[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You wanted an introduction

They're not Christian at all! Have you any idea how they brainwash their children?

To be honest with you, I only see two real categories:

True Christian- Saved, follow the Word of God, great at parties

Everyone Else: Unsaved Trash, as all who traipse these pages begin

Like two overlapping circles (yet not quite) there are many out there who seem to fit the die, yet are completely inadequate to be True Christian.

The way it makes sense to me is, we make allowances to other "sects" for the sake of argument, to differentiate from other groups of UT or EE. A mormon or a witness is just as hellbound as a muslim or buddhist, but their beliefs are sufficiently different as to warrant some separation during conversation.

Good Sister Mitza, I agree, they are not Christian at all. However, they are, marginally, better than a muslim or a catholic, because they at least follow some hollow shell of The Bible.

God Bless
DAM

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: You wanted an introduction

To be honest with you, I only see two real categories:

True Christian- Saved, follow the Word of God, great at parties

Everyone Else: Unsaved Trash, as all who traipse these pages begin

Like two overlapping circles (yet not quite) there are many out there who seem to fit the die, yet are completely inadequate to be True Christian.

The way it makes sense to me is, we make allowances to other "sects" for the sake of argument, to differentiate from other groups of UT or EE. A mormon or a witness is just as hellbound as a muslim or buddhist, but their beliefs are sufficiently different as to warrant some separation during conversation.

Good Sister Mitza, I agree, they are not Christian at all. However, they are, marginally, better than a muslim or a catholic, because they at least follow some hollow shell of The Bible.

God Bless
DAM

I agree there is only one category of damned. But within some of the protestant congregations there are a few who appreciate God's Love and leave. In order to do so, they must have heard His call and responded. When Jobo's hear that Call, they write their own "bible" (the New World abomination). Some of them do leave, but very rarely become Baptists preferring to hang out with low company in even more iniquitous dives than their own "kindom halls" if any more blasphemous name could be conjured. Jesus explains their situation:

LUKE 11
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
KJV

So although all damnation is equivalent, the circumstances of degredation preceding it are on a sliding scale: the demoniac becomes worse off than before.

Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, Unitarians and the like who become Baptists would not be in that category [subject to Pastorsal approval].

[Attila's Wife]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Good Sister Mitza, I agree, they are not Christian at all. However, they are, marginally, better than a muslim or a catholic, because they at least follow some hollow shell of The Bible.

They may be better, they may not, I'd need a Pastor's view on that to be sure. But one thing Jehovah's Witnesses are is REALLY, REALLY ANNOYING! More annoying than anyone else.

This is because they ring the doorbell and you think it's the guy come to read the electric meter, so you press the buzzer and next thing you know you have 2 crazy old women waving their tracts in your face, refusing to salute the flag on the way in. And then when you try to explain why they are WRONG, and why they will BURN IN HELL, they don't listen. They just keep smiling.

At least with Mormen you can ask about the magic underpants and they get offended and go away.

YiC
AW

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You wanted an introduction

They may be better, they may not, I'd need a Pastor's view on that to be sure. But one thing Jehovah's Witnesses are is REALLY, REALLY ANNOYING! More annoying than anyone else.

This is because they ring the doorbell and you think it's the guy come to read the electric meter, so you press the buzzer and next thing you know you have 2 crazy old women waving their tracts in your face, refusing to salute the flag on the way in. And then when you try to explain why they are WRONG, and why they will BURN IN HELL, they don't listen. They just keep smiling.

At least with Mormen you can ask about the magic underpants and they get offended and go away.

YiC
AW

Personally I think that the best thing Christians (True or otherwise) can do is set these freakish types to knock on each others doors. Mormon against muslim, jova against crishna, and so on. Get it to the point that the annoying are annoying, only each other.

God Bless

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

No, young 'lady', a hand fisting is not like being married. It is especially foul knowing you and your 'boyfriend' feel the need to have people watch you 'do it'.

Obviously, you don't know what "pledge your troth" means, nor what a hand-fasting is (or rather was during the Medieval era). Rather amusing, considering in another thread you people claim that Goths have a small vocabulary.

Listen, sweetheart, I have addressed you with several posts, in nothing but a friendly tone, and had asked and suggested various things for you to consider. You never offered any response to any of my concerns or suggestions, and you keep bringing up things that were never a part of my dialogue with you, like murder and rape, and now, your sexual relations with your betrothed, on which I never commented in the first place. As I said before - this is not a fair conversation: I am asking about X and you are answering about Y or Z, and with some rude side comments to boot.

Please, consider looking at a larger picture than your little Goth world (I know it seems enormous from the inside). Think of things in terms of eternal value (again, I realize, it might seem nebulous from a 23-year-old's point of view). I do not condone rape, murder or abuse of people on any grounds (including differences in religious beliefs or race or fashion). It is also against the law.

However, you cannot outlaw sin. You cannot outlaw evil. Taking down a website and shutting up the voices of those who disagree with you will not solve the problems you are attempting to address. Changing people's hearts is the only thing that will make a difference, for evil, my sweet, resides in the heart. Jeremiah 17:9. This is why I follow my God (not blindly, but quite consciously) and this is why I suggest that you (and everyone in the world) do the same. Not so they can think like I do, but do that their hearts might be changed and evil erased from them and replaced with goodness that comes only from above (James 1:17).

You are not the only person in this thread, and anything I have brought up has been to prove a point based on what has been said by some of the people here, or was listed on your website and Godhatesgoths.com, which you are affiliated with.

I have not made a single rude comment to anyone here, though I have had many thrown my way by members of your "church."

Why should I look at anything from a larger point of view? It has nothing to do with the topic that I came here to discuss. What was that you said about talking about y when someone else was talking about x?

You may not personally condone those things, but are you not reading the things your fellows have posted in this, and the other threads I have been responding in, or other threads on this site I have mentioned? It is very obvious that some of them have been/are condoning it. If you are part of the same religion, do you not share the same beliefs? I thought you had to follow the bible to the letter, which most people here are claiming means condoning those things? Goth is not a religion, not all Goths believe the same thing (unlike how a religion is supposed to be) yet most people here are insisting that all Goths condone (and even do) those things, even when we tell you we do not. Why should I not think differently of you, if you are defending Landover Baptist church?

No, even taking down Godhatesgoths.com, and taking down the false information about the Goth subculture (as a whole) will not effect the entire world and everyone in it's opinion or their actions. But just because something might have a small scale effect does not mean it should not be done. Putting one rapist in jail will not stop other people from doing it. Hitler being dead did not cause Nazism to cease existing. But that doesn't mean Hitler should have lived, or rapists should go free.

You know perfectly well Godhatesgoth.com can have an effect on how people think about the Goth scene. You know very well that when a group, especially one that is a Christain church (since many people look up to churches/Christians), says that it was okay for those kids to kill Sophie Lancaster, there are people (especially young people) who will be influenced by that statement. You also know that when this church says all Goths commit certain crimes and do disgusting things, that can influence the way people treat Goths, or anyone they perceive to be a Goth. And obviously, the entire Goth subculture is NOT responsible for Columbine. Even were those kids Goth, the entire Goth subculture would NOT be responsible for what they did. This goes for any crime. The statements you make CAN influence people to commit attacks, murder, rape, vandalism, etc., if you (and you know very well I mean the general you) are telling them those things are okay. And as the things said to influence people's opinions and actions towards Goths are based on incorrect information, it SHOULD be taken down.

Nor should anyone, regardless of what influence it may have on another, say things that are false, or without first doing proper research.

In other words, you're admitting that you never had a leg to stand on, and we are right.




Yet here you are, trying to convert us.

Do you even understand what the word convert means? Have I asked you or told you to become a Goth? No. I asked you/your church to do proper research before making unfounded accusations and using those unfounded accusations to influence people's opinions and actions towards an entire subculture. I didn't ask you to JOIN that subculture.

[Miss Tanith]

Re: You wanted an introduction

The only reason you are a goth is because you know in your heart that God loves you, and that scares you. You can't see Him, so you don't want to believe in Him, but you do. You worship your heathen gods (and Satan) in the hope that you might be able to deny God exists, but it's not working, is it? So you come here wishing that spreading lies will make yourself feel better. I hope that makes you feel good, I do, because burning in Hell for eternity will probably not be such a joyful experience that you hope it does. I know you love dancing around naked on hills; but maybe you should be questioning why it feels such an empty experience.

Look in your heart, you'll find the answer. In case you can't though, the answer is Jesus. He can save you. Accept His love today.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

You make me sick, talking about your little coffee klatch of new wavers as if you all are members of a persecuted minority.

Any time you want to, any time you decide the heat is too much to bear, you can very easily wash the white foundation and black lipstick off your pimply face, take off your A.F.I. tee shirt, and pass yourself off as a normal person.

Boom, problem solved, discrimination nipped in the bud!

Therefore, your whole, "Oh we're so persecuted and misunderstood by mainstream society" pity party is PROFOUNDLY offensive to Negroes, cripples, Mexicans, and other folks who have absolutely no choice about belonging to the marginalized groups they belong to.

Do you think a Negro wouldn't choose to be white if he could? Do you think a cripple wouldn't jump (OK, bad choice of words) at the opportunity to be able-bodied and stop being a drain on society? Do you think a Mexican wouldn't get down on his knees and thank almighty God if he woke up one day and discovered he'd turned into an Anglo-American?

Of course they would, because they all suffer real, demonstrable stigmatization because of deficiencies they were born with, deficiencies THEY DID NOT CHOOSE.

That you choose, ongoingly, to stigmatize yourself? When you could easily choose not to? Little lady, you are spitting in the face of every Negro, cripple and Mexican on this planet.

[Brother Larry]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Praise Jesus, Fat Whore I am so glad you found our friendly forums and I hope that you're feeling right at home. Something drew me to your introduction - I think it was the smell of burning flesh - LOL - but unfortunately, since I had Ramen noodles on the stove, and only had three minutes to read through all the posts, I may be somewhat ignorant of your situation. Let's summarize what I know so far:

You have an eating disorder which has kept you at 105 pounds; you are a witch, living with a homosexual who hates Christ (horrors!), and you've often fantasized about having sex with demons while Marilyn Manson serenades you as he kills babies and eats them with bacon and ranch dressing. You love music, which is wonderful since in 1 Samuel 18:6, we read: "And it came to passe as they came when Dauid was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meete king Saul, with tabrets, with ioy, and with instruments of musicke." You sound like a perfect candidate for the saving grace of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Black is a very slimming color, but I wonder if you might want to see if we can dress you a little more like someone worthy of our time and efforts. I am a fabulous stylist. In my former profession, I wore black often. Now I sometimes wear brown. I was feeling daring and wore grey yesterday (please don't share that with strangers!)

I am a bit concerned about one thing, sweetheart. We really shouldn't end sentences with prepositions if we are going to please Baby Jesus. I've seen a few instances of this in your posts. (Well, the ones I skimmed through, anyway)

Are you a terrorist? I know terrorists often end sentences in prepositions, just to keep the NSA guessing. Jesus frowns on terrorism, hon.

Do you like Ramen noodles?

Much love,
Brother Larry

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: You wanted an introduction

I am a fabulous stylist.

Is a Pastor aware of this? Is the DOF on holiday?

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men , leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind ,

1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

The only reason you are a goth is because you know in your heart that God loves you, and that scares you. You can't see Him, so you don't want to believe in Him, but you do. You worship your heathen gods (and Satan) in the hope that you might be able to deny God exists, but it's not working, is it? So you come here wishing that spreading lies will make yourself feel better. I hope that makes you feel good, I do, because burning in Hell for eternity will probably not be such a joyful experience that you hope it does. I know you love dancing around naked on hills; but maybe you should be questioning why it feels such an empty experience.

Look in your heart, you'll find the answer. In case you can't though, the answer is Jesus. He can save you. Accept His love today.

Yeah. I listen to music I think sounds good because I know a dead man loves me. You're darn right necrophilia is scary. Who wouldn't be scared of that? /end sarcasm

Seriously though, what lies am I spreading? Other than none? Your website is the one spreading lies? I'm fat? Lie. I'm a crackwhore/all goths are crackwhores? Lies. Goths eat babies? Lies. All Goths are responsible for Columbine? Lies. The kids who committed that atrocity were Goths? Lies. Cannibal Corpse is Goth? Lies. All goths are child abusers and molesters? Lies. Varg is Goth? Lies. Modern Pagans worship Satan? Lies. Hitler was Goth? Lies. Sophie Lancaster deserved to die? Lies. All Goths drink urine? Lies. I'm Pagan so I must love dancing around naked on hills? Lies. Anyone who comes to this site can't really want to defend the Goth scene, they must be here because they want to be converted? Lies. Etc., etc.,

You make me sick, talking about your little coffee klatch of new wavers as if you all are members of a persecuted minority.

Any time you want to, any time you decide the heat is too much to bear, you can very easily wash the white foundation and black lipstick off your pimply face, take off your A.F.I. tee shirt, and pass yourself off as a normal person.

Boom, problem solved, discrimination nipped in the bud!

Therefore, your whole, "Oh we're so persecuted and misunderstood by mainstream society" pity party is PROFOUNDLY offensive to Negroes, cripples, Mexicans, and other folks who have absolutely no choice about belonging to the marginalized groups they belong to.

Do you think a Negro wouldn't choose to be white if he could? Do you think a cripple wouldn't jump (OK, bad choice of words) at the opportunity to be able-bodied and stop being a drain on society? Do you think a Mexican wouldn't get down on his knees and thank almighty God if he woke up one day and discovered he'd turned into an Anglo-American?

Of course they would, because they all suffer real, demonstrable stigmatization because of deficiencies they were born with, deficiencies THEY DID NOT CHOOSE.

That you choose, ongoingly, to stigmatize yourself? When you could easily choose not to? Little lady, you are spitting in the face of every Negro, cripple and Mexican on this planet.

I don't have pimples and I don't wear make-up. And AFI are not Goth. And why should anyone have to stop being who they are to get other people to not be a bunch of intolerant assholes to them? That is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Why don't you learn to accept people for who they are and treat them like PEOPLE. Anytime you want, you can stop being a bunch of ignorant bigoted people who don't know how to research anything. Any time you want you can learn to accept that people are not all the same, and be kind.Then maybe most of the U.S., and even the U.K. will stop thinking you're a bunch of stupid redneck hicks that aren't worth the time of day.

People have the right to be who they are and they have the right to not be attacked for it. There is nothing wrong with being Goth. Most Goths have not done anything worth deserving such treatment.

And no, not all Negros, etc., would be white if they could. Some people are proud of their race and heritage. And some people actually cripple themselves, or would rather try and take advantage of the government when something happens to them.

Being Goth and wanting people to treat Goths who have done nothing wrong decently is not spitting in anyone's face.

Praise Jesus, Fat Whore I am so glad you found our friendly forums and I hope that you're feeling right at home. Something drew me to your introduction - I think it was the smell of burning flesh - LOL - but unfortunately, since I had Ramen noodles on the stove, and only had three minutes to read through all the posts, I may be somewhat ignorant of your situation. Let's summarize what I know so far:

You have an eating disorder which has kept you at 105 pounds; you are a witch, living with a homosexual who hates Christ (horrors!), and you've often fantasized about having sex with demons while Marilyn Manson serenades you as he kills babies and eats them with bacon and ranch dressing. You love music, which is wonderful since in 1 Samuel 18:6, we read: "And it came to passe as they came when Dauid was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meete king Saul, with tabrets, with ioy, and with instruments of musicke." You sound like a perfect candidate for the saving grace of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Black is a very slimming color, but I wonder if you might want to see if we can dress you a little more like someone worthy of our time and efforts. I am a fabulous stylist. In my former profession, I wore black often. Now I sometimes wear brown. I was feeling daring and wore grey yesterday (please don't share that with strangers!)

I am a bit concerned about one thing, sweetheart. We really shouldn't end sentences with prepositions if we are going to please Baby Jesus. I've seen a few instances of this in your posts. (Well, the ones I skimmed through, anyway)

Are you a terrorist? I know terrorists often end sentences in prepositions, just to keep the NSA guessing. Jesus frowns on terrorism, hon.

Do you like Ramen noodles?

Much love,
Brother Larry

You are obviously not a doctor or nutrition expert, or you would know that being 105 lbs does not mean you have an eating disorder. The correct weight for someone who has a slight build and is 5'1, is between 100-110 lbs.

Yes I am a witch. So what?

What homosexual? I live with my boyfriend who is a Christian.

Most Goths, myself included, can't stand Marilyn Manson. The man has absolutely no talent.

As I said before, Goths don't wear ONLY black. Mos Goths wear colour quite often. All you have to do is look up Goth models or festivals or even pictures from Goth clubs to see this is true.

No I'm sorry, but I cook and eat REAL food not already prepared or pre-cooked unhealthy junk.

[James Hutchins]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Friend, all decent people have already explained to you the loving realities of pure Christian living. You have readily admitted you people kill innocent people and drink their blood. Others (like you) work the streets like whores.

You boyfriend is no Christian, he is a non-Christian rapist. A Christian does not live with witches. They burn them as God prescribes in the KJV Bible. I am surprised his talleywacker has not rotted and fallen off after being in your diseased and foul cooter.

[Brother Larry]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Sweet potatoes and apple juice, hon. Did a house fall on your sister? I was trying to welcome you to our friendly forums and instead you react to me as if I walked in on you and your homosexual boyfriend eating Ramen noodles (or perhaps an infant?).

You are obviously not a doctor or nutrition expert, or you would know that being 105 lbs does not mean you have an eating disorder. The correct weight for someone who has a slight build and is 5'1, is between 100-110 lbs.

Your observations about my lack of medical background are unusually astute for someone that is obviously suffering from malnutrition. If Twinkies have returned to your store shelves, may I recommend a box or two? (None of those impostors, either.)

Yes I am a witch. So what?

How about Micah 5:12: "And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand, and thou shalt haue no more Southsayers." Micah is a personal friend of our senior pastor - he calls him Mike.

What homosexual? I live with my boyfriend who is a Christian.

LOL. Just remember, satan is a liar.

Most Goths, myself included, can't stand Marilyn Manson. The man has absolutely no talent.

PRAISE GOD, you have taste.

No I'm sorry, but I cook and eat REAL food not already prepared or pre-cooked unhealthy junk.

No wonder you are fat. Now if we could just determine the reason for your falling into sexual sins, there's a chance for your soul.

Is there a Jenny Craig close by?

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Yeah. I listen to music I think sounds good because I know a dead man loves me. You're darn right necrophilia is scary. Who wouldn't be scared of that? /end sarcasm

Seriously though, what lies am I spreading? Other than none? Your website is the one spreading lies? I'm fat? Lie. I'm a crackwhore/all goths are crackwhores? Lies. Goths eat babies? Lies. All Goths are responsible for Columbine? Lies. The kids who committed that atrocity were Goths? Lies. Cannibal Corpse is Goth? Lies. All goths are child abusers and molesters? Lies. Varg is Goth? Lies. Modern Pagans worship Satan? Lies. Hitler was Goth? Lies. Sophie Lancaster deserved to die? Lies. All Goths drink urine? Lies. I'm Pagan so I must love dancing around naked on hills? Lies.

Get over yourself, you vain goth whore. Me, me, me, that's all I ever see you write, blah blah blah.

The next time you try to defend an entire group of people, you will be more successful when spewing a narcissistic diatribe that nobody wants to read.

Anyone who comes to this site can't really want to defend the Goth scene, they must be here because they want to be converted? Lies. Etc., etc.,

Conversion...eh debatable. Corruption, that is absolutely what you're trying to do.



2 Peter 2:19 - While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Galatians 6:8 - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Acts 2:27 - Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

I don't ....more self-adoration

Seriously? I think we're all a little tired of you loving on yourself

That is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Why don't you learn to accept people for who they are and treat them like PEOPLE.

Because The Bible tells us we need to help people be better. What do you have against self improvement?


Galatians 6:1 - Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Timothy 4:2 - Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Anytime you want, you can stop being a bunch of ignorant bigoted people who don't know how to research anything. Any time you want you can learn to accept that people are not all the same, and be kind.Then maybe most of the U.S., and even the U.K. will stop thinking you're a bunch of stupid redneck hicks that aren't worth the time of day.

Anytime you want, you can stop persecuting us for our beliefs and/or come to Jesus.

People have the right to be who they are and they have the right to not be attacked for it. There is nothing wrong with being Goth. Most Goths have not done anything worth deserving such treatment.

Let's keep things in perspective. All anyone has to do to avoid this "treatment" is be a normal Christian.

They could also avoid websites that hurt their wittle fiewings.

And no, not all Negros, etc., would be white if they could. Some people are proud of their race and heritage. And some people actually cripple themselves, or would rather try and take advantage of the government when something happens to them.

Oh and I'm so sure there are gays that don't want to be straight too. Get serious

Being Goth and wanting people to treat Goths who have done nothing wrong decently is not spitting in anyone's face.

You invite ridicule by creating an exclusive pariah subgroup that perpetuates and celebrates deviant behavior.

Faith_Machine has a valid point, you made a choice to set yourselves apart from normal people, you have no grounds to whine when you are treated differently than real people.

You are obviously not a doctor or nutrition expert, or you would know that being 105 lbs does not mean you have an eating disorder. The correct weight for someone who has a slight build and is 5'1, is between 100-110 lbs.

Only because there are a lot of fat Americans does that seem normal.

Yes I am a witch. So what?

Deuteronomy 18:10 - There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

Lay off the woo, you are hardly a witch. You read some random chapter in a survey book on mythology and said "Yes, I will try to believe this"

What homosexual? I live with my boyfriend who is a Christian.

If he thinks you're a witch, he is no Christian.

This thread has become so circular, and your whining so insipid, I'm becoming a little queasy.

Jesus wants you to grovel for salvation, and if you're not approaching that goal, I really don't see any need for you to continue posting here.

Perhaps, moving forward, you can begin every post with some Scripture, just something thought provoking, or profoundly comforting.

That way we at least know you're interested in having an intelligent discussion.

God Bless
DAM

[Faith_Machine]

Re: You wanted an introduction

And AFI are not Goth.

And neither are you, so I'm sure you own a few of their tee shirts.

People have the right to be who they are and they have the right to not be attacked for it.

And we have the right to choose who we will associate with, and make our own decisions about who has earned our respect and who hasn't.

You are no better than a homosexual trying to adopt children so he can force his "lifestyle" upon them.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: You wanted an introduction

Friend, all decent people have already explained to you the loving realities of pure Christian living. You have readily admitted you people kill innocent people and drink their blood. Others (like you) work the streets like whores.

You boyfriend is no Christian, he is a non-Christian rapist. A Christian does not live with witches. They burn them as God prescribes in the KJV Bible. I am surprised his talleywacker has not rotted and fallen off after being in your diseased and foul cooter.

Really? I've admitted this? Are you delusional?

My boyfriend is a rapist? Really? Where do you come up with this crap?

Sweet potatoes and apple juice, hon. Did a house fall on your sister? I was trying to welcome you to our friendly forums and instead you react to me as if I walked in on you and your homosexual boyfriend eating Ramen noodles (or perhaps an infant?).

You are obviously not a doctor or nutrition expert, or you would know that being 105 lbs does not mean you have an eating disorder. The correct weight for someone who has a slight build and is 5'1, is between 100-110 lbs.

Your observations about my lack of medical background are unusually astute for someone that is obviously suffering from malnutrition. If Twinkies have returned to your store shelves, may I recommend a box or two? (None of those impostors, either.)

Yes I am a witch. So what?

How about Micah 5:12: "And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand, and thou shalt haue no more Southsayers." Micah is a personal friend of our senior pastor - he calls him Mike.

What homosexual? I live with my boyfriend who is a Christian.

LOL. Just remember, satan is a liar.

Most Goths, myself included, can't stand Marilyn Manson. The man has absolutely no talent.

PRAISE GOD, you have taste.

No I'm sorry, but I cook and eat REAL food not already prepared or pre-cooked unhealthy junk.

No wonder you are fat. Now if we could just determine the reason for your falling into sexual sins, there's a chance for your soul.

Is there a Jenny Craig close by?

I'd still love to know how exactly my boyfriend could possibly be homosexual when he is a man and I am a woman.

Also, how exactly are you trying to welcome anyone? You sit there calling me a "fat whore" then go on to say that I'm obviously suffering from an eating disorder, among other BS.. You are not trying to welcome anyone, you're trying to insult them and being nothing but RUDE and slanderous.

I suggest you actually go learn something about nutrition and talk to a doctor before making ignorant accusations. You really have no clue what you're talking about. And are you really going to suggest someone eat something as unhealthy and fattening as a Twinkie? Are you one of those humungous sad excuses for a human being that can't fit into their car and rides around Walmart moaning "Oooooooo. I'm disabled because I can't stop eating. Oooooooooooooo. I can't walk, gravity hates my fat rolls"?

Have you ever heard of freedom of religion? If you have a problem with it, maybe you should move to another country.

How exactly does home-cooked decent meals make someone fat? You're hilarious.

And by the way, you cannot be both fat and malnourished. Please stop fishing and try to be the nice welcoming person you claim. I know it's hard, but you can't give up! I'm sure there has to be a nice bone somewhere in your body!

"Corruption, that is absolutely what you're trying to do."

No, it's not corruption either.

"Seriously? I think we're all a little tired of you loving on yourself"

If you do not want people to defend themselves and tell you the TRUTH, why don't you stop slandering them and get to know them? It is not vanity to defend yourself. But then you probably find the dictionary about as hard to understand as you apparently find the bible.

"Because The Bible tells us we need to help people be better. What do you have against self improvement?"

Trying to change who someone is is not an improvement, unless who they are is a bad person.

"Anytime you want, you can stop persecuting us for our beliefs and/or come to Jesus."

No one is persecuting you for anything. Quite the opposite in fact.

"Let's keep things in perspective. All anyone has to do to avoid this "treatment" is be a normal Christian."

I will say again. You are utterly ridiculous. Not everyone needs to be Christian. Everyone needs to be true to themselves and what they like/what is right for them. What everyone does need to do is be more tolerant.

"Oh and I'm so sure there are gays that don't want to be straight too. Get serious"

There are gays who do not want to be straight. Probably more than want to be straight. Some people are happy being themselves, not having other people tell them what to be. But as you base your entire life on what a dead person tells you to do, I know that's hard for you to understand.

"You invite ridicule by creating an exclusive pariah subgroup that perpetuates and celebrates deviant behavior. "

Are you talking to me? Because my "subgroup" doesn't celebrate deviant behavior. You must be thinking of another group. Please stop confusing different groups.

"Faith_Machine has a valid point, you made a choice to set yourselves apart from normal people, you have no grounds to whine when you are treated differently than real people."

The law disagrees with you. Morality disagrees with you, but then the only way you can discern what morals to have (apparently) is by looking at an outdated book written by a dead man, who based his words on the traditions and laws of the time period he lived in.

"Only because there are a lot of fat Americans does that seem normal."

While this is true, nutrition experts are not basing a 100-110 lb scale on the average size. They're basing it on what is normal and healthy. It's rather amusing that you insist on calling someone who eats right, works out, and has a toned 23 inch waist (when the average American women's waist is actually a fat 28-29) a "fat whore", just because you WANT to believe all Goths are fat, even when you've been proven wrong multiple times. This would be considered delusional, you know.

"Lay off the woo, you are hardly a witch. You read some random chapter in a survey book on mythology and said "Yes, I will try to believe this"

Some random chapter? I've studied mythology since I was 3. I've been a practicing witch for 14 years.

"If he thinks you're a witch, he is no Christian."

Because of course, no one can date or marry outside their own religion. This has not been true for how many centuries now?

"I really don't see any need for you to continue posting here."

But I do. You're still making unfounded and rude accusations about people who have done nothing to you.

"Perhaps, moving forward, you can begin every post with some Scripture,"

And it harm none, do what thee will.

"That way we at least know you're interested in having an intelligent discussion."

How can someone have an intelligent discussion with people lacking in intellect?

Intelligent: Have you done any research on this subject? Can you provide evidence to back up your claims? Here I will provide you with evidence showing that such and such claim you have made is not true. You cannot expect people to stop being Goth based on the things you say, without proving what you say is true.

Lacking in intellect: Uh der...yer a fat devil-worshiping baby eater. Uh der der der.

"And neither are you, so I'm sure you own a few of their tee shirts."

No. I own a DIY Bauhaus shirt, a Drowning Season shirt, and a Misfits shirt. I don't own a single thing pertaining to AFI and I never will. They're not part of any genre I like, and they're annoying to boot.

It really doesn't bother me if you think I'm Goth or not. I know what I am, what I listen to. The opinion of a bunch of people, who really can't distinguish between Sisters of Mercy and Cannibal Corpse or Marilyn Manson, on whether I'm Goth or not really doesn't bother me.

"And we have the right to choose who we will associate with, and make our own decisions about who has earned our respect and who hasn't."

Yes, you have the right to choose who you associate with, but it is not right to spread rumours and slander about the people you do not wish to associate with. Respecting someone and not being an asshole are different things. My boyfriend doesn't respect the guy who parks crooked and over the line, but he doesn't smash the guy's car either.

"You are no better than a homosexual trying to adopt children so he can force his "lifestyle" upon them."

Now that is a ridiculous comparison and rude statement to make. I am not trying to force my lifestyle on anyone, and you know it. Nor is not wanting people attacked for listening to a genre of music anywhere near the same thing as trying to force people to be homosexual.