[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I can just see Saint Peter looking at the soul of a child who died half a minute too late to count as an infant. Say because a medic was keeping them alive for a bit longer.

"Sorry kid, you're one minute late. Tough luck, pity your dad spooged early, enjoy burning in hell."

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

God punishes kids from little age, and even unborn. That is a proven fact in the Bible. 42 kids were massacred by bears because they made fun of a bold man. And He could have chosen a peaceful death while they were sleeping, but no, He chose one of the most horrible ways of dying. For little kids. Why?
And if you go and talk with people from Amalek, will know that even the unborn are condemned. God sent the israelis to open the wombs of pregnant women and kill the fetuses. Yes, He did.
So kids do not have an automatic salvation. No, that was invented by the Catholics to offer comfort to pagans, who did not want to think their dead babies were being tormented in Hell for an eternity.
If babies were going to Heaven, Heaven would.be populated more with infants than adults, because mortality was high until a century ago or so.
The only way to Heaven is by accepting the Lord as your savior. It is the one and only way, accepting Him as He is. You need.to know how to read, read the Bible, consciously decide this is the way, and going forward no matter what.


Hint: you cannot talk with people from Amalek or their descendants. They were all massacred. No survivors, no babies, no fetuses, even the animals were killed.




If you keep saying this a Calvinist idea, you don't understand anything. Which, in turn, makes me wonder why God has decided to punish you with a weak mind and the inability of connecting two things together. And of course, why on Earth He created a male ballet dancer instead of a football player, but I am not to question the ways of otrur Lord.

Because it is a calvinist idea

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

So when exactly does one stop being an infant? If a one-year-old dies, according to you, it will go to Heaven because it is too young. Most people consider a person to stop being a baby once they turn three. So would a three-year-old who rejects Christ go to Hell? Are they that much more capable of understanding the scriptures than their infantile comrades? They're really not, so shouldn't they get a pass too? If a three-year-old automatically goes to Heaven, even though they're not technically a baby, then where is the cutoff? Would a five-year-old-automatically get into Heaven? A ten-year-old? Most teenagers are pretty dumb, do they automatically go to Heaven?

Let's say the cutoff is three, because you've explicitly said that only infant damnation is false. So, there's a 24-month-old baby that's about to turn three. If it dies on the day before its third birthday, it automatically gets into Heaven, right? But if it dies the next day, it will be damned straight to Hell. And that's not even accounting for time zones and leap years. By your logic, we need to be passing laws to require children's hospitals to euthanize terminally ill two-year-olds the day before their third birthdays as an act of mercy.

No, this is much too confusing to think about. That's why I put my faith in God and the Bible. Age is no excuse for denying Christ, and a one-year-old sinner will be damned the same as a 100-year-old sinner.

A kid stops being an infant at age 5 or later

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I can just see Saint Peter looking at the soul of a child who died half a minute too late to count as an infant. Say because a medic was keeping them alive for a bit longer.

"Sorry kid, you're one minute late. Tough luck, pity your dad spooged early, enjoy burning in hell."

He would still be innocent because he wouldnt know of concepts about salvation or sin

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

He would still be innocent because he wouldnt know of concepts about salvation or sin

Even if he's three seconds past 89 years old?

I'm asking where you draw the line.

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

Even if he's three seconds past 89 years old?

I'm asking where you draw the line.

Now I'd hes 89 then yes he will go to hell then because he knows right from wrong!


I draw the line at age...8 by that time kids should be aware of sin

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I draw the line at age...8 by that time kids should be aware of sin

Aha! YOU draw the line. So you think you are God. Just like all pick-and-choose "Christians".

And as God, you are willing to eternally torture a child who is 8 years and one second old, while giving some major survivor guilt to his twin sibling who is 7 years, 11 months, 29 days, 23 hours, and 59 seconds old.

Because they "Should" be aware of sin. Do you account for differing levels of IQ and education, Mr. God?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

And if our 8 years and 1 second-year old shows loyalty to his parents, who teach him sinful ways? Will you eternally torture an 8 year old for being an obedient, trusting family member?

This is not a "gotcha" I really want to know exactly what your policy is, Mr. God.

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

Aha! YOU draw the line. So you think you are God. Just like all pick-and-choose "Christians".

And as God, you are willing to eternally torture a child who is 8 years and one second old, while giving some major survivor guilt to his twin sibling who is 7 years, 11 months, 29 days, 23 hours, and 59 seconds old.

Because they "Should" be aware of sin. Do you account for differing levels of IQ and education, Mr. God?

I'm not saying Im god. I worded that poorly. I was referring to God not myself the reason why I ssid I is because I meant to say that I think that he draws the line. Sorry for the mixup

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

And if our 8 years and 1 second-year old shows loyalty to his parents, who teach him sinful ways? Will you eternally torture an 8 year old for being an obedient, trusting family member?

This is not a "gotcha" I really want to know exactly what your policy is, Mr. God.

At least starting around 9 or 10 people start to be guilty of sin. Trust me their are 9 year olds and up you have straight up murdered in the past and are in hell. But below that and infants are innocent because they dont commit stuff like that.

[DolliMoans]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

Before she was taken by a tornado, my youngest daughter Lysol used to kill puppies all the time with rocks. As a mother, all I could do was watch and hope she'd move on past that tom-boy phase. My deceased husband, Mr. Moans was too sissy to lay a hand on her supple rump and right her wrong. And then, God sent a tornado to sucketh Lysol away.

Nahum 1:3

3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked:
The Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of his feet.

And now, even I know my little girl and husband are burning in Hell together right now.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

At least starting around 9 or 10 people start to be guilty of sin. Trust me their are 9 year olds and up you have straight up murdered in the past and are in hell. But below that and infants are innocent because they dont commit stuff like that.

So what is it?
5?
8 or 9?
10?

Does 10 include 10⅘? ⅚? ⅞? Where do you start counting from? First breath?

What happens if you're Chinese? Do you suddenly become a Buddhist at 11? What happens if one parent is a Confucianist?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I'm not saying Im god. I worded that poorly.

You worded it perfectly. Freudian slips/gaffes tend to be that way. You accidentally told the truth.

I worded things poorly, I should have said that you think God is your Yes-man.

OneFailure: I think that the mysterious and eternal policies of the Creator and Ruler of the Entire Universe by some coincidence perfectly align with the fads of my time period and the whims of my social circle.
Creator and Ruler of the Entire Universe: Yes boss! You're a genius, boss!

I meant to say that I think that he draws the line.

Traces the line. Photocopies the line. Copy and Pastes the line.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

At least starting around 9 or 10 people start to be guilty of sin. Trust me their are 9 year olds and up you have straight up murdered in the past and are in hell. But below that and infants are innocent because they dont commit stuff like that.

Maybe God should have consulted with you instead of Abraham before destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, seeing as you seem to know His mind so well.

When Abraham found out God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he said:

Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

And God eventually agreed:

Gen 18:32b I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Yet we all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Gen 19:24-25
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Do you want us to believe there weren't at least 10 children under the age of 10 in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? If children under the age of 10 are innocent in God's eyes, He would have spared those cities. Or sent His angels to save them along with Lot and his family. Yet God could not find 10 righteous. All the native inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were wicked. They all got barbecued. Even the babies.

And there was the time God killed King David's baby, even after He had forgiven him ("put away his sin").

2 Sam 2:13-15, 18a
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
[. . .]
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.

If God was willing to punish David's baby for David's sin even after He'd forgiven David, why would He bat an eyelid over punishing a baby for its own sin of not being perfect?

You're still thinking of sin as doing really bad things, like murder. Sin is failing to be perfect.

Mt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you think children under the age of 10 are perfect?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who seek to understand the universe and conform their behavior to deal with it, and people who expect the universe to conform to them.

Say what you will about Islamic fundamentalists, at least they conform to facts. Their "facts" may be the dark-age rantings of savages, but at least they'e not narcissistic enough to believe that the creator of the universe will be the back-up singer for their every brainfart.