[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

That makes little sense. God chooses who will be sinners? Then why did he leave the bible to us. The people who will be saved will be saved without it, and those who are condemned will have no help from it, because they will burn in hell anyway.
By the way, that sounds like a selffullfilling prophecy to me. God hates people, because He thinks they will sin. Those people won't feel his love then and that could be cause that they would actually sin. Maybe when God did not hate them, they would not sin. In other words, God is responsible for the sins of people.
And I cannot believe in a God that actually enjoys sending people to hell. No normal parent want their children to be hurt.

Oh, so you know how to be God better than God Himself does? I though I had lost my capacity to be shocked by the arrogance of the unsaved, but I was wrong.

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Oh, so you know how to be God better than God Himself does? I though I had lost my capacity to be shocked by the arrogance of the unsaved, but I was wrong.

I never said that I know how to be better God, only that the way that you describe him seems to me not like a god should behave.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

The moment you mixed up Queen Beatrix with the actress playing professor McGonagall.

Those Dutch drugs are affecting your brain. I said Queen Bertha looked like someone out of Harry Potter. You asked "Who?" I showed you photos and they were so alike, I could not say who was who, and neither can you. Then you start saying silly things.

Then explain it to me...

Mat:5:18 Ik zeg u met nadruk: Tot de hemelen en de aarde vergaan, zal nog geen letter van de wet afgedaan hebben. Alles moet eerst volbracht zijn.

So we see it is important to know ALL of the Bible and keep to ALL God's Words

Do not use the movies while talking to me and I will not use other versions of the bible while talking to you.

I was you who started with movies!!

By the way, I never mentioned them in the same sentence. However, you did.

Are you man enough to give yourself an infraction or are you a hypocrite?

Spreuken 3:33-35 De HERE vervloekt het huis van de goddelozen, maar zegent het huis van de rechtvaardigen. Terwijl Hij spotters bespot, is Hij genadig voor de zachtmoedigen. Voor wijzen is eer weggelegd, voor dwazen schande.

Maybe it is good enough for you, but I do not follow other people so blindly, especially when I do not know them personally.

If I tell you that, on average, Dutch men are taller than other Europeans, you’d believe me. BUT you do not know me AND I haven’t seen all Dutch men AND all European men. Sir, you are an idiot.

[Nobar King]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

I never said that I know how to be better God, only that the way that you describe him seems to me not like a god should behave.

See, you did it again. It's not up to you do decide how God behaves.

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Those Dutch drugs are affecting your brain. I said Queen Bertha looked like someone out of Harry Potter. You asked "Who?" I showed you photos and they were so alike, I could not say who was who, and neither can you. Then you start saying silly things.

If you have trouble to keep them apart, I would recommend glasses or something, because it is actually not that hard. Besides, even identical twins have very minor details on which you can identify who is who. Anyone who actually knows twins for a long time can tell you that (at least, if they did follow my recommendation to get their eyes checked )

Mat:5:18 Ik zeg u met nadruk: Tot de hemelen en de aarde vergaan, zal nog geen letter van de wet afgedaan hebben. Alles moet eerst volbracht zijn.

So we see it is important to know ALL of the Bible and keep to ALL God's Words

Just because the bible tells you to follow it, you follow it blindly?

I was you who started with movies!!

No it was you, by showing me a picture from the movies.

Spreuken 3:33-35 De HERE vervloekt het huis van de goddelozen, maar zegent het huis van de rechtvaardigen. Terwijl Hij spotters bespot, is Hij genadig voor de zachtmoedigen. Voor wijzen is eer weggelegd, voor dwazen schande.

So you are a hypocrite...

If I tell you that, on average, Dutch men are taller than other Europeans, you’d believe me. BUT you do not know me AND I haven’t seen all Dutch men AND all European men. Sir, you are an idiot.

No, I would not believe you. And that makes the rest of your post worthless.

See, you did it again. It's not up to you do decide how God behaves.

But it is to me to believe in a God that behaves in a particular way.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

No, I would not believe you. And that makes the rest of your post worthless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081200809.html Read that and weep!

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Well of course you don't understand, you aren't full of the Holy Spirit! Yes, God chooses who will be sinners! God has predestined every single event in all of history. Who said that people could be saved without the Bible? You can't! That's why God gave it to us. To save those He loves. And to condemn those He hates. See, since God's law is there, you have only yourself to blame for not reading it (this include illiterates, and people in countries where the Bible in unavailable. If God loved them they would have been born literate in a Christian nation).

See the problem with all this, is that you cannot prove it is true. As for God having predestined every single event already, that would make him really bored I would think. Having nothing to do and always seeing everything happening exactly according to plan. Where is the excitement and fun in that?

God DOESN'T hate people because He thinks they will sin. Did you read the Bible passage? It's right there in your native tongue! He chooses who He will love and who He will hate for His own personal reasons, unknowable to us. And we CANNOT question His will! Since God hates these people, He condemns them to be sinners since He controls everyone's thoughts and actions. So yes, He is responsible for sin, as the Bible says, God created evil. Really, you should read the whole book of Romans, it explains all of this stuff very well.

So God just randomly selects people to hate and they will sin. Then my selffullfilling prophecy idea still holds true.
And I am currently already reading another book, so not now . It's the His Dark Materials series. Ever heard of them?

Normal human parents are imperfect. God is 100% perfect. A good Christian parent enjoys beating their children when they do something wrong, because the Bible says we should hit disobedient children, and we should enjoy fulfilling all of God's commands! God, in his infinite wisdom, knows how to make this last forever! AMEN!

When you have a disobient child, hitting it isn't the right answer. That way you learn the child to be fearful, which is not right. You should explain why it is disobient and what is wrong with that behaviour. Then, to help him, give suggestions what good behaviour is.

I hope my kind guidance will help you see the light.[/QUOTE]
Well, to be honest, you are actually one of the kind people here, who at least put effort in their posts.
Unlike Pastor Ezekiel, who still needs to show me one (just one!) movie of Dutch children smoking pot. Now I'll be fair, it does not have to show a willmill, just a Dutch surrounding and Dutch children.

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081200809.html Read that and weep!

This changes things. Not the believing you though. You provided an argument for your case. I do not take it for granted though, but you gave me reasons to start believing that Dutch people are taller. Were it not for the fact that that article is two years old and that I cannot find a link or reference to the actual study of this in the text. But good for you, learning how to argument .
You see my point of you people following blindly? I do not do that.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

See the problem with all this, is that you cannot prove it is true. As for God having predestined every single event already, that would make him really bored I would think. Having nothing to do and always seeing everything happening exactly according to plan. Where is the excitement and fun in that?

Who said anything about fun and excitement? Look, I'm quoting the Bible. Are you going to give Scriptural evidence for what you believe? Or do you just randomly decide what you think God should act like? What if I just randomly decided for no reason that God thinks I should steal all your money because I want to steal all your money? Would that be right? No.

So God just randomly selects people to hate and they will sin. Then my selffullfilling prophecy idea still holds true.

Yes, it does. That doesn't mean that it's not real though.

And I am currently already reading another book, so not now . It's the His Dark Materials series. Ever heard of them?

Yes, I have. Why are you reading a book written by an atheist which ridicules Christianity?

When you have a disobient child, hitting it isn't the right answer. That way you learn the child to be fearful, which is not right. You should explain why it is disobient and what is wrong with that behaviour. Then, to help him, give suggestions what good behaviour is.

We are supposed to teach children to be fearful of us. Just as the Bible says we should fear God. We call God our father, and we are His children. Therefore our children should have the same kind of reverence for us as we have for good, just as the Bible says wives should for their husbands.

The Bible says hitting is the right answer. Do you not believe in the Bible?

Well, to be honest, you are actually one of the kind people here, who at least put effort in their posts.

I thank you, but I disagree. Everyone here is pulling 100% to save you!

Unlike Pastor Ezekiel, who still needs to show me one (just one!) movie of Dutch children smoking pot. Now I'll be fair, it does not have to show a willmill, just a Dutch surrounding and Dutch children.

Just when I thought we were progressing, you go and insult our Godly Pastor! Friend, Jesus is very upset.

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Who said anything about fun and excitement? Look, I'm quoting the Bible. Are you going to give Scriptural evidence for what you believe? Or do you just randomly decide what you think God should act like? What if I just randomly decided for no reason that God thinks I should steal all your money because I want to steal all your money? Would that be right? No.

I am merely stating that I cannot believe in a God that acts in such a way. And your God would not think that way, because then you would go against secular law.

Yes, it does. That doesn't mean that it's not real though.

I never said that a selffulfilling prophecy is not true. It is, that's why people should know of it, so that they will not make them and people end up where they deserve to be, not because somebody thought they would end there.

Yes, I have. Why are you reading a book written by an atheist which ridicules Christianity?

The same reason I read all other books that I read. Because I like the stories, even if they are not true. And because that they hold messages in which I can find myself in.

We are supposed to teach children to be fearful of us. Just as the Bible says we should fear God. We call God our father, and we are His children. Therefore our children should have the same kind of reverence for us as we have for good, just as the Bible says wives should for their husbands.

The Bible says hitting is the right answer. Do you not believe in the Bible?

Then that is why we disagree. I for one can't imagine raising a child to be fearful. It is not in my nature.
And for having a good wife that fears me and does everything I say? I would go nuts after a couple of weeks. I don't like that, I want a woman who bitches back when I make sarcastic comments. A woman who is equal to me and who loves me and who I love in return.

I thank you, but I disagree. Everyone here is pulling 100% to save you!
Just when I thought we were progressing, you go and insult our Godly Pastor! Friend, Jesus is very upset.

All I asked for, was one small evidence of Dutch children smoking. He failed to do so.
(of course, that would not mean that all children use pot here in the Netherlands, but seeing as he did not even found one movie, I am not going into that at all: first things first)

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

I am merely stating that I cannot believe in a God that acts in such a way. And your God would not think that way, because then you would go against secular law.

You didn't answer my question. Do you get your ideas about God from the Bible? Or do you make them up, believing in what you want God to be?

I never said that a selffulfilling prophecy is not true. It is, that's why people should know of it, so that they will not make them and people end up where they deserve to be, not because somebody thought they would end there.

...What?

The same reason I read all other books that I read. Because I like the stories, even if they are not true. And because that they hold messages in which I can find myself in.

The message of His Dark Materials is that there is no God and that the church is an evil brainwashing, soul destroying cult. Do you find yourself in that message? (rhetorical question).

Then that is why we disagree. I for one can't imagine raising a child to be fearful. It is not in my nature.

Well of course. Human nature is evil, and against God. You need to be born-again to see the world as God wants you to see it.

And for having a good wife that fears me and does everything I say? I would go nuts after a couple of weeks. I don't like that, I want a woman who bitches back when I make sarcastic comments. A woman who is equal to me and who loves me and who I love in return.

This is just lunacy. You want a bitchy wife? So you're a masochist as well as a God-hater?

All I asked for, was one small evidence of Dutch children smoking. He failed to do so.

You need evidence to believe things? Where is your faith?

(of course, that would not mean that all children use pot here in the Netherlands, but seeing as he did not even found one movie, I am not going into that at all: first things first)

So you don't believe anything unless you have a movie of it?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

All I asked for, was one small evidence of Dutch children smoking. He failed to do so.
(of course, that would not mean that all children use pot here in the Netherlands, but seeing as he did not even found one movie, I am not going into that at all: first things first)

The evidence is all around you. You aren't fooling us Mr. Frenchie. You dope addicts lie about everything, and you eurotrash dope addicts are even worse.

I'll bet you're a damned gypsy.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081200809.html Read that and weep!

All I asked for, was one small evidence of Dutch children smoking. He failed to do so.
(of course, that would not mean that all children use pot here in the Netherlands, but seeing as he did not even found one movie, I am not going into that at all: first things first)

OK, here you are, here's your Dutch children smoking drugs.http://www.youramsterdam.nl/adam/tv_...%2F114%2F26%2F

I tell you the Dutch are taller - you don't believe me
I show you Dutch children smoking cannabis and give you a report on it - do you believe me?

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

You didn't answer my question. Do you get your ideas about God from the Bible? Or do you make them up, believing in what you want God to be?

If there is a God, I believe that he acts in a way that agree with psychological processes. I would believe that he knows those processes and uses them to actually help people. So for your answer: no I do not believe your bible to the letter.

...What?

That is the deal with self-fullfilling prophecies: they give unfair advantages to some and unfair disadvantages to others. But when people know how this stuff works, they won't make the prophecies or the effect of them will be nullified.

The message of His Dark Materials is that there is no God and that the church is an evil brainwashing, soul destroying cult. Do you find yourself in that message? (rhetorical question).

Actually, there is a God (the Authority) in the books. Only he is not all powerfull like you think God is. He is more like how I see the world: that everything has a beginning and an end (the Authority dies in the books).
And of course the ending of the books is briliant. You have all these pwerful characters and the biggest war ever seen, but the clue of the series is actually about a child growing up.

Well of course. Human nature is evil, and against God. You need to be born-again to see the world as God wants you to see it.

I see human behaviour as good, deep down. I saw people reanimating victims after the crash, others helping people find their loved ones, still others conforting total strangers. People help each other. If that is against your God, then I rather would be human than a supporter of Him.

This is just lunacy. You want a bitchy wife? So you're a masochist as well as a God-hater?

Let me explain by writing about my parents. My mother is a great woman, only she has the impulse to want things and blurting them out to my father. These things mostly concern where to go on holidays and what to do ("I want to go deep sea diving" "I want to go to Egypt" "I want to go to South Afrika" you get the picture). In some parts she does that because she knows (and also my brothers and I) that my father gets irritated by that.
Five years ago, on their 25th wedding anniversary, my father got the question, Why are you still with her, with all those ideas of her?
His answer was: Because it never gets bored with these crazy ideas of her.
So having a woman that sits at home, waiting for me doing everthing I want her to do: that is boring to me. I actually want to have to try to convince her of my right. Yes, maybe that will mean that I am not right all the time, but for me it is more about the journey (the trying) than the destination (the having right).

You need evidence to believe things? Where is your faith?

Just call me a critical thinker.

So you don't believe anything unless you have a movie of it?

Don't worry, any reliable source will do (such as scientifical reports that are actually done correctly).

The evidence is all around you. You aren't fooling us Mr. Frenchie. You dope addicts lie about everything, and you eurotrash dope addicts are even worse.

And again with the Frenchie . You speak of you dope addicts. I am wondering who you talk to, because I am not a dope addict

I'll bet you're a damned gypsy.

Now you are just calling names.

OK, here you are, here's your Dutch children smoking drugs.http://www.youramsterdam.nl/adam/tv_...%2F114%2F26%2F

Sorry, I was not clear earlier I see now. I said children, which for me means aged until about 12. After that, puberty begins and they will become adolescents. But fair is fair, you found some adolescents that smoke pot. Now let me show you statistics that not all adolescents smoke pot.

http://www.drugsweb.nl/drugsweb664.asp

The first three columns show the percentages of adolescents having ever tried smoking pot, the last three columns show the precentage of adolescents have smoked pot during the last month. (J = boys, m = girls and j&m = boys and girls together)
The rows show you the differences between ages.
And look at that, not everybody has tried smoking pot. At the age of 17 and 18, half of the boys and 1/3 of the girls ever tried smoking pot. That is hardly everybody.


I tell you the Dutch are taller - you don't believe me
I show you Dutch children smoking cannabis and give you a report on it - do you believe me?[/QUOTE]
No, I believe you that there are Dutch adolescents that smoke pot, but I actually knew that already.
The point is that during the assault there was a child that got seriously injured that was aged nine. I find it hard to believe that that child has ever smoked pot (or any other child of nine for that matter).

[Nobar King]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Don't you think that God knows who is going to sin and who is free from sin? It hardly matters that the sin has not been committed; it will, eventually.