[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Greetings

Show me 1 verse JUST 1 verse that supports that our God is a god of hate (that is not taken WAY out of context) and I will say you are right. I cannot ever make my self believe "the elect" that God brings to him and let the others die. My church teaches it but I cannot wrap my mind around why God would elect a few, and lead others astray. According to you, our god is a god of hate. Sure that makes sense (not really)

Well, the Bible does say it, does it not? Yes, it does. And in fact, it says it in so many words...

Romans 11:7: What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

So if God wants to damn everyone and save a ridiculously small percentage of the world like He did in the days of the great flood (I Peter 3:20-21), we can only accept it and move on (Matthew 7:13-14; 21-23).

Yes, God hates (and therefore, we hate) an awful lot of people, but don't make the mistake of thinking about the Bible or why it says something. That leads to infidelity and atheism (see I Timothy 6:20-21). Rather than worrying about wrapping our minds around this or that or how "extreme" we supposedly are, why not just read the Bible from cover to cover and do absolutely everything it says, realizing that anyone who doesn't is better off never having been born?

Can I get an amen on that?

Regards,

Pastor Ed

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Greetings

Can I get an amen on that?

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

I said I cannot argue with you people because I did not come here prepared for a "debate" on this. I have some friends I have asked to give me some helpful verses. BTW, those verses you all gave me where about God telling the Israelites to destroy other nations so they would not go astray. No i am not on drugs. Is it true this is a joke forum? I did some background checking on Landover Baptist's history.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Greetings

I said I cannot argue with you people because I did not come here prepared for a "debate" on this. I have some friends I have asked to give me some helpful verses. BTW, those verses you all gave me where about God telling the Israelites to destroy other nations so they would not go astray. No i am not on drugs. Is it true this is a joke forum? I did some background checking on Landover Baptist's history.

You say you didn't come here for debate, yet you have attempted (and failed) to debate us. You say you have friends who have given you helpful verses, but they are the same tired old Google results that other Jesus-haters have given thousands of times before. You ask if this is a joke and I ask you: is your eternal salvation a laughing matter?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

You say you didn't come here for debate, yet you have attempted (and failed) to debate us. You say you have friends who have given you helpful verses, but they are the same tired old Google results that other Jesus-haters have given thousands of times before. You ask if this is a joke and I ask you: is your eternal salvation a laughing matter?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I did not google these verses. I don't how I failed, your verses where out of context, mine where not. If you can't see that, that is your problem. If only you knew who my "Friends" are, you would be humbled. But I won't talk any more about it until they have finished their research.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Greetings

I did not google these verses. I don't how I failed, your verses where out of context, mine where not. If you can't see that, that is your problem. If only you knew who my "Friends" are, you would be humbled. But I won't talk any more about it until they have finished their research.

Say, why don't you invite them here!

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Greetings

I did not google these verses. I don't how I failed, your verses where out of context, mine where not. If you can't see that, that is your problem. If only you knew who my "Friends" are, you would be humbled. But I won't talk any more about it until they have finished their research.

Please, invite your so-called "friends" here...hopefully their logic skills surpass your own. I hope they are a bunch of "doctors" like yourself!!!

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Please, invite your so-called "friends" here...hopefully their logic skills surpass your own. I hope they are a bunch of "doctors" like yourself!!!

They may not be real doctors, but they may be construction workers since (if this clown is any indication) they can sure cherry-pick well.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Greetings

I did not google these verses. I don't how I failed, your verses where out of context, mine where not. If you can't see that, that is your problem. If only you knew who my "Friends" are, you would be humbled. But I won't talk any more about it until they have finished their research.

Hi .
Thank you for responding to our comments. Asking questions is a fantastic way to learn things and I'm glad to see that you are serious in your endeavour to understand God's Inerrant Word. Not everyone's answers are equally reliable, however.

For example, some of the evolutionists we get here really don't seem to have read Darwin. Which, frankly, disappoints me. His hypothesis was distilled from debates of the 18th & early 19th centuries, from observations made during a voyage of HMS Beagle from 1831 to 1836 and crystalised into the better known theory over 20 years [Journal and Remarks 1839; On the Origin of Species 1859].

You'd think the champions of his theory would at least have read it wouldn't you? Even if they hadn't understood it. But invariably they have done neither. And I was like that too, never really having read The Bible and yet feeling some certainty that I'd understood it, at least in principle (I had thought). But I was mistaken. I had not understood it and had not really read it. By asking questions and looking at what God had actually said I was better informed, and now I don't need to look up verses because I've read The Bible and take the trouble to remember what I've read. I can recommend this approoach.

Recently I was asked to accompany some secular types to a series of lectures which were sort of interesting, especially when one of the lecturers forgot he was holding some apparatus and needed to wave his arms a bit to demonatrate something and let go of it and it crashed to the floor, and the question of magnetic monopoles came up. If they existed, he said, certain anomalies would evaporate. Sort of like the reverse process of Darwin's hypothesis condensing, I thought, but unfortunately there aren't any magnetic monopoles and so the anomaly remains.

That is rather like your God. What He has said—and please note that I do not quote Scripture "out of context"—and how you imagine Him to be do not add up. There is an anomaly. To postulate the God you have described to us is rather like those science geeks postulating their monopoles. It would be graet if they did exist, but they don't. Or at least no-one has yet found one. They need to look elsewhere to resolve their anomaly. And similarly to resolve the discontinuity between God's Word and how you would like Him to be, you need to look elsewhere. It is very encouraging to see you asking questions and I am happy to recommend that you start reading The Bible to learn what God is actually like.

I know that then the world you currently find perplexing will start to make sense at last. Here is a link which you can follow chapter by chapter (and it has some nice colourised engravings which you can enlarge: they make a handy desktop).

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[Freddy Osborne]

Re: Greetings

I did not google these verses. I don't how I failed, your verses where out of context, mine where not. If you can't see that, that is your problem. If only you knew who my "Friends" are, you would be humbled. But I won't talk any more about it until they have finished their research.

No offense, doc. But I'll stick with my friend.

John Chapter 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: Greetings

I think that one of the main issues here is that atheism and evolution are gaining ground against the 'Church'. I'm using a very broad definition of the 'Church' to include all those faux Christians and Churches who call themselves Christians.


Because of this, the 'Church' is losing influence and capital. In an attempt to reverse the trend, the 'Church' has had to change its message to one of love and cuddliness. This has the effect of roping in the disaffected, the poor, the grieving, the vulnerable. It also has the effect of giving that 'feel good' emotion to those who are not so vulnerable.


'Churches' no longer preach about hellfire and brimstone. They no longer tell us what God hates. These days it's all about fluffy bunnies. It's all about what Sunday Schools teach to infants. "Jesus Loves Me" etc. But that is not Christianity; it is not what the Bible tells us. It's a perversion of what Christ told us. Christ preached to us as adults, not as infants. This perversion of Christianity has now become mainstream Christianity.


Christianity is following the Word of God and His Son, Jesus. And the only place that word is found is in the Bible. It's not found in the pulpits of very many 'Churches' today. It's enough to make Jesus weep.

[M. Mansfield, MD]

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My amazing wife, Jennifer, is always telling me to keep it simple. I'll be performing surgery on a patient and she'll call me in the middle of it to tell me to just relax, that God has His hand on mine guiding me to repair my patient's problem; all I have to do is let God work through me. Then, instead of worrying that I'm going to remove someone's pancreas when all he needed was repair of a deviated septum, I begin to feel good about being a doctor again. Instead of making it hard, I keep it quick and easy.

The original poster of this thread seems to think the Bible is so terribly tough. When I mentioned this to my beautiful wife, Jennifer, she recommended that I direct our friend to John 11:35. In this one scripture, we learn many things.

"Jesus wept." It's rather hard to turn this scripture into something that it isn't. So let's take the simple fact that the Bible is the unwavering and perfect Word of God. We know this because - wow - it tells us so. We have seen throughout the history of the world countless times when the Bible has been used as a basis for the actions of mankind: "I did it because the Bible tells me to." "My Bible says to trust and believe, so I do."

If I take this short, sweet, wee, tiny, infinitesimal scripture and try to twist it, I will look like a fool. My kind wife, Jennifer, did not marry a fool. I'm a doctor, for pity's sake. If I say this scripture is telling me that Jesus did not weep, but he cried like a little pussy, I am taking away from the meaning of scripture. The Bible tells me not to do that.

Revelation 22:18
For I testifie vnto euery man that heareth the wordes of the prophesie of this booke, If any man shal adde vnto these things, God shall adde vnto him the plagues, that are written in this booke.

It is not an assumption to say that what John was describing is the act of Jesus weeping. He wasn't turning water into wine. He wasn't raising the dead. He wasn't feeding 5000 people the best seafood they'd ever had. (Although he could have chosen to do anything at that moment, Glory to His Name). No, friend. Quite simply, He wept.

Praise God, because of the continuity of the Holy Bible, because of its glorious ability to answer any possible question we might ask, I can know that verses with more than two words will be equally applicable to my life as a Christian. If God tells me that I must discipline my incredible wife, Jennifer, then I must. Bottom line: keep it simple. The followers of Christ are quite simple because this is how our Lord wants us to be.

God wants us to believe His Word, to follow every instruction found therein.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,

Hallelujah! Friend, from Genesis to Revelation, we can find all the education we need to draw near to our Savior. When it starts getting tough, just remember: Jesus wept. It's really that simple.

My darling wife, Jennifer, wouldn't steer me wrong. Glory!