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Default Jesus forgave - 03-23-2010, 02:27 PM

Hello folks, I´m new on this forum so I will introduce myself.
I´m Jerry and I first learned about Jesus at school when I was very young. The main thing I like about him is forgiveness, because there´s no use in resentment and revenge is the plague of modern times.
Unfortunately Jesus was killed by people who followed their holy book to the letter. I know God and his son are very unpleased to see that some people keep on doing that nowadays with his book. God has never written a book himself, but he selected some people tot do it for him, by showing them his wisdom. Unfortunately this resulted in a number of flaws in the book, because all people make mistakes. Therefore it is important to allways keep considering that keeping people from suffering is the main intent.
Wish you all the wisdom you need!
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this resulted in a number of flaws in the book
Of course not! The KJV1611 Holy Bible is perfect. God says so Himself: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Why do you think God, who created everything, would not be capable of assuring His Holy Bible is without mistakes?


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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-23-2010, 06:10 PM

Hello Mister,
So you are saying that all people (who god created) are perfect?
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So you are saying that all people (who god created) are perfect?
God creates everything perfectly. However, God also creates evil. He purposefully creates people to be evil, just so He can send them to Hell:

Romans 9: 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

2 Th.2:11-12 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.

Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.

Proverbs 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-23-2010, 06:41 PM

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Of course not! The KJV1611 Holy Bible is perfect. God says so Himself: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Why do you think God, who created everything, would not be capable of assuring His Holy Bible is without mistakes?
Here we go again. Taking books by the letter resulted in the death of Jesus Christ and it was the sin that he refered to in his final moments. But he said `Forgive them Father for they know not what they do`. So to all you people who take books by the letter so you don´t have to think for yourselves: You are forgiven for you know not what you do!
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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-23-2010, 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=Heathen_Basher;490616]God creates everything perfectly. However, God also creates evil. He purposefully creates people to be evil, just so He can send them to Hell.


Where´s the use in that!?
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Where´s the use in that!?
What makes you think you have a right to know why God wants to cast sinners into eternal torture instead of just letting them stay dead?

Before Jesus, God liked animal sacrifices, for the sweet smell of burning flesh. Maybe He wants to smell burning flesh for all eternity.


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God creates everything perfectly. However, God also creates evil. He purposefully creates people to be evil, just so He can send them to Hell.


Where´s the use in that!?
God works in mysterious ways. I posted what the Bible says.

2 Kings 6:33 Behold, this evil is of the Lord.

Isaiah 45:7 I ... create evil.

Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
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God works in mysterious ways. I posted what the Bible says.

2 Kings 6:33 Behold, this evil is of the Lord.

Isaiah 45:7 I ... create evil.

Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
You´re kind of proving my point here. Cranky old man said God created everything and you even say God creates evil deliberately. So He´s creating evil people himself and then He punishes them for the evil in them wich God created himself!? And you don´t see how crazy that is?
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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-26-2010, 10:16 AM

The ones who murdered Jesus Christ weren't Christians, but polytheistic Romans.

At least know what you're talking about, child.

It's true that there are "Christians" out there who talk about "metaphorically" washing in the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, but this does not follow from the Bible at all. If they followed the Bible, they wouldn't engage in savage rituals.

Do not be confused, they aren't True Christians like us.


I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.
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Cranky old man said God created everything and you even say God creates evil deliberately. So He´s creating evil people himself and then He punishes them for the evil in them wich God created himself!? And you don´t see how crazy that is?
There is nothing crazy about that. It's just how God did it. Many people ignore huge parts of the Holy Bible and somehow convince themselves God is some fluffy blue muppet. He is not! He can be very very tough. If you bothered to stop masturbating for a while and started to read the entire Holy Bible instead you would learn a lot about this.


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OK, I see you people are way too indoctrinated to see any sense in life. I´m really sorry for you, because life can actually be very good. You try to scare people with eternal burning in hell and things like that, but you have nothing speaking for you except a book that can be written by anyone. It would be the same if someone finds a Harry Potter book 2000 years from now and believes everyting it says. I think you people just miss some needful brain cells to be able to live your life without a book, wich is actually nothing more than a piece of paper and ink completely made my people. Wat you call God is just te interaction of energy and matter and it has no mind of its own, it´s what normal people call nature. Everything that lives has a mind and feelings and there´s no ´God´ involved, so please be sane and act to that knowledge!
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I´m really sorry for you, because life can actually be very good.
Live is very good. I assure you I have an excellent life. I have a nice house, a great wife and a lot of great sons and grandsons and we all love each other almost as much as we love Jesus.

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Are you scared of falling from great heights? Are you afraid of being killed by a car? Where your parents wrong to make those things scary to you? No, I didn't think so. So why is warning people for the eternal fires of hell any different?

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We humble people have limited capabilities. If you really read the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible you will notice it is so perfect, so extremely consistent, so crystal clear, that no ordinary person could ever have written it. So the sheer quality of the book proves that it is written by someone with capabilities far beyond that of a human being.

Since the Holy Bible clearly could not have been written by a mere mortal and also clearly states to be the word of God: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" logic dictates there can be only one conclusion. God exists and the Holy Bible is His word!

I think your problem is that you did not actually read the entire Holy Bible. Your opinion of the Holy Bible is based on hearsay. If you actually paid some attention during that education of yours you would have learned that you have to research the facts before you draw your conclusion. The facts here being the contents of the Holy Bible.

Well what is it going to be? Ignorance or enlightenment?


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Are you scared of falling from great heights? Are you afraid of being killed by a car? Where your parents wrong to make those things scary to you? No, I didn't think so. So why is warning people for the eternal fires of hell any different?
My parents never made anything scary to me, who said so? I found out about danger myself, like all sane, normal functioning people do. When normal people look 100 metres down from a cliff they just know not to jump, because you won´t survive. Clearly you had to be told about those things and that proves my point that your brain isn´t funtioning very well.

And about the perfection of te bible: Have you seen the new Ferrari 458? It´s just perfect! and it´s completely made by men! and so are a lot of things that are way more difficult to make than a book, no matter what it says. Sorry to inform you, but you´re just living an illusion.
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You´re kind of proving my point here. Cranky old man said God created everything and you even say God creates evil deliberately. So He´s creating evil people himself and then He punishes them for the evil in them wich God created himself!? And you don´t see how crazy that is?
We are NOT allowed to question God!

Romans 9:17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?
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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-26-2010, 05:21 PM

I don´t know who translated this for you, but it was very poorly done. The actual bible wasn´t written in English, but in Hebrew you know. As a Hebrew student with Israeli forefathers I know that the original Hebrew version says something completely different.
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Default Re: Jesus forgave - 03-26-2010, 05:31 PM

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I don´t know who translated this for you, but it was very poorly done. The actual bible wasn´t written in English, but in Hebrew you know. As a Hebrew student with Israeli forefathers I know that the original Hebrew version says something completely different.
With whom are you attempting to converse? I hope it wasn't with Brother B, because you would be saying that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrews.

Is that your contention?


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My parents never made anything scary to me, who said so? I found out about danger myself, like all sane, normal functioning people do. When normal people look 100 metres down from a cliff they just know not to jump, because you won´t survive. Clearly you had to be told about those things and that proves my point that your brain isn´t funtioning very well.

And about the perfection of te bible: Have you seen the new Ferrari 458? It´s just perfect! and it´s completely made by men! and so are a lot of things that are way more difficult to make than a book, no matter what it says. Sorry to inform you, but you´re just living an illusion.
I am sorry to hear your parents took no interest in you and failed to teach you about the world. It certainly explains why you are so bitter.
My parents told me to be careful. They explained about hot stoves, sharp knives. They told me it was unsafe to run with scissors. My parents taught me these and many more things because they love me. Jesus taught me many things too, for the same reason. He taught me to be good, that the reward for being good during my life here on earth would be an eternity of happiness in heaven, a really sweet deal.
But my parents and Jesus cannot protect me from anything, they can only guide. My parents did it with notes in my Billy Graham lunch box, Jesus did it with His Bible. Neither can protect me due to the gift of free will. Free will by itself is pointless unless there are choices to make. Right choices and wrong choices. I am amazed you want to make the wrong choice, just to learn. If you'd listen to those around you, you could make the right choice instead. Son, read the Bible, learn from the stories in it. It might just save your life.

By the way, the 458 is state of the art, not perfection. Big difference. Trust me, I have a few older Enzo masterpeices stashed in the barn. Each was state of the art at a point in time. The human being on the other hand, has not needed any modification since God created. Think about it.


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I don´t know who translated this for you, but it was very poorly done. The actual bible wasn´t written in English, but in Hebrew you know. As a Hebrew student with Israeli forefathers I know that the original Hebrew version says something completely different.
Which is exactly why you have to use the only correct version of the Holy Bible. Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.


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I don´t know who translated this for you, but it was very poorly done. The actual bible wasn´t written in English, but in Hebrew you know. As a Hebrew student with Israeli forefathers I know that the original Hebrew version says something completely different.
Oh really, so you read Romans 9 in Hebrew, did you? Funnily enough, I do believe that book is in the NEW TESTAMENT, which was written in GREEK not Hebrew. Why are you lying on this forum, son? God hates that.

But please, go ahead, since you believe it is a mistranslation, tell us all what it really says. Explain to us your vast knowledge that exceeds every English language Bible scholar of all time. I simply need to know. Be careful though, I am able to check up on what you say. I may not yet be fluent in Ancient Greek, but I'm sure I know more than you supposedly know Hebrew
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