims. So let's examine this. Jesus backed up his claims by doing things no regular human being could do. It is historically recorded by eyewitnesses that Jesus changed the weather with his spoken word, walked on water, changed water into wine, instantly healed the blind, the deaf and paralyzed, created fish and bread to feed thousands, brought the dead back to life and rose from the dead himself, after which he appeared before 500 brethren over 40 days. Back then, only men were counted in crowd size estimates, so factoring in women and children, Jesus would have appeared to probably 1500 to 2000 people. Again, this is not just Scripture, but actual recorded historical accounts by eyewitnesses. Now, compare this to every other religious leader and the difference becomes clear. Every other founder of every other religion was just a regular human being with a philosophy who convinced others to follow that philosophy. They possessed no power to defy the Laws of Physics. Anyone can invent a religion, but not anyone can claim to be God and then back it up with the power to control sickness, disease, the weather, the Laws of Physics and even death itself.

When Mohammad, Buddha, Confucius, Krishna or any of these other people were in a storm, they couldn't change the weather, they merely got wet. When they came across blind, deaf or paralyzed people, those people stayed blind, deaf and paralyzed. If they attended a wedding where the wine ran out, water would have to do. If they had only 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish to feed 5000, 4990 would have to go hungry. When they came across dead people, those people stayed dead and when they died themselves, they stayed dead.

Remember, if any of these other religions are true, then Jesus, with all of his proofs, would have to be wrong and one of these regular human religious leaders would have to be right. That's something you can not logically or intellectually accept.

So shut your unsaved yap and repent now!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: KJV

What does God call people who disregard that Commandment?

Ezekiel 16:17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, KJV

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor
What is a Jesus toy?

What do you think it is? A toy made in the image of Jesus

Notice in particular that it is not what you do with the image that constitutes the crime.
It's possession of the image.
That is called idolatry.

Ezekiel 23:7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself. KJV

Having polluted your child in this way is not enough.
You must declare as a witch!
God explains:

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts. KJV

As you must realise by now, a number of us here have had very close contact with the goth community during our lives as heathen trash and well know what happens in that wretched and debased community. It is no more shameful to have done so than to have been born brim full of sin in the first place, as all babies are, and whether one's obsession is gothic demonolatry (all goddesses are demons, all idols celebrate demons, all pagan deities are demons and all "sacred geometry" is demonic) or being a slut or a rock&roller or a technohead or a punk or a witch or all of the above doesn't make much difference (except for babies born out of wedlock or under the Curse of Ham or to parents who not only possess images but bow down to them as well).

Jesus offers Salvation.

Come to Him today.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

[QUOTE=Dec Abdiel Mordecai;1020775]

You mean like this

And this


Personally I have written a post that could be considered an incitement to violence, and one of the True Christian moderators removed the paragraph from the post. They did not delete the entire post because they, unlike you, believe in free speech. That being said not all violent posts get caught.

Then quite acting like it

Why not? Are we not allowed our own opinions on our own forum?

So you deny free will and every action needs to be influenced by someone?

Ok now we're getting somewhere. GO AWAY!

Go back and read them, seriously

YiC
DAM

I mean like what? Are you talking about putting words in peoples mouth? Or are you implying I am making unfounded accusations with no basis? Please specify. It's not hard. Either way, I have not put words in anyone's mouth nor have I made any unfounded accusations.

You moderators remove incitement to violence? Really? You are the same people who created Godhatesgoths.com, which is a site inciting violence against anyone who is not Christian, but particularly what you incorrectly consider "Goths." You have an entire thread on this website to bash both Vampirefreaks.com and Sophie Lancaster, threads made years ago, that are still on this website, have not been locked, with many replies that have not been removed, which both incite and condone violence.

You also keep insisting that it's okay because your god hates Goths, witches, etc., etc., and says they should not be allowed to live.

But you remove posts condoning violence.

This is very contradictory.

I have not once acted like my feelings have been hurt, but since you all have horrible reading comprehension skills, and want to believe that all "Goths" are self-hating cry babies, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, I'm not surprised you would think this.

Everyone is allowed their own opinions. However, facts are facts. You are all claiming these are FACTS about Goths that have been proven, yet you offer no legitimate proof. You tell people that it is okay to be hateful or violence towards Goths, witches, etc., because they are "evil" and all these other things. You tell "Goths" they need to be saved because of all this. But you offer no proof. You cannot EXPECT any "Goth" to listen to you, when they are involved in the scene themselves and know what it's like, to believe their own experiences are wrong without proof. Nor can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say "You're a whore. You're a drug addict. You're a liar." We know whether we are lying or not. We know whether we are doing drugs or not. And no, telling anyone they do drugs is not an opinion. You either do drugs or you do not.

Nor can you change the definition of something based on your own opinion.

You can think it's going against your god all you want. That is an opinion. You can think your religion is correct all you want. That is an opinion. But there are certain things that are a matter of facts, not opinions. I would suggest that you learn the difference.

Every action is influenced by something. Whether that influence is drugs, mental illness, desperation, lack of funds, love, religious belief, etc., Were you not taught cause and effect like everyone else? There is a cause to every effect. Every choice someone makes is influenced by something. Most peoples actions are influenced by their beliefs and the way they were raised, and by what they are taught. Do you really think what you are teaching cannot influence someone? I thought the whole point of teaching something, or having a sermon, etc., was to influence someone.

I have gone back and read my posts. And I have real every response to my posts, and many from before I was here. So long as you actually have reading comprehension skills, and understand English, my posts are perfectly legible.

I thought you liked bisexuals? You should be promoting the Bible, not libeling it.

First of all, while I am neither, I have no problems with bisexual or homosexuals, and I have never said or implied I did. Again, where are your reading comprehension skills? Oh that's right. You don't want to comprehend anything a Goth or witch says. My point was quite clear.

I am a 20 some year old Caucasian woman with a 4 (almost 5) year old (healthy) son and a wonderful (a Christian Metalhead) betrothed/boyfriend.

YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR RACE AND YOUR FAMILY. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SHAME YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER? You are on EBT, right? I seriously doubt that the babydaddy is playing (paying) much of a fatherly role. How much money have you spent on tattoos. Read LEVITICUS 19:28.

Your life is not salvageable but there is still a modicum of hope for your sprog. We will pray that he finds a light under a bushel.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but you Baptists are the only ones who seem to feel disgraced or shamed by me. My parents would also think you are all a bunch of bigoted idiots.

My son's father is my betrothed. We live together. Do you really think I am carrying, or have carried, all the monetary or responsibility weight the entire time we have been together? As to EBT, you do not believe in birth control or abortion, correct? I'm guessing you either don't have sex very often with your husbands/wives, or you have more children than you all of you can support. At least while having a job that does not cause you to go against any of your ridiculously backwards beliefs. You really expect me to believe that there are enough jobs, that do not cause you to go against your beliefs during work hours, and which pay enough to support your dozen children? That you don't sit around like that stupid family on t.v., collecting money from the government, and making your oldest children take care of the youngest while you shirk your responsibilities to sit on your cellulite stuffed behinds thinking "I'm procreating again. God must have blessed our family mightily"?

Sorry. I'm not buying it.

Nor have I ever spent a single penny on tattoos, though my boyfriend had some done before we met.

Also, saying "all religions are true to those who believe" is not ridiculous. All religions are true to those who believe. Religions are a matter of faith, not proven fact. If you have a religion, it's the true one to you.

Interesting. So Jesus said he was the son of god? I was always told, by members of the church and pastors/preachers, that Jesus never said he was the son of god, nor believed it, it was only other men who said he was. The bible was written by historians? You do realize that the story of Atlantis was written by a historian, don't you? You do realize that all myths who written by people who considered themselves to be historians, writing down the world's true history? You also do realize that no "history" in the bible has been unquestionably proven by any scientist, modern historian, archeologist, scholar, etc.,? The only "proof" that has been collected, such as proof of a great flood or of the existence of a cities that may or may not have been Sodom and Gomorrah, can just as easily be proving the truth of another historian's words? That there were great floods and cities which were destroyed in other legends, mythologies/religious stories?

Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: KJV

What does God call people who disregard that Commandment?

Ezekiel 16:17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, KJV

Notice in particular that it is not what you do with the image that constitutes the crime.
It's possession of the image.
That is called idolatry.

Ezekiel 23:7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself. KJV

Having polluted your child in this way is not enough.
You must declare as a witch!
God explains:

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts. KJV

As you must realise by now, a number of us here have had very close contact with the goth community during our lives as heathen trash and well know what happens in that wretched and debased community. It is no more shameful to have done so than to have been born brim full of sin in the first place, as all babies are, and whether one's obsession is gothic demonolatry (all goddesses are demons, all idols celebrate demons, all pagan deities are demons and all "sacred geometry" is demonic) or being a slut or a rock&roller or a technohead or a punk or a witch or all of the above doesn't make much difference (except for babies born out of wedlock or under the Curse of Ham or to parents who not only possess images but bow down to them as well).

Jesus offers Salvation.

Come to Him today.

So you are telling me that you do not believe children should have any toys? You are telling me that children, and adults, should learn about your god and Jesus without imagery? That it does not make it easier for a child to understand with imagery?

And I've already told you I'm a witch. That is nothing to be ashamed of.

I don't care what you claim your "close contact with the Goth community" has been unless you can provide evidence. Nor will any other Goth who has not seen the things you claim to have scene within the scene. Don't you realize that Goths know what goes on at the places they hang out? Don't you realize that we all know what we do or do not do in our own lives?

No, all goddesses are not demons. A demon is a demon. Nor will anyone who is not Christian ever believe that "all goddesses are demons." That is your opinion only. The same thing applies to any non-Christian deity. It's your opinion, and no one who does not follow your religion will agree with you.

Yes, what music scene you listen to does make a difference. The styles of clothing are different, the things that go on in the clubs and scenes are different.

If your god would condemn an innocent child to Hell for being born out of wedlock, something that he/she had no say in, then why would anyone want to follow such a conceited and cruel character?

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Fatwhoreofravenstock, I'm still waiting for your shack-up baby daddy to introduce himself and cite the specific Bible chapters and verses which prove that we are not good Christians.

The gauntlet has been thrown down, young missy. As previously stated, I am ready, willing, and able to change my beliefs and practices if your sperm donor can show me that I am not living in accord with the Bible's simple, easy-to-follow life instructions.

It's time to either put up or shut up. If your Lothario fails to meet this challenge, I will accept that as your confirmation that you are wrong and we are right.

Mr. Premarital Sex has exactly 48 hours to make his introductory post and use the Bible to show me how wrong I am.

The clock is ticking, dear.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Fatwhoreofravenstock, I'm still waiting for your shack-up baby daddy to introduce himself and cite the specific Bible chapters and verses which prove that we are not good Christians.

The gauntlet has been thrown down, young missy. As previously stated, I am ready, willing, and able to change my beliefs and practices if your sperm donor can show me that I am not living in accord with the Bible's simple, easy-to-follow life instructions.

It's time to either put up or shut up. If your Lothario fails to meet this challenge, I will accept that as your confirmation that you are wrong and we are right.

Mr. Premarital Sex has exactly 48 hours to make his introductory post and use the Bible to show me how wrong I am.

The clock is ticking, dear.

He doesn't need to. I already pointed out that you are following a BS version of the bible written in the 1600s, as opposed to the original. If you're not following the original bible, you are not a proper Christian.

I threw down many gauntlets awhile ago. None have ever been taken up. So don't talk to me about gauntlets.

I already told you, I'm not the one wanting to convert people. I'm just asking you not to tell people (this means anyone, not just me) that Goths are ALL this and that, without providing evidence to show them this is the case.

You know what a sperm donor is, right? Sorry, I did not go to a sperm bank. I met my child's father in person, and we are a betrothed couple, married in the eyes of this "God" every "Christian" denomination believes in.

Your clock can keep ticking. Your bible is not the correct one. Any scripture used against you, you will simply say is not from your purposely mistranslated incorrect version. And I don't really care what religion you follow. I care about the Goth scene. Please read two paragraphs up.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: You wanted an introduction

I already pointed out that you are following a BS version of the bible written in the 1600s, as opposed to the original. If you're not following the original bible, you are not a proper Christian.

How offensive can you get? A witch telling True Christians(tm) which Bible to follow? Seriously?

Proof that the KJV is the ONLY True Word of God can be found HERE.

You know what a sperm donor is, right? Sorry, I did not go to a sperm bank. I met my child's father in person, and we are a betrothed couple, married in the eyes of this "God" every "Christian" denomination believes in.

You are nothing but a whore. Go ahead and toss around your 3 dollar words, it doesn't make you less of a whore. "Betrothed" is not married! The fact that you spread your legs for some demon and bore his spawn BEFORE being married in the sight of God, is proof positive that you know nothing of God's commandments. You spit in Christ's loving face with each breath you take. Enjoy hell.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

How offensive can you get? A witch telling True Christians™ which Bible to follow? Seriously?

Proof that the KJV is the ONLY True Word of God can be found HERE.

You are nothing but a whore. Go ahead and toss around your 3 dollar words, it doesn't make you less of a whore. "Betrothed" is not married! The fact that you spread your legs for some demon and bore his spawn BEFORE being married in the sight of God, is proof positive that you know nothing of God's commandments. You spit in Christ's loving face with each breath you take. Enjoy hell.

The bible was inspired by the book of Enoch. The bible was written by man. The King Jame version is mistranslated.

" that chasapah in Latin in Veneficium which can be a poisoner"

"In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in today's English usage for this verse."

Modern Pagans and Wiccans poison no one. Nor is a poisoner the same thing as a witch. And modern Pagans and Wiccans usually believe in harming no one.

In Medieval Europe, the church considered a betrothal binding and a betrothed couple to be married. Once you were betrothed, you were married, you could not back out of it without paying a penalty, and you would not get dispensation to marry another. You were considered married, especially were the betrothal consummated, and any child born within that betrothal was considered legitimate, so long as the church did not find (and usually they had to be bribed for this) a reason to annul it. The church believed that the Christian god considered a betrothed couple married.

Not to mention that a couple could be hand-fasted for a year and a day before an official marriage, and any child born within that year and a day was considered legitimate, even were the couple to not marry after a year and a day.

A hand-fasting was technically the same thing as a betrothal ceremony. All that was needed for either was for a couple to pledge their troth before witnesses.

And my boyfriend is human. He is not a demon.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

And by the way, none of this really has any baring on the Goth scene. It is not relevant to the reason I am here. Nor do your beliefs about sex before marriage have any baring on my religion. So why do you keep arguing about it anyway? Even if I were a member of the cult of Bacchus, your religion would still have no baring on my own, and would not be relevant to what the Goth scene is either.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: You wanted an introduction

It is not relevant to the reason I am here.

We know why you are here. Jesus made you come here and you could not resist His power over you.

GLORY!