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  • Nobar King
    Municipal Code Archivist - Deuteronomy 28:58
    Christ's Guardian
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2007
    • 23748

    #1

    Iowa needs: Protect your castle doctrine

    Fourteen states have enacted the Castle doctrine, which states that a homeowner is allowed to protect his home and property with deadly force. Why doesn't Iowa have a version of the Castle Doctrine? In Iowa one is allowed to use deadly force only when there is threat of bodily harm. How is the homeowner supposed to know that there will be bodily harm before it happens? You can't!! That's why if someone breaks into your home and you shoot him, make sure he's DEAD as a doornail. Then you tell the police that he said he was going to kill you. If don't shoot to kill, the burglar will deny any attempt at bodily harm and will sue you for everything you have, including your house.

    Other states are lucky. In places like Florida you just shoot and the police stand behind you. As they should. Hopefully more stories like this will make people think twice when they try to take another person's property.
    Sheriff: Law protects SUV owner who shot, killed woman
    Thu April 30, 2009

    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Authorities do not plan to file charges against a Florida orange grove owner who fatally shot a 21-year-old woman, saying he is protected under the state's controversial "no retreat" law.
    Bullet holes pocked the windshield of the crashed SUV, and blood stained he passenger seat.

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    But the woman's boyfriend faces second-degree murder charges in her death, because the woman was shot to death during an alleged felony -- the theft of an SUV. Tony Curtis Phillips, 29, didn't fire a single shot. He didn't even know his girlfriend, Nikki McCormick, was dead until police showed him an online news story. Police said McCormick accompanied Phillips as he attempted to steal the SUV from a barn in an orange grove near Wahneta, Florida, before daylight Tuesday.

    Grove owner Ladon "Jamie" Jones opened fire as the SUV approached him, according to an affidavit released by the Polk County Sheriff's Office. Phillips fled; McCormick was shot in the head and later died. Authorities said Jones is protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

    Phillips, however, faces charges because police allege he was committing felony grand theft auto at the time of McCormick's death. "Because his conduct caused her death, he gets charged with a felony," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said. Phillips was arrested late Tuesday in Polk County, near Lakeland, after a day on the run. Police said he didn't believe McCormick was dead at first, telling officers, "Of all the times you've questioned me, this is a nasty trick you're playing on me this time." He agreed to cooperate if detectives could prove she was dead.

    Judd said detectives called up the shooting story on the local newspaper's Web site and "let him read it online, and that's when he broke down and cried, and gave us a confession," Judd said. According to the affidavit, Jones heard his Toyota Land Cruiser, parked in the barn at his orange grove, start up before daylight Tuesday. Jones told police he grabbed his gun, a 9mm that he keeps with him while working at the grove. He said he could see two people in the SUV as it backed out of the barn, according to the affidavit. He said he saw the passenger's arm reach outside the vehicle, and believed that person might be holding a gun.

    The Land Cruiser stopped directly in front of him, Jones said in the affidavit. He said he raised his gun and pointed it at the occupants, shouting "Stop," but the vehicle appeared to be moving directly toward him. "Fearing for his life, he then fired what he thought to be six to eight rounds into the front windshield of the vehicle," the affidavit stated. The vehicle backed up at high speed, crashed through a fence and ended up in a ditch. Jones told police a man jumped out of the SUV and ran away. Sheriff's deputies found McCormick inside the vehicle with a bullet wound to her head. She was taken to Lakeland Regional Medical Center, where she died.

    Authorities will forward their information to prosecutors, Judd said, but are "not going to file any charges [against Jones] at this point, because we don't see any reason to arrest Mr. Jones," Judd said. "... It appears, at this point in the investigation, Mr. Jones was completely, legally justified in his actions."

    A Polk County judge on Thursday ordered Phillips held without bond. A public defender was appointed to his case. Polk County Public Defender J. Marion Moorman declined to comment on the charges to CNN. "We will, of course, be interviewing the client very soon, and will be undertaking his defense from there," he said.

    Phillips told police he assumed McCormick had also gotten out of the vehicle and run away, according to the affidavit. He said he was sorry for what happened "and said he knew he was partially responsible for her death," the affidavit said.

    Polk County State Attorney's Office spokesman Chip Thulberry said his office will review the case when the sheriff's investigation is completed.

    The Brady Campaign to prevent Gun Violence says Florida is one of 16 states that have enacted "no retreat" laws, which some call "shoot-first" laws. The laws extend the right to use deadly force beyond a person's home and into public places.

    "The shoot-first law is not needed," said Brian Malte of the Brady Campaign. "This person, regardless of the situation, may have done the right thing, but he cannot be prosecuted for doing something wrong if he hit an innocent bystander," he said.

    Other groups stand by the "no retreat" laws. "At the moment a crime occurs, victims don't have the luxury of time," said Andrew Arulanandam of the National Rifle Association. "They have seconds to decide on a course of action to protect their lives and their families. This law provides law-abiding people with options."
    These closet-communists deserve everything that's coming to them.
    May you be a blessing to every life you touch.
  • Ezekiel Bathfire
    Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
    Christ's Rottweiler
     
    • Jan 2008
    • 22875

    #2
    Re: Iowa needs: Protect your castle doctrine

    Originally posted by Nobar King View Post
    Other states are lucky. In places like Florida you just shoot and the police stand behind you. As they should. Hopefully more stories like this will make people think twice when they try to take another person's property.These closet-communists deserve everything that's coming to them.
    I don't think this goes far enough - you should be able to shoot people on suspicion of committing a felony - like witchcraft or being a homer. Nevertheless, it's a move towards God's Law and for that I'm grateful.

    P.S. I'm sorry to be brief but I've a couple of errands to do - I'm taking my Sig-Sauer P226 to Bob4God's gun shop, and I'll be calling round to my neighbor's on the way to get back my Escalade that they borrowed from me last week - I don't think they're in today but I need it.
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    “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

    Author of such illuminating essays as,
    Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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    • SayvedByTheLord
      Sinner Who Has Found the Truth©
      True Christian™
      • May 2007
      • 3151

      #3
      Re: Iowa needs: Protect your castle doctrine

      Not bad grouping for a pressure situation. Looks like a quick clean double tap.


      Leviticus 26:27-29

      27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
      28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
      29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

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      • Ezekiel Bathfire
        Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
        Christ's Rottweiler
         
        • Jan 2008
        • 22875

        #4
        Re: Iowa needs: Protect your castle doctrine

        Originally posted by SayvedByTheLord View Post
        Not bad grouping for a pressure situation. Looks like a quick clean double tap.
        Good point, but why was he aiming at the passenger side? He says he shot 6 - 8 rounds, where are the other bullets? Sounds like our friend could benefit from a course at Bob4God's Gun shop.
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        “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

        Author of such illuminating essays as,
        Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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