[Cursed]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Ms. MitzaLizalor, your charity in taking time out of your busy day to respond to my misinformed chittering is humbling.

To inhabit the same thread as you has truly been a remarkable experience... to garner an eloquent reply from you is more than I ever dreamed of. To receive an actual Bible lesson from you? Well, my heart swells with gratitude.

Thank you for your magnificent correction.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

I am only posting what The Bible says (replete with typos!) and don't offer any sort of opinion or instruction. But thank you for your kind words.

However if you desire more explicit teaching the Pastoral team do have various classes available and would be happy for you to come along.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

I was pleased to read that Christians, as a group, are not making their buildings handicapped accessible.

Though there are many "Christian" groups that are liberal and might be vulnerable to the propaganda about "equal access" and "equal opportunity," most are not offering this garbage. Kuddos to Christians near and far. God does not want the handicapped in His church, and, we don't either.


During Disability Pride, Religious institutions still behind on accessibility (religionnews.com)

[handmaiden]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

I was pleased to read that Christians, as a group, are not making their buildings handicapped accessible.

Though there are many "Christian" groups that are liberal and might be vulnerable to the propaganda about "equal access" and "equal opportunity," most are not offering this garbage. Kuddos to Christians near and far. God does not want the handicapped in His church, and, we don't either.


During Disability Pride, Religious institutions still behind on accessibility (religionnews.com)

Considering how much time and effort Jesus put forth to heal the "disabled"* (though I guess it was actually easy for Him since He is God.) you would think more people would understand that remaining blind, or deaf or lame while claiming to believe in Jesus is a damning condemnation of one's faith.

There's a reason that you are stuck with your condition, folks! God would heal you if you believed fervently enough.


Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Philippians 4:13

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

* How is it that you can read the word, "crippled" in the Bible, but people get all up in arms, (including those without arms) about using that word to describe people who can't walk and do other stuff?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Considering how much time and effort Jesus put forth to heal the "disabled" (though I guess it was actually easy for Him since He is God) you would think more people would understand that remaining blind, or deaf or lame while claiming to believe in Jesus is a damning condemnation of one's faith.

Not only do they want to remove hymns challenging their unbelief, they consider Scripture to be harmful! Jesus explained that He was returning to Heaven but that Christians would inherit His mantle. There was a precedent for that, Elisha taking over from Elijah when the latter also rose aloft.

II Kings 2:7-8, 11-13 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground … And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan

FIFTY WITNESSES! This is one way we know where Heaven is. Elijah did return to earth at one point, not as a hindoo reincarnation but as himself. Moses likewise. How would that be possible if they were not alive?

Matthew 17:2-3 [Jesus] was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias [Greek spelling of Elijah] talking with him.

There were three witnesses to that but more important is the healing power available to believers. Scripture records so many examples as well as promises on this that to think otherwise really would involve dismissing Biblical accounts as false.

II Kings 13:20-21 And Elisha died, and they buried him. And the bands of the Moabites invaded the land at the coming in of the year. And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

During Disability Pride, Religious institutions still behind on accessibility (religionnews.com)

ableist barriers show up in liturgy and language. “Just think of ‘Amazing Grace’ — ‘I once was blind, but now I see,’”

“scriptural texts that think about disability as demonic have been really harmful to a lot of people.”

That last one from gendernonspecific Bishop Rohrer stands against everything taught by Jesus on affliction and the distinction between demonic possession and illness. Perhaps ignorant fishermen or deluded scribes knew no better but Jesus made the universe! Well, that's in The Bible too so who knows? Maybe that's gone out the window too. As for the lovely hymn, so encouraging for so many people, blindness really is an impairment. It needs healing.

Luke 7:21-22 And in that same hour he [Jesus] cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Acts 5:12a, 15-16 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people … And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Acts 8:5-8 Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. And there was great joy in that city.

Jesus promised that whatever He could do was less than what believers would do after He returned to Heaven. How come? By the authority handed down to Christians after His resurrection. But that's not all He said. There's something else, something very important for fake bishops to remember.

Luke 7:21-23 [Jesus speaking] And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

What would that look like? If believers cannot heal the blind and palsied, can't get rid of demons or restore mobility yet are able to do more than Jesus, what could Jesus do? Less than nothing? That must be the claim and anyone taking offence at Christ's Promises who preaches His words as nonsense or Scriptures as harmful know they are lying. Either they're lying about God's message (having studied in order to become a bishop, one would assume) or they're lying about knowledge of the message itself. If they've made up something else, why not say so?

But then I suppose they'd have to get a real job.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

I am a firm believer in God. If He wants a person to be part of His Divinity, He will make it so. I have witnessed Him making the infirm walk, the blind see, the deaf hear and the stupid be smart.
So fifty steep steps of polished pink marble are no hindrance to the worthy.
Special accommodations are degrading and mock the worthless.


Ladies, copious amounts of baby powder does not alleviate 'that smell'. Please go elsewhere on Sundays if you 'have the stink'. You know who you are, you sit right in front of me.

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

My church in Council Bluffs has stairs everywhere (yes, I am a pastor), no way for cripples to get up there. Masked, vaccinated and ill people are not allowed and never will be. The sign says "GET HEALED OR GET OUT". The Democratic agnostic mayor tried to sue me already ("Reverend Stanford, you are violating the hate speech laws, and we ask you to close this church if you refuse to change your laws"), but I rebuked him and told him to repent (I believe he also was left handed, but I am not sure). He then wept and shot himself. He sadly is burning in hell now. So sad, I could have invited him to Chick Fil A and preached about Jesus, but he loved darkness more than light. It really broke my heart, because he was a nice guy, but on the other hand, it may have been right, since Jesus wasn't what we consider nice.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

My church in Council Bluffs has stairs everywhere (yes, I am a pastor), no way for cripples to get up there. Masked, vaccinated and ill people are not allowed and never will be. The sign says "GET HEALED OR GET OUT". The Democratic agnostic mayor tried to sue me already ("Reverend Stanford, you are violating the hate speech laws, and we ask you to close this church if you refuse to change your laws"), but I rebuked him and told him to repent (I believe he also was left handed, but I am not sure). He then wept and shot himself. He sadly is burning in hell now. :thumbdown: So sad, I could have invited him to Chick Fil A and preached about Jesus, but he loved darkness more than light. It really broke my heart, because he was a nice guy, but on the other hand, it may have been right, since Jesus wasn't what we consider nice.

Certainly agnostics' deeds are evil. They claim God has no knowledge of what occurs in the world, even that we have no knowledge of Him. What was it then that came into the world as Light shining in the darkness? Certainly, darkness is agnostic; it has no light by which to comprehend anything and therefore no way of knowing what God is. Persons identifying as agnostic are admitting there's no way to distinguish love from hate, other than according to homespun paradigms subject to the whims and fancies of every passing fad. They fumble around not knowing whether they hate or love one another, have no idea where they're going, then get a surprise when they fall off a cliff! Christians discern the difference by accepting Christ's life as a beacon of understanding.

I John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

That is one big impairment. Am I being ableist? No. Take the instance of a person born blind (with cataracts, say) whose affliction is overcome later in life.

Although it is nearly 300 years since Molyneux posed his celebrated query, interest in the problem of recovery of vision after early and long-standing blindness is of comparatively recent origin. In 1932, Dr. M. von Senden carefully reviewed the literature on the perception of space and shape in the congenitally blind before and after operation and arrived at some important conclusions. In particular, he stressed the slow, laborious and imperfect way in which the perception of form is acquired by these patients and their liability to emotional “crises” as they come to discover the true extent of their disability as sighted persons.

http://www.richardgregory.org/papers...-blindness.pdf †

Note the last sentence: emotional “crises” as they come to discover the true extent of their disability as sighted persons. That means the dawning comprehension, now as a sighted person, of how great their disability had been when they were blind. Education in this arena in very difficult. At each step (in learning how to interpret visual data for elements such as perspective, motion, height, size) as the next objective is attained it not only becomes evident how great a boon this is but how disadvantaged they had been without it. Restoration of sight is thus a two-stage process, the second being much more difficult than the first. Jesus knew that and that's why His message is not ableist.

Mark 8:22-25 And he [Jesus] cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

From time to time a catholic church will close. How would your congregation feel about getting hold of the confessional to install at the foot of the stairs as a healing kiosk? The Gospel could be presented, healing offered and upon deliverance climbing the stairs would be a joy. For those rejecting Him, well they wouldn't want to go inside anyway.

______________________________

† There are fairly thorough details provided in the pdf for anyone interested. My quotes are from the Foreword on page 2. Educational aspects are covered in section 3(3) on page 19 at the point of testing rather than preparation for the tests. Demonic occupation is not covered as a cause of blindness and obviously would not be amenable to surgery. Matthew 12:22

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Special accommodations are degrading and mock the worthless.

Brother this is a profound statement. It reminds me how Democrats are the real racists because they make special accommodations for those they consider inferior. How patronizing! Let a man stand on his own two feet, or in a heap if crippled, so he can claim his dignity.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Though there are many "Christian" groups that are liberal and might be vulnerable to the propaganda about "equal access" and "equal opportunity"

Great reasoning Mr. Mayor. The "Equal Rights" brigade will be only to pleased to ram their mission home through the gaping hole left behind after giving access to retards, if we show just the tiniest crack. Keep it shut tight as a clam's... a clam's... a clam's you-know-very-well-what. A clam. Shut tight.

Not to mention, when the time comes we need 200 million horsemen not 200 million drooling cabbages in puddles of their own urine. Not everyone can be above average but that's where I would draw the line for new members.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Jesus knew that people suffering from affliction may wish to remain as they are. Whether from alms-gathering or government welfare very often a good living can be had; from The Man with the Twisted Lip, well researched by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle:

“I travelled in my youth, took to the stage, and finally became a reporter on an evening paper in London. One day my editor wished to have a series of articles upon begging in the metropolis, and I volunteered to supply them. There was the point from which all my adventures started. It was only by trying begging as an amateur that I could get the facts upon which to base my articles. When an actor I had, of course, learned all the secrets of making up, and had been famous in the green-room for my skill. I took advantage now of my attainments. I painted my face, and to make myself as pitiable as possible I made a good scar and fixed one side of my lip in a twist by the aid of a small slip of flesh-coloured plaster. Then with a red head of hair, and an appropriate dress, I took my station in the business part of the city, ostensibly as a match-seller but really as a beggar. For seven hours I plied my trade, and when I returned home in the evening I found to my surprise that I had received no less than 26s. 4d.
“I wrote my articles and thought little more of the matter until, some time later, I backed a bill for a friend and had a writ served upon me for £25. I was at my wit’s end where to get the money, but a sudden idea came to me. I begged a fortnight’s grace from the creditor, asked for a holiday from my employers, and spent the time in begging in the City under my disguise. In ten days I had the money and had paid the debt.
“Well, you can imagine how hard it was to settle down to arduous work at £2 a week when I knew that I could earn as much in a day by smearing my face with a little paint, laying my cap on the ground, and sitting still. It was a long fight between my pride and the money, but the dollars won at last..”

Many who've been depleted of local currency but possessing an accordion can attest to this. Evidently very little time is needed, an hour say, to fund the most extravagant farewell purchases. Positioned outside an up-market department store, playing suitable airs (Schubert's "Trout" quintet augmented with facial expressions, say) the loot simply pours in! They probably think you're mental but hey! you'll be on a different continent tomorrow, as Christ well knew.

Compassion always benefits from understanding the broader canvas.

https://sherlock-holm.es/stories/pdf...sided/twis.pdf

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Jesus knew that people suffering from affliction may wish to remain as they are.

Many who've been depleted of local currency but possessing an accordion can attest to this. Evidently very little time is needed, an hour say, to fund the most extravagant farewell purchases.

We've all seen it, the guy walks pushing his wheel chair into a busy space. Then, he puts his hat on the floor in front and sits in the wheel chair. Maybe adds some accordion or a violin. He might have a sign, "Veteran."

My compliant with these imposters is the cash they collect should go to Landover Baptist.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

The Americans With Disabilities Act is one more example of an intrusive nanny state telling everyone what to do. We need to get rid of this communist law now.

Anyway, why should we build handicapped access to our church buildings? We wouldn't allow handicapped people inside even if they could get there.

Handicapped people don't need special treatment. They need a good faith healing.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever.

Anyway, why should we build handicapped access to our church buildings? We wouldn't allow handicapped people inside even if they could get there.

Brother, all this equality nonsense is one way. We don't trouble the retarteds in their tent encampments, sewers, etc. so why should they be allowed to come into our world and ruin it for us?