[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: I don't need drugs or doctors.

Anytime I am sick, I just pray. I have lived almost 60 years so far. I am a living testament to why we don't need medicine. We need prayer. I propose that medical schools should replace all those heathen "medical skill" teachings and teach prayer. No dumb doctor will ever lay a papist hand on me! I am healthy and it's all because I PRAY TO JESUS CHRIST AND GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

You can stick your head out of the dark ages now. It's pretty nice out here.

What about those who pray and still fall sick?
It's not that simple. I've never prayed a day in my life and I've never even had a cold. Working out and eating healthy works a lot better. Most people get sick and it just runs its course eventually. They don't need to go see a doctor or pray. However, I'd like to see you try that prayer trick without going to the doctor if you ever get cancer instead of a case of the sniffles. That's probably because the only ailments you've had have been the common cold, flu, a few cuts or burns, and mild infections that the body can fight off by itself such as UTIs and ear infections. You may be physically healthy, but your rant indicates that you are not psychologically healthy. Perhaps you should try praying for mental health. Good luck for when you get cancer or organ failure. I'd love to see how far praying gets you.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I don't need drugs or doctors.

What about those who pray and still fall sick?

They clearly do not deserve to be healed. Probably because they refuse to properly worship Jesus Christ. It's always their mistake, never God's. Everything bad that happens to someone is well deserved punishment for their wrongdoings.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: I don't need drugs or doctors.

They clearly do not deserve to be healed. Probably because they refuse to properly worship Jesus Christ. It's always their mistake, never God's. Everything bad that happens to someone is well deserved punishment for their wrongdoings.

If there was any evidence prayer could change things, more people would be praying. In your world that means everyone is guilty. Who is the judge here? Their is power in prayer. Negative thoughts will bring negative results even in prayer. If we are to agree that bad things happen to people that deserve it, then the line for bad things to happen to people is going to get very long. Bad things happen to good people. Clearly you have been mislead if you believe all bad things are punishment. A tornado hits a house, the family survives, was that then Gods fault? Or a natural weather phenomena? You say but God could of moved the tornado around the house. Maybe God wants the family to move? All things work for the greater good. When Jesus died on the cross, he said "It is finished" you can not do anything to earn your own salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the only way to be saved. There are people in the world who had cancer. I assure you they did not say a single prayer. They were healed thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, using methods devised by man. Not by fairies, not by goblins, not by god. By humans. You sir, are a mormon. I hope you get badly ill one day. Don't go to the hospital though, pray to god. See how far it gets you. Nowhere, obviously.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I don't need drugs or doctors.

If there was any evidence prayer could change things, more people would be praying.

The Bible is filled with eyewitness reports of people having success with praying. That you are ignoring the evidence doesn't mean there is no evidence.

In your world that means everyone is guilty. Who is the judge here?

God of course.

Bad things happen to good people.

That never happens. If they would have been good people, nothing bad would have happened.

A tornado hits a house, the family survives, was that then Gods fault?

No. God never makes mistakes (Psalm 139:2-6).

you can not do anything to earn your own salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the only way to be saved

You are contradicting yourself here. Having faith in Jesus is doing something. Actually it is doing the most important thing you can ever do.

They were healed thanks to the miracle of modern medicine

No. God created modern medicine so they were healed thanks to God.