[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

That's a non sequitur. Does a chicken farmer confine himself to acting in accordance with the psychological processes of chickens, or does he use his superior human intellect to impose his own will on them?

Does he tell the chickens to do his bidding? Does he say: Go back to your hen and lay some eggs for me
No, he makes the chickens move by cutting of all other ways out, except the one that leads to the hen. There he made some nests for the chicken to lay the eggs in. So yeah, he uses ways that the chicken can understand and that are logical to the chicken. So thank you for proving my point

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

If there is a God, I believe that he acts in a way that agree with psychological processes. I would believe that he knows those processes and uses them to actually help people. So for your answer: no I do not believe your bible to the letter.

If you do not believe in the Bible, where do you get your ideas about God from? How much of the Bible do you accept or reject? Do you believe Jesus really lived and was crucified, for example? Do you believe God created the world in seven days? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Where do you define what is right or wrong? It's all based on what you THINK, you MAKE YOUR OWN GOD UP, and that son, is called idolatry. You are an evil vile sinner and God hates you for ignoring the Bible! REPENT.

That is the deal with self-fullfilling prophecies: they give unfair advantages to some and unfair disadvantages to others. But when people know how this stuff works, they won't make the prophecies or the effect of them will be nullified.

But nobody knows the prophecies except God. Therefore, our actions can't be based on them.

Actually, there is a God (the Authority) in the books. Only he is not all powerfull like you think God is. He is more like how I see the world: that everything has a beginning and an end (the Authority dies in the books). And of course the ending of the books is briliant. You have all these pwerful characters and the biggest war ever seen, but the clue of the series is actually about a child growing up.

What does this have to do with Jesus? The very nature of God is that He is Almighty, Eternal, and Immortal. By writing a book with a character who does not possess these traits, you are essentially writing a book that does not feature God.

I see human behaviour as good, deep down. I saw people reanimating victims after the crash, others helping people find their loved ones, still others conforting total strangers. People help each other. If that is against your God, then I rather would be human than a supporter of Him.

Since you are such a psychology-oriented guy, didn't Freud teach people are instinctively really only interested in making things better for themselves?

Let me explain by writing about my parents. My mother is a great woman, only she has the impulse to want things and blurting them out to my father. These things mostly concern where to go on holidays and what to do ("I want to go deep sea diving" "I want to go to Egypt" "I want to go to South Afrika" you get the picture). In some parts she does that because she knows (and also my brothers and I) that my father gets irritated by that.

Well, I hope your father puts her in line when she shows such disgusting behavior!

Five years ago, on their 25th wedding anniversary, my father got the question, Why are you still with her, with all those ideas of her?

Because divorce is evil!

His answer was: Because it never gets bored with these crazy ideas of her.

Wow, are you sure he's really a man? Are you the adopted child of a lesbian couple?

So having a woman that sits at home, waiting for me doing everthing I want her to do: that is boring to me. I actually want to have to try to convince her of my right. Yes, maybe that will mean that I am not right all the time, but for me it is more about the journey (the trying) than the destination (the having right).

Then you and your wife will burn in hell just like your father and mother probably will. It's your job to keep her in line so she behaves. Why do you want to send your future wife to hell? Do you really hate her that much?

Just call me a critical thinker.

A critical thinker who decides what real and not by how he feels about the,

Don't worry, any reliable source will do (such as scientifical reports that are actually done correctly).

What on earth is a scientifical report?

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

If you do not believe in the Bible, where do you get your ideas about God from? How much of the Bible do you accept or reject? Do you believe Jesus really lived and was crucified, for example? Do you believe God created the world in seven days? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Where do you define what is right or wrong? It's all based on what you THINK, you MAKE YOUR OWN GOD UP, and that son, is called idolatry. You are an evil vile sinner and God hates you for ignoring the Bible! REPENT.

I define what is right and what is wrong by looking at how actions affect people. shortly by the bend: all the actions that help people are what I consider good, all the actions that hurt people are bad.
Take the assault last week. Many people got hurt (either directly or indirectly) so it was a bad thing.

But nobody knows the prophecies except God. Therefore, our actions can't be based on them.

They can, when you believe that our actions are caused by a God. And that was what has been suggested in this topic.

What does this have to do with Jesus? The very nature of God is that He is Almighty, Eternal, and Immortal. By writing a book with a character who does not possess these traits, you are essentially writing a book that does not feature God.

To me, it shows a God that seems more real to me that your God. I for one cannot imagine somthing that is Eternal. Everything that has a beginning must have an end. So why should your God be any different?

Since you are such a psychology-oriented guy, didn't Freud teach people are instinctively really only interested in making things better for themselves?

Psychology is much more than Freud. Not all theories have been proven to be true.
Now we could hold a discussion about whether altruism actually exists or that everybody acts egocentristic, but that would take a long time.

Well, I hope your father puts her in line when she shows such disgusting behavior!

No he doesn´t. He accepts that my mother is that way and sometimes, it actually leads to great ideas (such as visiting Egypt with the family a couple of years ago). And I would not consider it disgusting behaviour.

Because divorce is evil!

No, it is not. It is evil to keep people together who can't stand each other anymore. Luckily my parents still love each other, so they do not need to get divorced.

Wow, are you sure he's really a man? Are you the adopted child of a lesbian couple?

I am sure.

Then you and your wife will burn in hell just like your father and mother probably will. It's your job to keep her in line so she behaves. Why do you want to send your future wife to hell? Do you really hate her that much?

I do not believe in hell, so I do not have to worry about her getting there.

What on earth is a scientifical report?

A report on a research that has been published in a scientific journal. That way, you know for certain to find the description of how the study has been conducted and you can see whether the study is valid or that they messed up.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

I define what is right and what is wrong by looking at how actions affect people. shortly by the bend: all the actions that help people are what I consider good, all the actions that hurt people are bad.

I was not questioning your beliefs in right or wrong. I was questioning your beliefs in God.

Take the assault last week. Many people got hurt (either directly or indirectly) so it was a bad thing.

But what if hurting someone now stops worse hurt later on?

They can, when you believe that our actions are caused by a God. And that was what has been suggested in this topic.

...what?

it shows a God that seems more real to me that your God. I for one cannot imagine somthing that is Eternal. Everything that has a beginning must have an end. So why should your God be any different?

So you accept that an invisible powerful, all-loving force exists that created the universe out of nothing, and that he plans on sending people into heaven after they die - but you can't accept that this being is immortal?

Psychology is much more than Freud. Not all theories have been proven to be true.

That is true. I prefer James Dobson to be honest. Now HE understand how people behave!

ow we could hold a discussion about whether altruism actually exists or that everybody acts egocentristic, but that would take a long time.

You just know I'd win.

No he doesn´t. He accepts that my mother is that way and sometimes, it actually leads to great ideas (such as visiting Egypt with the family a couple of years ago). And I would not consider it disgusting behaviour.

A woman speaking out of place and trying to have authority over her husband is abhorrent to the Lord.

No, it is not. It is evil to keep people together who can't stand each other anymore. Luckily my parents still love each other, so they do not need to get divorced.

Who said marriage is about love? It's about making babies to grow up to be soldiers of God.

I am sure.

No wonder you're so messed up.

I do not believe in hell, so I do not have to worry about her getting there.

But you do believe in heaven?

A report on a research that has been published in a scientific journal. That way, you know for certain to find the description of how the study has been conducted and you can see whether the study is valid or that they messed up.

So, scientifical reports are written in scientific journals?

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

I was not questioning your beliefs in right or wrong. I was questioning your beliefs in God.
...
So you accept that an invisible powerful, all-loving force exists that created the universe out of nothing, and that he plans on sending people into heaven after they die - but you can't accept that this being is immortal?

There you have it. I do not believe in a God. To be honest, I could care less whether everything was created by a God or by some big blast or something. I want to focus on what we have now (this world) and how we can actually mean somthing for it, trying to improve it. My idea would be to focus first on the problems at hand, instead on how everything started.

But what if hurting someone now stops worse hurt later on?

True, then you should choose for the lesser hurt. Still, you could help them when they are hurt that way.

...what?

It was said that God knows about selffulfilling prophecies and that he controls our actions. That way he should know how those prophecies work and should not condemn people randomly, because he knows the effect this will have on people.

You just know I'd win.

What is your opinion about it then?

A woman speaking out of place and trying to have authority over her husband is abhorrent to the Lord.

Oh she is not trying to have authority over him. Neither is he over her. Both understand (and that is what I appreciate about them) that their relationship is about equivalence. They complement each other in a way and they love each other very much.

Who said marriage is about love? It's about making babies to grow up to be soldiers of God.

That is your opinion of marriage. I think, and so do the people around me, that marriage should be about love.

No wonder you're so messed up.

I talked to my mother one time about being in love with woman. She told me that she had never been in love with, nor expects to ever fall in love with another woman. Adding the fact that my parents DID get married out of love, we can only conclude that my father is indeed a man .
Plus my grandparents refer to him as a he. And they would know, seeing they are his parents.

But you do believe in heaven?

No I do not.

So, scientifical reports are written in scientific journals?

That's right .

[Nobar King]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

For someone who does not believe in the One and Only True God, you sure do have a lot of opinions about Him. Why do you spend so much time thinking about God?? I wonder...

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

For someone who does not believe in the One and Only True God, you sure do have a lot of opinions about Him. Why do you spend so much time thinking about God?? I wonder...

I do not believe in him after having thought so much about it, having formed opinions. Chicken and the egg story, my friend.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

There you have it. I do not believe in a God. To be honest, I could care less whether everything was created by a God or by some big blast or something. I want to focus on what we have now (this world) and how we can actually mean somthing for it, trying to improve it. My idea would be to focus first on the problems at hand, instead on how everything started.

So it turns out you are in fact a low-down vile stinking atheist! I know anybody who believed in God could not post the ridiculous stuff you do. Still, I wonder why you have been acting as though there is a God, and He's just different from what we think, throughout all this thread...

True, then you should choose for the lesser hurt. Still, you could help them when they are hurt that way.

I would of course try to help. We are commanded to love our neighbors. Still, since these car-wreck people were not helped, we can only assume God hates them or is trying to teach them a lesson.

It was said that God knows about selffulfilling prophecies and that he controls our actions. That way he should know how those prophecies work and should not condemn people randomly, because he knows the effect this will have on people.

What does any of this matter? God wants to send them to hell! He laughs at their calamity!

What is your opinion about it then?

I wrote another post where I discuss the nature of men and of God's relation to him, here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...ighlight=tulip

Oh she is not trying to have authority over him. Neither is he over her. Both understand (and that is what I appreciate about them) that their relationship is about equivalence. They complement each other in a way and they love each other very much.

Men and women aren't equal. The first time a woman told a man to do something, humanity was cursed until the end of the world.

That is your opinion of marriage. I think, and so do the people around me, that marriage should be about love.

The people around you legalized gay marriage before anyone else in the world. Excuse me if I don't trust their opinions on matrimony.

I talked to my mother one time about being in love with woman. She told me that she had never been in love with, nor expects to ever fall in love with another woman. Adding the fact that my parents DID get married out of love, we can only conclude that my father is indeed a man .

So why did you lie to me?

Plus my grandparents refer to him as a he. And they would know, seeing they are his parents.

No I do not.

So why should I trust you? I think people who have studied theology in Bible colleges would know more about the subject then you.

That's right .

. . .

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

So it turns out you are in fact a low-down vile stinking atheist! I know anybody who believed in God could not post the ridiculous stuff you do. Still, I wonder why you have been acting as though there is a God, and He's just different from what we think, throughout all this thread...

Actually, i do not consider myself an atheist. Because true atheist are the same type of people like you and other fundamental groups. You hold your own ideas as true and anybody thinking otherwise is stupid and/or insane. I think that you should believe whatever you want, but the moment you start hurting people because of it, you cross a line. That is what you people did when you enjoyed the killing of those people.
And the reason I acted as though there was a God was to actually let you people see why I cannot believe in yours. I do not now for certain there is no God, heck I could care less, but if there is, he would be much more like the way I described him.

I would of course try to help. We are commanded to love our neighbors. Still, since these car-wreck people were not helped, we can only assume God hates them or is trying to teach them a lesson.

Why then going around insulting the victims and all those rubbish on the first page of this topic? How is that helping the survivors and family members of the victims? It is not, so do not tell me about helping people. You did not do it. People that were around and tried to reanimate them did. Other people who tried to confort those who have lost one did. All those people from all around the country who showed their respects did.
You did not!

What does any of this matter? God wants to send them to hell! He laughs at their calamity!

What kind of God is he when he actually laughs at sending people to hell?

I wrote another post where I discuss the nature of men and of God's relation to him, here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...ighlight=tulip

Let me make it clear to you: do you believe that all actions are egocentric or that some actions can in fact be altruistic.

Men and women aren't equal. The first time a woman told a man to do something, humanity was cursed until the end of the world.

Yeah and all woman are the same .

The people around you legalized gay marriage before anyone else in the world. Excuse me if I don't trust their opinions on matrimony.

You are excused. Now excuse me when I disagree on your opinion of matrimony when you do think it is only good for getting offspring.

So why did you lie to me?

Please point out where I lied to you.

Actually it isn't. It is further proving my point

So why should I trust you? I think people who have studied theology in Bible colleges would know more about the subject then you.

Have they actually proven the existance of heaven or hell?

. . .

What? You thought they appeared in comicbooks?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Actually, i do not consider myself an atheist. Because true atheist are the same type of people like you and other fundamental groups. You hold your own ideas as true and anybody thinking otherwise is stupid and/or insane. I think that you should believe whatever you want, but the moment you start hurting people because of it, you cross a line. That is what you people did when you enjoyed the killing of those people.

So what, you're some "agnostic". Don't give me that BS! Agnostic is just a fancy word for an atheist who's not brave enough to admit he's an atheist!

And the reason I acted as though there was a God was to actually let you people see why I cannot believe in yours. I do not now for certain there is no God, heck I could care less, but if there is, he would be much more like the way I described him.

And you know that how?

Why then going around insulting the victims and all those rubbish on the first page of this topic? How is that helping the survivors and family members of the victims? It is not, so do not tell me about helping people. You did not do it. People that were around and tried to reanimate them did. Other people who tried to confort those who have lost one did. All those people from all around the country who showed their respects did. You did not!

Why would I help people God has cursed?

What kind of God is he when he actually laughs at sending people to hell?

The same God who invented hell in the first place!

Let me make it clear to you: do you believe that all actions are egocentric or that some actions can in fact be altruistic.

The actions of the unsaved are ALL egocentric, the actions of the saved are ALL altruistic. There's no gray spots!

Yeah and all woman are the same .

You were right up until the sarcasm sign.

You are excused. Now excuse me when I disagree on your opinion of matrimony when you do think it is only good for getting offspring.

Please point out where I lied to you.

I asked "are you the adopted child of a lesbian couple?" You answered, "I'm sure." Then later you go back on your word and say you aren't the adopted child of a lesbian couple. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, LIAR!

Actually it isn't. It is further proving my point

Have they actually proven the existance of heaven or hell?

Have you disproved the existence of heaven or hell?

What? You thought they appeared in comicbooks?

THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS SCIENTIFICAL, NUMSKULL! The spell checker is there for a reason

I'll be praying for your soul

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

So what, you're some "agnostic". Don't give me that BS! Agnostic is just a fancy word for an atheist who's not brave enough to admit he's an atheist!

It may seem lack of bravery to other people, but I really could not care less. A true scientist should be an agnost in my opinion. Only with sufficient evidence should you accept a theory. Now of course atheist would say we have sufficient evidence that there is no God, and you guys say that we have sufficient evidence that there is a God. In the end, it all comes down to whether you choose to believe evidence. Now

And you know that how?

Because your God does not make sense to me. He does not work using the principles of this world.

Why would I help people God has cursed?

If you truly claim that you are altruistic, then you should help people who need it. If you fear that you anger God, then you place yourself above others and you disprove your theory.

The same God who invented hell in the first place!

That you may believe, but do not tell me to believe that too.

The actions of the unsaved are ALL egocentric, the actions of the saved are ALL altruistic. There's no gray spots!

I have never seen a psychological process that works in all situations. Plus, see my point above about it.

You were right up until the sarcasm sign.

One person is just not the same as the other, so women differ. Or do you also believe that all men al equal?

I asked "are you the adopted child of a lesbian couple?" You answered, "I'm sure." Then later you go back on your word and say you aren't the adopted child of a lesbian couple. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, LIAR!

No you asked me if I knew for sure if my father was a man. I was answering that question, so I was not lying to you, you just understood wrong.

Have you disproved the existence of heaven or hell?

No, but I do not focus on that area. I focus on this life instead of what may or may not come after it.

THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS SCIENTIFICAL, NUMSKULL! The spell checker is there for a reason

My apologies for my typo, but did you not have to brain to actually think that I meant scientific?

I'll be praying for your soul

Thank you. I wish I could return the curtosy, but I do not pray.

[Nobar King]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

your God does not make sense to me. He does not work using the principles of this world.

What principles does He use, then?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

It may seem lack of bravery to other people, but I really could not care less. A true scientist should be an agnost in my opinion. Only with sufficient evidence should you accept a theory. Now of course atheist would say we have sufficient evidence that there is no God, and you guys say that we have sufficient evidence that there is a God. In the end, it all comes down to whether you choose to believe evidence. Now

You say you aren't positive there is a God. Atheists claim they do not believe in God as they have no proof. You can't prove a negative. Therefore, all atheists are really agnostics and all agnostics are atheists.

Because your God does not make sense to me. He does not work using the principles of this world.

That's because this world is cursed and evil. God's principles are perfect and incomprehensible to us.

If you truly claim that you are altruistic, then you should help people who need it. If you fear that you anger God, then you place yourself above others and you disprove your theory.

If I had been there, I would have helped. But I was not there. Considering that nobody was able to save these people's lives, I conclude that God wanted them to die. So now I am happy about it.

That you may believe, but do not tell me to believe that too.

But I'm telling you because I love you. Why are you being so mean?

I have never seen a psychological process that works in all situations. Plus, see my point above about it.

Psychology is a load of manure. God created people, I think He understands better than some "doctors". How could a human accurately judge the behavior of other humans? Did you know that according to the Bible, thoughts come from the heart and emotions come from the kidneys? Yet "psychologists" say these come from electric impulses and chemical reactions in the brain. Clearly, psychologists are insane.

One person is just not the same as the other, so women differ. Or do you also believe that all men al equal?

I believe all mean are equally able to be corrupted by uppity women who don't know their place.

No you asked me if I knew for sure if my father was a man. I was answering that question, so I was not lying to you, you just understood wrong.

Actually, that's not what I asked you. You are the one who understood wrong.

No, but I do not focus on that area. I focus on this life instead of what may or may not come after it.

Yeah that make sense. This life = ~70 years if you're lucky. Afterlife = forever. Makes so much sense to focus on the now

My apologies for my typo, but did you not have to brain to actually think that I meant scientific?

I know all along. I was just mocking your idiocy

Thank you. I wish I could return the curtosy, but I do not pray.

Well start today. It's very simple:

Dear Lord Jesus,

I know that I am worthless. I know I am completely pathetic and miserable, dirty, evil, sinful, disgusting. I am the lowest of lows. I am a worm. Less than a worm. I don't even deserve to live. In short, I am exactly as you have created me. Dear wonderful, perfect God, I beg you for forgiveness for having been born imperfectly. I beg and plead down on my knees that I not be sent into a fire to be tormented and tortured forever and ever and ever because a distant ancestor of mine ate the wrong fruit. I ask You, who are perfect in mercy, to please try to find some way of receiving me into Your Eternal Kingdom even though I have disgraced You by not worshiping and adoring you up till now. So I ask that you pour the blood of Your only Son who is Yourself and died temporarily on the cross for me. I understand that this is the only way You could ever forgive me, oh Divine Master. I accept You as my personal savior, from now on I'll do absolutely everything you tell me to do. I'll follow the rules of the Bible to the letter and never sin again. I pray this in the name of You and of Your Father, and of the Holy Spirit who conceived You and is also You. Amen.

If you repeated those words just now, then I tell you, you have been saved! Now all you need to do is get baptized and never sin again, and you're in the clear.

[Ugly_Kid_Joe]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

I want to focus on what we have now (this world) and how we can actually mean somthing for it, trying to improve it.

Now where have I heard that before...?
It had something to do with the 60's... Oh, yes ofcourse: the hippies!
Ha! I knew it...

[Wide-Open]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Now where have I heard that before...?
It had something to do with the 60's... Oh, yes ofcourse: the hippies!
Ha! I knew it...

Indeed friend. Provo. De kabouters. Armand. Don Quishoking. Neerlands Hoop. Good thing they never smoked dope.

BTW, I learned today that Ramses has throat cancer. I'm glad the Lord decided to smite him hard after all these years.