[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Well, we know that there are some queens over there who are high right now.

Undoubtably, Pastor Ezekiel!
Her haircut shows she must have cut it all by herself in a very weird way. Probably when she got all paranoid from the drugs.

She certainly has red eyes, like all those hippies, and looks like a "stoner" in this picture I borrowed from a newspaper in Sweden: (De Volkskrant)


That freaky smile...

Lol. Now you guys are making me laugh a little. Beatrix on drugs . That statement is as absurd as that all children are on drugs here.

Now you guys are just being mean. She looks like a nice old lady. She's probably rich, too.

It's not like I condemn her for her appearance, sorry if it seems that way. It's just something I noticed.

But yes, rich she is. I wonder if it is income from tax money or drug dealing on a large scale though...
It keeps making me wonder about that when I look at the ammount of drug users in Europe.

Tax money. The queen dealing drugs... . Really guys, that would be absurd. And would cause political riots if people would find out (and they would).

Aren't all those drug dens taxed? That must be some big money.

No, they are not, because drug dens are actually illegal here. So the government would never fund them.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Wow, I found a post where I agree with you.

Excellent! Jesus is happier now.

Other than the fact that it has nowhere been mentioned other than in a book, and that there are no records of such place anywhere?

Honestly, there are thousands of other books that say the same thing.

If even Jesus went to hell, there is no hope for all other people.

He went voluntarily!! He went to save the souls that were already there!

The only difference between a science book and the bible is that studies actually describe how to replicate findings, so that people can see for their own eyes that it is true, if they wanted.

I can tell you have never read the Bible, it clearly shows how you (or anyone else) can go to Heaven! You can replicate the findings! It works every time!

Not one True Christian™ has ever died, then returned, and said that there was no heaven! What more proof do you require?

Re: people dying: You said they deserved it, and actually enjoyed this happening.

Of course! God is responsible for the death of everyone! We are seeing God in action! It is more proof of God!

Now, Come on! You did not tell me which Bible verse do you like best? (Don’t choose anything from John – everyone does that.)

PS, Who's that woman in the photo up there^^? She looks like someone from Harry Potter - this is not good, Harry Potter glorifies witchcraft!

[Seraph]

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Excellent! Jesus is happier now.

Good for him.

Honestly, there are thousands of other books that say the same thing. He went voluntarily!! He went to save the souls that were already there!I can tell you have never read the Bible, it clearly shows how you (or anyone else) can go to Heaven! You can replicate the findings! It works every time!

Not one True Christian™ has ever died, then returned, and said that there was no heaven!
What more proof do you require?Of course! God is responsible for the death of everyone! We are seeing God in action! It is more proof of God!

Not one true Christian has ever died, then returned, and said that there was a heaven. That argument works both ways.

Now, Come on! You did not tell me which Bible verse do you like best? (Don’t choose anything from John – everyone does that.)

Alright here is one that I do like: psalm 67.4
O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.
If there is a God, He will judge righteously. Not by what you think, but by what is actually right. And he will judge, not you people. Remember, I do not have a quarrel with God, but with you guys
I had another verse, but I cannot find it.

PS, Who's that woman in the photo up there^^? She looks like someone from Harry Potter - this is not good, Harry Potter glorifies witchcraft!

You should pay more attention to what your little friends tell you . That our Queen Beatrix as Ugly_Kid_Joe already said. I am just wondering who she reminds you of form Harry Potter though . Besides, that joke is old, calling a dutch person a somebody-from-harry-potter-look-a-like.
Now I take that you read the Harry Potter books (how else could you know that Beatrix looks like a character from it). I gave you a bible verse, so I ask from you to name the part that you liked most. Please name which book and chapter, with the actual text

What the books actually glorify is the moral of helping those who need it and standing up against evil. Just because it tells about witchcraft does not make it a glorification of it. Heck, J.K. Rowling officially stated that she does not believe that the magic that we see in her books is true. It just makes a great story.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]Not one true Christian has ever died, then returned, and said that there was a heaven. That argument works both ways.[..]

Of course it does not! We KNOW that True Christians™ go to Heaven because Jesus says they will.

Alright here is one that I do like: psalm 67.4
O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Good choice... He's been busy recently judging the Dutch...

If there is a God, He will judge righteously. Not by what you think, but by what is actually right. And he will judge, not you people.

This is illogical - we think what God tells us to think - that is why we are called True Christians™"

Remember, I do not have a quarrel with God, but with you guys

As we only say what God says, you don't have a problem with us, you have a problem with God - that is never a good thing - I suggest you repent, accept Jesus and get a lightening conductor fitted.

I had another verse, but I cannot find it.

I suggest that it was, Proverb:1:7: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Now I take that you read the Harry Potter books

That is a horrible suggestion - The Landover Pastors said Harry Potter is of the Devil, so that was good enough for me - I did not need to read it!

J.K. Rowling officially stated that she does not believe that the magic that we see in her books is true. It just makes a great story.

(i) JK Rowling is a woman and look at all the trouble that Eve got Mankind into! (ii)The Devil is the father of Lies - I would not believe anything he says.

[Seraph]

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Of course it does not! We KNOW that True Christians™ go to Heaven because Jesus says they will.

No. A book written by some people years and years ago says that he said that.

Good choice... He's been busy recently judging the Dutch...

This is illogical - we think what God tells us to think - that is why we are called True Christians™" As we only say what God says, you don't have a problem with us, you have a problem with God - that is never a good thing - I suggest you repent, accept Jesus and get a lightening conductor fitted.

So you do not believe in free will. If everything what you think is a message of God, then God controls all.
If that would be true, then all those people that you call sinners would think what god wants them to think. Then they would not be sinners, because they only do what God tells them.
If you believe that God only tells True Christians what to do, then I would suggest visiting a psychologist... Hearing voices are signs of psychological problems .

I suggest that it was, Proverb:1:7: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

No, that wasn't it. The message was that you should help people who ask for your help.

That is a horrible suggestion - The Landover Pastors said Harry Potter is of the Devil, so that was good enough for me - I did not need to read it!

So how does Beatrix remind you of somebody from the books then? Then answer who it is and end with the reasons why you think so . There is a good boy.
And I am a bit saddened that you cannot name any part from the books. I actually took the time to find somethng for you, common curtesy only asks for you to do the same

(i) JK Rowling is a woman and look at all the trouble that Eve got Mankind into! (ii)The Devil is the father of Lies - I would not believe anything he says.

She gave us consiousness. Maybe some people were better off without it, yes, but overall I would say that is not bad.
The devil has a child? Who is the mother then?

[Ugly_Kid_Joe]

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Get your facts straight. He died of braindamage due to the crash into 2 gates and the monument.
Yes there were traces in his blood. However, those stay in his blood for a couple of weeks, so it does not mean he was under influence of it.

No no no, that is not entirely true. You should get your own facts right first.
The working element in cannabis, C21 H30 O2, or if you want to know the full name:
[8-beta-11-dihydroxy-]delta-9-TetraHydro-6,6,9-trimethyl-3-pentyl-6H-dibenzo[b,d]-pyran-1-ol: THC, has a organic C,H,O structure.
It does not remain in your blood for several weeks, but in your fat tissue. It's a common mistake.
So if it was in his blood, it's probably no more than 3 days old. I dare say he was stoned at the time.
I mean, there were tons of people and he only hit 13... And then he probably halucinated and thought that the monument was the queen.
(Or he must have appreciated the name of the monument: "The Needle")

Yes, I am sure he was stoned. And if you smoke it, and then hit a momument which causes brain damage, doesnt that mean he still died of drug abuse in traffic?
Could have broken his neck aswell, but that would still have the same cause: Drugs!

Really guys, that would be absurd. And would cause political riots if people would find out (and they would).

Why? If there is proof for that, the hippies would love here again at once instead of complaining.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

All the people he hit were stoned too. Otherwise they would have gotten out of the way.

[Seraph]

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No no no, that is not entirely true. You should get your own facts right first.
The working element in cannabis, C21 H30 O2, or if you want to know the full name:
[8-beta-11-dihydroxy-]delta-9-TetraHydro-6,6,9-trimethyl-3-pentyl-6H-dibenzo[b,d]-pyran-1-ol: THC, has a organic C,H,O structure.
It does not remain in your blood for several weeks, but in your fat tissue. It's a common mistake.
So if it was in his blood, it's probably no more than 3 days old. I dare say he was stoned at the time.
I mean, there were tons of people and he only hit 13... And then he probably halucinated and thought that the monument was the queen.
(Or he must have appreciated the name of the monument: "The Needle")

Yes, I am sure he was stoned. And if you smoke it, and then hit a momument which causes brain damage, doesnt that mean he still died of drug abuse in traffic?
Could have broken his neck aswell, but that would still have the same cause: Drugs!
Actually, it depends on other factors such as regularity of cannabis use. If one regularily smokes it, then the time increases.
One of the main effects of smoking cannabis is that it increases all feelings, including negative ones. So maybe he did use cannabis, maybe not, but if so, then I see all the more reason NOT to assume it was an act of God.
And no, he would not have died of drug abuse, because it was the brain damage that killed him. That it the direct cause and therefor the cause of death.

Why? If there is proof for that, the hippies would love here again at once instead of complaining.

The hippies maybe yes, but a number of political parties would certainly protest (CDA and CU, along with the SGP). The other parties might also ask for inquiries about it. So, in the short line, a lot of political trouble.

All the people he hit were stoned too. Otherwise they would have gotten out of the way.

The car came from behind. It had about two seconds between crashing over the first gate, before it hit the people. Even if people had the time to notice what was going on, they had nowhere to run (because of the people next to them). So no, they had no chance.
Besides, there were children among the victems! You still failed to show me any evindence of Dutch(!) children smoking cannabis. All I got was a movie of two children, who did not speak Dutch and were not anywhere in the Netherlands that were smoking cigarettes (so no cannabis). So excuse me for finding your claims a bit untrustworthy.

[Meek and Humble]

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About your above comment on free will, I think you need to read this passage of the Bible. It answers all your questions:

Romans 9: 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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So how does Beatrix remind you of somebody from the books then?

Because the Pastor held up photos from the film so we would know whom to ask God to smite! (Idiot question) Anyway, here you are - separated at birth if you ask me - Why does your queen look like a witch?

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

About your above comment on free will, I think you need to read this passage of the Bible. It answers all your questions:

Romans 9: 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Actually, it answered non of my questions for me.

Because the Pastor held up photos from the film so we would know whom to ask God to smite! (Idiot question) Anyway, here you are - separated at birth if you ask me - Why does your queen look like a witch?

So you are comparing a queen with an actress playing a role in a children's movie, and are convinced that she is a witch? i finally understand why you folllow the bible blindly.
You know, I looked at the word gullible in the dictionary and believe it or not, it has a picture of the Landover Baptist Church next to it.
By the way, the movies are not what we would call canon. Imagine somebody would make a movie of the bible, leaving some parts out and altering other things. That same principle is being used for the Harry Potter films. So do not go around saying that you know everything about Harry Potter without actually having read the books.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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So you are comparing a queen with an actress playing a role in a children's movie, and are convinced that she is a witch?

Where did I say that Queen Bertha is a witch?

i finally understand why you folllow the bible blindly.

I doubt it

By the way, the movies are not what we would call canon. Imagine somebody would make a movie of the bible, leaving some parts out and altering other things. That same principle is being used for the Harry Potter films.

FYI Landover never leaves out or alters any part of the Bible - what happens to Harry Potter books is of no concern to me as long as no one reads them. I have given you an infraction for mentioning Harry Potter and The Bible in the same sentence.

So do not go around saying that you know everything about Harry Potter without actually having read the books.

Has your brain been starved of oxygen? I never said I know everything about Harry Potter! I said Harry Potter is damnable - I also told you that the pastor told me this, which is good enough.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Actually, it answered non of my questions for me.

What don't you understand friend? It explains that God created everybody and before they were born he chose whether or not He loved them. Then, since he controls everyone's thoughts and actions, He makes the people He hates for no reason than for the very fact that He chose to hate them, commit sins and never repent so that He can find pleasure in sending them to hell. And nobody can complain to God about this. Does this make it any clearer?

Romeinen 9:8Dus zijn Abrahams natuurlijke kinderen niet vanzelf kinderen van God. Nee, dat zijn alleen zij die, net als Abraham, op de belofte van God vertrouwen.


9God had Abraham namelijk beloofd: "Volgend jaar kom Ik terug en dan zal Sara een zoon krijgen." (a)
10Ook Isaäks vrouw Rebekka kreeg een belofte van God.
11-13 Toen zij in verwachting was van een tweeling, zei God dat het eerste kind de dienaar van het tweede zou worden. Daarmee bedoelde Hij de twee volken, die uit deze jongens zouden voortkomen. Want ergens in de Boeken staat dat God gezegd heeft: "Jakob heb Ik liefgehad, maar Esau niet." (b) Voor God stond dat al vast, hoewel zij nog niet eens geboren waren en geen goed of kwaad hadden gedaan. Daardoor was duidelijk dat God nooit iemand uitkiest op grond van diens daden, maar omdat Hij hem riep.
14Is God dan onrechtvaardig? Geen sprake van!
15Denk maar eens aan wat Hij tegen Mozes zei: "Ik ben vriendelijk voor wie Ik wil; en Ik ontferm Mij over wie Ik wil." ©
16Het hangt er dus niet van af of u graag wilt of erg uw best doet. Nee, het hangt af van God, Die het goede met ons voor heeft.
17Zo zei Hij tegen Farao, de koning van Egypte: "Het is niet voor niets dat Ik u nog zo lang koning laat zijn. Ik gebruik u om te laten zien hoe groot mijn kracht is, want de hele wereld moet van Mij horen." (d)
18Hieruit blijkt dat God doet wat Hij wil. Of Hij bewijst Zijn genade of Hij verhardt, zoals dat bij Farao het geval was.
19Maar als het zo ligt, waarom neemt God het mij dan kwalijk dat ik niet doe wat Hij wil?
20Hoe durft u zo tegen God te spreken? Het maaksel zegt toch ook niet tegen zijn maker: "Waarom hebt u mij zo gemaakt?"
21Een pottenbakker mag met een stuk klei doen wat hij wil. Hij maakt er een mooie, dure vaas van of een gewone pot.
22Wel, als God uiting wil geven aan Zijn toorn en als Hij wil laten zien hoe groot Zijn kracht is, wat dan nog? Heeft Hij niet lang genoeg geduld gehad met de mensen, die straf verdienden en rijp waren voor de ondergang?
23Waar het Hem om gaat, is dat Zijn buitengewone grootheid gezien wordt door de mensen, met wie Hij het goed voor heeft. Hij heeft hen lang van te voren aangewezen en nu ook geroepen.
24Die mensen zijn wij! Niet alleen Israëlieten, maar mensen uit alle volken.
25In het boek van de profeet Hosea zegt God immers: "Het volk dat niet van Mij was, zal Ik mijn volk noemen. En de mensen die Ik niet liefhad, zal Ik liefhebben.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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What don't you understand friend? [...].

Is it just me, or does the Word of The Lord (if that is what it is) look unconvincing in foreign? Surely none of these people, still cursed from the Tower of Babel days, will ever see heaven.

Surely learning American is a small additional price to pay for Eternal Life beyond the firmament?

[Seraph]

Re: Last warning for Swedish Queen from Baby Jesus!

Where did I say that Queen Bertha is a witch?

The moment you mixed up Queen Beatrix with the actress playing professor McGonagall. What is that by the way with you, mixing up people and altering names? I find it a sign of weakness, trying to make your point that way.

I doubt it

Then explain it to me...

FYI Landover never leaves out or alters any part of the Bible - what happens to Harry Potter books is of no concern to me as long as no one reads them. I have given you an infraction for mentioning Harry Potter and The Bible in the same sentence.

That was actually my point. You consider any version of the bible or christian that leaces or alters parts of it to be rubbish at the least. The same goes for the Harry Potter movies. Do not use the movies while talking to me and I will not use other versions of the bible while talking to you.
By the way, I never mentioned them in the same sentence. However, you did. Are you man enough to give yourself an infraction or are you a hypocrite?

Has your brain been starved of oxygen? I never said I know everything about Harry Potter! I said Harry Potter is damnable - I also told you that the pastor told me this, which is good enough.

Maybe it it good enough for you, but I do not follow other people so blindly, especially when I do not know them personally.

What don't you understand friend? It explains that God created everybody and before they were born he chose whether or not He loved them. Then, since he controls everyone's thoughts and actions, He makes the people He hates for no reason than for the very fact that He chose to hate them, commit sins and never repent so that He can find pleasure in sending them to hell. And nobody can complain to God about this. Does this make it any clearer?

Romeinen 9:8Dus zijn Abrahams natuurlijke kinderen niet vanzelf kinderen van God. Nee, dat zijn alleen zij die, net als Abraham, op de belofte van God vertrouwen.


9God had Abraham namelijk beloofd: "Volgend jaar kom Ik terug en dan zal Sara een zoon krijgen." (a)
10Ook Isaäks vrouw Rebekka kreeg een belofte van God.
11-13 Toen zij in verwachting was van een tweeling, zei God dat het eerste kind de dienaar van het tweede zou worden. Daarmee bedoelde Hij de twee volken, die uit deze jongens zouden voortkomen. Want ergens in de Boeken staat dat God gezegd heeft: "Jakob heb Ik liefgehad, maar Esau niet." (b) Voor God stond dat al vast, hoewel zij nog niet eens geboren waren en geen goed of kwaad hadden gedaan. Daardoor was duidelijk dat God nooit iemand uitkiest op grond van diens daden, maar omdat Hij hem riep.
14Is God dan onrechtvaardig? Geen sprake van!
15Denk maar eens aan wat Hij tegen Mozes zei: "Ik ben vriendelijk voor wie Ik wil; en Ik ontferm Mij over wie Ik wil." ©
16Het hangt er dus niet van af of u graag wilt of erg uw best doet. Nee, het hangt af van God, Die het goede met ons voor heeft.
17Zo zei Hij tegen Farao, de koning van Egypte: "Het is niet voor niets dat Ik u nog zo lang koning laat zijn. Ik gebruik u om te laten zien hoe groot mijn kracht is, want de hele wereld moet van Mij horen." (d)
18Hieruit blijkt dat God doet wat Hij wil. Of Hij bewijst Zijn genade of Hij verhardt, zoals dat bij Farao het geval was.
19Maar als het zo ligt, waarom neemt God het mij dan kwalijk dat ik niet doe wat Hij wil?
20Hoe durft u zo tegen God te spreken? Het maaksel zegt toch ook niet tegen zijn maker: "Waarom hebt u mij zo gemaakt?"
21Een pottenbakker mag met een stuk klei doen wat hij wil. Hij maakt er een mooie, dure vaas van of een gewone pot.
22Wel, als God uiting wil geven aan Zijn toorn en als Hij wil laten zien hoe groot Zijn kracht is, wat dan nog? Heeft Hij niet lang genoeg geduld gehad met de mensen, die straf verdienden en rijp waren voor de ondergang?
23Waar het Hem om gaat, is dat Zijn buitengewone grootheid gezien wordt door de mensen, met wie Hij het goed voor heeft. Hij heeft hen lang van te voren aangewezen en nu ook geroepen.
24Die mensen zijn wij! Niet alleen Israëlieten, maar mensen uit alle volken.
25In het boek van de profeet Hosea zegt God immers: "Het volk dat niet van Mij was, zal Ik mijn volk noemen. En de mensen die Ik niet liefhad, zal Ik liefhebben.

That makes little sense. God chooses who will be sinners? Then why did he leave the bible to us. The people who will be saved will be saved without it, and those who are condemned will have no help from it, because they will burn in hell anyway.
By the way, that sounds like a selffullfilling prophecy to me. God hates people, because He thinks they will sin. Those people won't feel his love then and that could be cause that they would actually sin. Maybe when God did not hate them, they would not sin. In other words, God is responsible for the sins of people.
And I cannot believe in a God that actually enjoys sending people to hell. No normal parent want their children to be hurt.