[Overseer]

you sick idiot, you do know clothes can be torn off right? She was underage (18 in US 16 in UK) AND was forced, the man clearly WAS NOT a follow of god as he a sick rapist and was married in the eyes of the lord as well, so he will be done for adultory, even if your view is right (and its not) HE STRAYED FROM THE PATH AND GAVE IN!! So he will go to hell, along with people who feel rape is ok, rape of ANYONE, wives or children.

ANYONE WHO IS RAPED BY ANOTHER HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL THE PERSON DOING IT!! If its a wive being raped she can kill her husband, if its a girl aged 15... its the dudty of her father/brothers to deal with the worm who do it!!!

[MisterM]

Originally Posted by realitykid

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (KJV)

Which part of ordinances that was against us says that all ordinances? Especially when those are defined next: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

And how about some next verses?

Colossians 3:5-6 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience

Isn't these just old ordinances, weren't they to be rejected? You my son are just cherry picking the Bible to pervert it to you hippie version of Christianity.

YiC,
Miikkael

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by realitykid

I feel sorry for you. Have you not seen in the new testament where Jesus did away with the written code known as the old testament laws?

Colossians 2:14 "having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross." (NIV)

OR

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (KJV)

Ordinances means laws by the way. Just in case you want to tell me otherwise just as some people outside of this forum have already. A dictionary search sorted that mess out for me real quick.

God bless.

Wrong.



This is what Jesus had to say about Old Testament law:

(Matthew 5:17) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Don't be a fluffy bunny salad bar Christian, friend. Read the whole Bible, and it all makes sense.



YiC,

Z. Smyth

[MitzaLizalor]

@Fumhum Did you even READ that NY DAILY NEWS article? The sex was consensual. Do you know what that means? Let's have a look at a dictionary:

CAMBRIDGE
consensual adjective: with the willing agreement of all the people involved

PREFER WEBSTER'S? no problem!
con·sen·su·al adj
1: existing or made by mutual consent without an act of writing <a consensual contract>
2: involving or based on mutual consent <consensual acts>

Now according to the newspaper report, she did give birth to a child (so she might be eligible to go to Heaven). But no mention is made of whether she is a Christian.

Trinity Baptist Church in Concord, N.H.,

She is calling a Baptist Member a liar however and doing so without sufficient evidence, according to The Bible. The only witness she has produced so far says that it was NOT rape. Of course the heathen secularist will side with a woman against a Godly man. The Bible is clear. She must marry him. His evidence alone is acceptable. Hers is not.





@Overseer Didn't you read anything either? Here is Deuteronomy 22 AGAIN

DEUTERONOMY 22 13-29 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

NOTE: the woman (in OP) was NOT MARRIED TO AN HUSBAND

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


It does not seem as if she is following God's Word, does it? THE ALTERNATIVE IS HELL

I don't suppose you read the news item, but it did contain one promising quote:

"It needs to be done. Justice needs to be done," Anderson told the AP

It must have been something of an ordeal for Pastor hearing that apology read out at his church, the thing that had happened to a gentleman of his congregation, the impossibility of fulfilling God's Clear Command that he should marry the girl due to Satan's insinuating his way into the legislative chambers and vomiting up bogus "law" from Hell! That poor man.
God's Law is the only true Law. Jesus tells us that the aberration of demonic secular laws is only temporary.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away : but my words shall not pass away

HALLELUJAH!

[Overseer]

Ok, so you think its ok, I dare everyone here has raped someone to go to the police WITH the person you raped, and both of you tell the police what you done, shall we see who goes to prison? Who is forced to say sorry? I dont give a damn whats written in a 2,000 year old book I live in the present as it was meant, with new times comes new things, and in this case RAPE IS ILLIGAL IN THE EYES OF THE LAW!

So I dare all you rightous men and women who have raped or suffered rape (but deem it ok, or if you have been, do it for your own sake) to go tell the police what happen, see if your God stops you from going to prison!!

I shall go to hell for what i believe, i shall NEVER beat my son, I love him dearly and will never hurt a hair on his head, he is my gift from god and i shall honor gods wishes and protect him from harm, not deal it onto him, I shall also love, cherish and PROTECT the vessel of life that is the women who without we would not carry on. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, in your views i gladly serve time in hell for the love and respect (not fear) of those I care dearly about.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Overseer

i shall NEVER beat my son, I love him dearly and will never hurt a hair on his head, he is my gift from god and i shall honor gods wishes and protect him from harm, not deal it onto him

You seem to be unaware of God's wishes:

Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

[Overseer]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

You seem to be unaware of God's wishes:

Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

I tell my son off if i need to, such actions does not need beatings, i told my son off with a stern voice about messing around with the TV cables, he did not do it again, I told my son off with a stern voice for spitting, he did not do it again, beating was not needed and is never warrented, its abuse plain and simple and I shall NEVER do it,

I was beaten by my mum.. know what happened? I was taken away and adopted, raised nicely no beatings, no pain just love and kindness, and now im a respected person who shows love for all who deserve it, those that do not I dont talk to. Its simple as that.

Your rod is not needed, and shall never be needed to beat my son, he has no sin, he is 4, and no matter what shall never be given a beating by me, and if any man does they better run because i shall avenge my child!!! THATS LOVE!

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Overseer

I tell my son off if i need to, such actions does not need beatings, i told my son off with a stern voice about messing around with the TV cables, he did not do it again, I told my son off with a stern voice for spitting, he did not do it again, beating was not needed and is never warrented, its abuse plain and simple and I shall NEVER do it,

I was beaten by my mum.. know what happened? I was taken away and adopted, raised nicely no beatings, no pain just love and kindness, and now im a respected person who shows love for all who deserve it, those that do not I dont talk to. Its simple as that.

Your rod is not needed, and shall never be needed to beat my son, he has no sin, he is 4, and no matter what shall never be given a beating by me, and if any man does they better run because i shall avenge my child!!! THATS LOVE!

So you hate your child so much that you rather condemn him to Hell for all eternity than to follow God's clear instructions?

And you should be ashamed of talking bad about your poor defenseless mother behind her back. She clearly had your best interest in mind. You are not a respected person, you are a despicable person who will be punished by God for the horrible crimes you committed against your son and your mother.

Colossians 3:20 "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord."

Exodus 20:12 "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."

[Overseer]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

So you hate your child so much that you rather condemn him to Hell for all eternity than to follow God's clear instructions?

And you should be ashamed of talking bad about your poor defenseless mother behind her back. She clearly had your best interest in mind. You are not a respected person, you are a despicable person who will be punished by God for the horrible crimes you committed against your son and your mother.

Colossians 3:20 "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord."

Exodus 20:12 "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."

Well, since she was a lesbian at the time... hmm... kind of back fires on you does it not? But I talk to her now and she has sortd herself out and I have 2 sisters who still live with her, if it had carried on for a month or 2 more I would of died (that is a fact given by medical experts and my own family at the time).

And I love my child with every fibre in my body, THATS why I try my hardest to not hurt him what so ever and never hurt him with my fists, i tell him off if i need to, thats all i need to do, to do anything else is wrong and not humane in any way, no matter who orders it. THATS the world we live in now.

[MisterM]

Originally Posted by Overseer

I have 2 sisters who still live with her, if it had carried on for a month or 2 more I would of died (that is a fact given by medical experts and my own family at the time).

We can really see that devil was on work there. God definitely wanted you to stay there few months more.

You really are full of hate. You hate lesbians too. And then you dare to tell that we are narrow minded. At least you mother tried to make you God fearing boy, but no..you fought back. Satan must be really satisfied.

Repent now and save at least your kid.

[Overseer]

Originally Posted by MisterM

We can really see that devil was on work there. God definitely wanted you to stay there few months more.

You really are full of hate. You hate lesbians too. And then you dare to tell that we are narrow minded. At least you mother tried to make you God fearing boy, but no..you fought back. Satan must be really satisfied.

Repent now and save at least your kid.

I have nothing to repent for, i have done no wrong, and I also have some lesbian mates, so how can i hate lesbians?
I have only hate for those that inflick pain and suffering on others, I respect all that respect all as well, not those that hate apon those that are not the same as them.

I repent for nothing and shall not repent unless I have done wrong till the day I die, my son shall not suffer purly because of this

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

LOVE IT!

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Overseer

you sick idiot

Why are these heathens always so rude and angry? It is because they don't have love of God in their lives.

[MisterM]

Originally Posted by Overseer

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

So you were male servant in Eqypt if this affect you? Anyway this has got nothing to do with the discussion. We are not talking about death sentences here.

I have nothing to repent for, i have done no wrong,

Oh yes you do. You have done almost everything you have told us against God's will.

YiC, Miikkael.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

He hasn't turned out very well, has he? A God mocking Atheistic liberal!

..those that do not I dont talk to. Its simple as that.

except for the one's he's going to attack

..beating.. and if any man does they better run because i shall avenge my child!!!

How tragic that this "Overseer" rejects God's Perfect Love as presented so clearly in The Bible and is bringing his son up a heathen!

Why choose HATE and DEATH when God offers us LIFE?

It is very sad

[nemshadows]

ARE YOU ALL piffleING SERIOUS?! YOU ARE ALL DISGUSTING.

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by realitykid

I feel sorry for you. Have you not seen in the new testament where Jesus did away with the written code known as the old testament laws?

So reality kid if the written laws have been done away with I assume you have must have done away with the Ten Commandments and that your Church or the congregation no longer refer to them? Is that correct?


YiC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by realitykid

I feel sorry for you. Have you not seen in the new testament where Jesus did away with the written code known as the old testament laws?

Colossians 2:14 "having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross." (NIV)

OR

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (KJV)

## irrelevant secularist mumbojumbo deleted ##

God bless.

What a great demonstration of how Satan - just by skewing the grammar - changes the emphasis of God's Word, and completely turns around the meaning of that passage in the demonic NIV.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by nemshadows

ARE YOU ALL piffleING SERIOUS?! YOU ARE ALL DISGUSTING.

Dear Godmocking Whore;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and spreading your legs for anyone with a dollar to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[bobtheripper]

this is so freaking retarded. everybody here seems to think that the girl who GOT RAPED BY SOMEONE should APOLOGIZE!?!?! She was the victim there. rape doesn't mean voluntary intercourse, it means forced, and usually violent unwanted sex.

Personally, i've never heard a story of a GIRL raping the guy. that just doesn't happen. and if she did try to seduce him, it was kind of his fault for giving in to that (he didn't have to)

the girl has every right to go to court with this

oh, and you don't need to be half-dressed to be raped

(it's called getting your clothes stripped from you!!!! yes, they do come off if other people want them to)

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by bobtheripper

this is so freaking retarded. everybody here seems to think that the girl who GOT RAPED BY SOMEONE should APOLOGIZE!?!?! She was the victim there. rape doesn't mean voluntary intercourse, it means forced, and usually violent unwanted sex.

Personally, i've never heard a story of a GIRL raping the guy. that just doesn't happen. and if she did try to seduce him, it was kind of his fault for giving in to that (he didn't have to)

So essentially you are saying it is always the fault of the man and never of the woman no matter what she does? That is rather sexist of you!